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    A Person is Justified by Works and not by Faith Alone

    No where else is it mentioned in Scripture with faith saving us from anything else. Saving someone from hypocrisy is frankly a rather shallow and silly argument (not making a statement about yourself, just the argument). You also assume that James doesn't reference saving faith once...
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    A Person is Justified by Works and not by Faith Alone

    Perhaps we need a closer look at the text again. What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,”...
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    A Person is Justified by Works and not by Faith Alone

    You have yet to substantiate within the particular context of James 2 how hypocrisy is central to the issue being discussed. It is never mentioned at all. Nor is this concept of "salvation from hypocrisy." That person is saved from hypocrisy by works and not just by faith alone. Doesn't that...
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    A Person is Justified by Works and not by Faith Alone

    Where else is the word justified used in regards to others and not God? So Abraham would not withhold his son from an angel? "for now I know that you fear God, since you have notwithheld your son, your only son, from Me.” (NASB) This fails to notice that often the "angel of the Lord" speaks...
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    A Person is Justified by Works and not by Faith Alone

    How then does this text say that a person is not justified by faith alone, but also by works? You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. James 2:24 (ESV) Perhaps this will help. 1) What are the works Paul is referencing? 2) What does justification mean?
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    A Person is Justified by Works and not by Faith Alone

    Just read every word of it and responded.
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    A Person is Justified by Works and not by Faith Alone

    The areas that I find lacking in this evaluation are here below. 1) Why does James use the word "justified" the same as Paul, which is only used in this context in regards to a judgment rendered by God? (See James 2:24) 2) Why does James refer to the story of Abraham's works being validated...
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    A Person is Justified by Works and not by Faith Alone

    Apparently God wanted it demonstrated through his works. He said, “Do not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him, for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only son, from me.” Genesis 22:12 (ESV) It was then on this basis that God blessed Abraham...
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    A Person is Justified by Works and not by Faith Alone

    Thanks for the detailed response on this Chessman. I don't have a personal investment on this issue as my theology on the matter remains intact regardless of this interpretation. However, I have always found the standard protestant understanding a bit lacking. Was not Abraham our father...
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    A Person is Justified by Works and not by Faith Alone

    So you think this Justification is towards man? That your faith is vindicated before others by your work?
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    A Person is Justified by Works and not by Faith Alone

    Hi Butch5, Do you have other Scriptures that bear on the topic, and can you provide your interpretation of James 2:24 in it's context? Interested in your thoughts.
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    Christians? Using self-defense and Guns?

    (Removed, response to deleted post. Obadiah)
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    Christians? Using self-defense and Guns?

    (Removed. Failure to follow A&T guidelines: "Subsequent opposing responses should include references to supportive scripture relevant to the thread and offer explanation for the contrary understanding". Obadiah.)
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    Christians? Using self-defense and Guns?

    (Removed. Failure to follow A&T guidelines: "Subsequent opposing responses should include references to supportive scripture relevant to the thread and offer explanation for the contrary understanding". Obadiah.)
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    Christians? Using self-defense and Guns?

    Jesus will come as the Just Judge to exact justice on the evil within the world. Does that example then give us the model for how we should react, are we commanded to follow that example, or the example of Jesus in the gospels? Jesus didn't just refuse violence to make a prophesy happen, he...
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    Christians? Using self-defense and Guns?

    Where is it stated that the proclivity to respond to violence with violence is "God given?" When Jesus was struck, how did he respond? When he was reviled, he did not revile in return; when he suffered, he did not threaten, but continued entrusting himself to him who judges justly. 1 Peter...
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    Christians? Using self-defense and Guns?

    We're talking about responding to physical force with physical force. re·tal·i·ate rəˈtalēˌāt/ verb make an attack or assault in return for a similar attack. One is not obligated to respond with violence when assaulted. But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps...
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    Christians? Using self-defense and Guns?

    I don't think it's necessary to present those who support peace as "yelling" or "screaming," this characterization can lead to the other party becoming enflamed and thus escalating the exchange. I also don't think that the existence of survival instincts necessarily proves the right to...
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    A Person is Justified by Works and not by Faith Alone

    This seems to be a really provocative thread title, but it really is just a quotation from Scripture. You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. James 2:24 (ESV) What is your take on this text? What does it mean?
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    NIV Bible

    NIV is kind of on the outskirts of what is deemed a literal translation, in that the translators render their interpretation a little more than some other translations. It still is a great translation with fantastic scholarship and should be regarded as a valuable tool, that I would personally...
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