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  1. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    I am providing clear passages, while you are not. It is clear that there are those who through desire for sin choose to leave Christ. Where is your proof that they cannot, and if they do that they take salvation with them?
  2. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Mat 3:9 And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,' for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham. Heb 3:5 Now Moses was faithful in all God’s house as a servant, to testify to the things that were to be spoken later, but Christ is...
  3. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Is God salvation? Was the writer of Hebrews mistaken that people could leave the living God? You do not belong to yourself, which is precisely why you should not live for yourself and think God 'owes' you something based on what you said or did at one time in your life. No, you don't just up...
  4. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Jde 1:3-7 Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this...
  5. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    That's an argument that has no bearing on the topic. You have life right now right? If you turn from that life, kill yourself, do you still have life? The location of salvation is in God alone, through Christ alone. If you leave you leave salvation.
  6. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Where is salvation located? If you leave salvation how do you still have it? Heb 3:12-19 Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of...
  7. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Jde 1:5 Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. Is destruction the same as salvation?
  8. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Where is salvation located? "turn away" - ἀφίστημι aphístēmi, af-is'-tay-mee; from G575 and G2476; to remove, i.e. (actively) instigate to revolt; usually (reflexively) to desist, desert, etc.:—depart, draw (fall) away, refrain, withdraw self.
  9. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Here is something simple. If I am sitting at a table with a banquet of food on it, then I "turn away" from it, withdrawing myself from it - I no longer have the food in front of me to eat. I have left the place where there is food. God alone has salvation, and He freely gives it to those who...
  10. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Where is salvation located? "turn away" - ἀφίστημι aphístēmi, af-is'-tay-mee; from G575 and G2476; to remove, i.e. (actively) instigate to revolt; usually (reflexively) to desist, desert, etc.:—depart, draw (fall) away, refrain, withdraw self.
  11. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    I'm not playing with words. If you are in Christ you will be saved. That is what the Bible teaches. Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Heb 3:14 For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original...
  12. Nathan

    THE UNFORGIVEN SIN

    Its really not too far off topic. Yes, Jesus did commend His Spirit into the Fathers hand. It does not say that His soul went at that point to the Father though. The thoughts are not divided or self refuting when we rightly see what was said by Christ. Think of it this way. The term "its in...
  13. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Do you think Christ died for all the sins of mankind? If so, then why would God then require them to be punished for them? Yes, Christ is able to keep us from stumbling. Much like I am able to keep my kids from stumbling - but when my kids decide to leave me, there is not much I can do for...
  14. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    You too Chopper! Heb 3:12-15 Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have...
  15. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    This is all done through faith. It is a FACT that will take place. However, if you deny this fact, then you reject what He has promised to do. God knows in the end who is going to be faithful to the end and who will not. He desires all men to be saved, but knows only a few will believe in...
  16. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    Heb 3:12-15 Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have come to share in...
  17. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Yes, you can leave it and it is still called eternal because God is eternal. Your choice does not make it any less eternal. By the very definition of the word - eternal - the life has no beginning and no end. This is God - not man. The eternal life dwells in us and gives us life. If the...
  18. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    I am involved in confronting error every single day Chopper - every single day. Do I know anyone personally? I cannot say I do for sure. There is no way to know what a persons heart is. The verse you posted is exactly why I do what I do. I know that as the time gets shorter and shorter...
  19. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Actually, people completely overlook the fact that God can only 'have' eternal life. Eternal, by its very definition, means not having a beginning or an end. So a person cannot 'begin' to have eternal life - they can simply partake of that eternal life. We "have" eternal life only because...
  20. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Because they stop receiving the eternal life that only God has. If you walk away from Christ you leave His life. 1Jo 5:12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
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