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  1. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    Except the CC is a dead branch. Just try watering this church. They can't receive instruction. Sorry. It's a good thing God has left a few Christians, or there wouldn't be a church.
  2. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    Are you saying Calvinists are liars and murderers and immoral and the like. Or they support and approve such things? I didn't know that.
  3. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    To me the parable of the sower is about trust. Do we trust the Lord or do we fall away from his teachings when we are tempted? Do we let the cares and pleasures of this world choke his word so that his word proves unfruitful? Or do we hold his word in an honest and good heart, and bear the fruit...
  4. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    No to your question. The parable is about hearing and understanding and the heart. A person with a good heart bears fruit. The fruit of the Spirit - peace, love, hope, faith.
  5. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    God gives us a spirit of understanding so that we can read the Bible and understand and be born again. So hearing with a believing heart comes first. The one on the rock is the man who has no depth of understanding. He probably doesn't even understand this parable. When he hears the word of...
  6. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    I guess it's just God's plan to separate the wheat from the chaff. Jesus said temptation is necessary. Matthew 18:7 “Woe to the world for temptations to sin! For it is necessary that temptations come, but woe to the man by whom the temptation comes! Abraham was tested. Even Jesus was tested...
  7. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    Of course you have to believe to be saved. But this is the man who falls away when he is tempted. My only question is was he saved before he fell away? He who doesn't understand the word, the devil snatches away what is sown lest they should believe and be saved. He who has no depth of...
  8. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    So how can they be saved before they are tested? The ones on the rock believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. The parable says because they have no root. So when they are tested, they fall away. So how can you say they were already saved before any testing? Or saved for a while...
  9. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    God does not save for a while. Where in the entire Bible is anyone saved for a while? Believe for a while, Yes. Endure for a while, Yes. Saved for a while, No. Saved for a while is an oxymoron.
  10. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    Luke says they believe for a while. Luke doesn't say they were saved for a while. Do you see the words saved for a while? Matthew says he hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while. He doesn't say anything about being saved for a...
  11. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    Matthew 13:4-6 Revised Standard Version (RSV) 4 And as he sowed, some seeds fell along the path, and the birds came and devoured them. 5 Other seeds fell on rocky ground, where they had not much soil, and immediately they sprang up, since they had no depth of soil, 6 but when the sun rose they...
  12. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    I agree those who believe will be saved. But Luke says the ones on the rock have no root. Luke 8:13 And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy; but these have no root, they believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. If they have no root...
  13. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    When we were headed for the pit, God saved us. When we were still sinners, he rescued us. So in the context of Titus, what we were before our Lord appeared and what he did by his appearing, it's quite appropriate to say God our Savior saved us. It's also appropriate in other contexts to say...
  14. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    Not necessarily. Jesus said many will fall away. So a person isn't necessarily saved when he first believes. He has to be taught the word of God, and he has to be born again and he has to receive the Spirit. And he has to continue in his word. John 8:31 Jesus then said to the Jews who had...
  15. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    To fall away is to abandon, to depart from, to go away from, to draw back as in 'After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him.' John 6: 60 IOW they didn't stick with him. They were certainly not saved. So how can you say only a saved person can 'fall away'...
  16. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    To fall away is to stop following him. Jesus had many followers. They all fell away except for the 12. John 6:66-68 Revised Standard Version (RSV) 66 After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him. 67 Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also wish to go away?” 68...
  17. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    If a person has to endure to the end to be saved, then how can he be saved if he falls away before the end? How can you say 'Fall away refers to a saved person departing from Christ.' if he isn't saved?
  18. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    The man had a hundred sheep but one became lost, so the man left the 99 to search for the sheep who was lost. This is about the love the shepherd has for his sheep, especially the ones who need him. ie. sinners. So there is more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over 99 righteous...
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