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  1. john darling

    God of the Bible is not all loving.

    This is the problem with the ideal of unconditional love so heavily promoted by modern day Christians (which Padre is obviously responding to, since the ideal of unconditional love is found nowhere in the Bible). It's most obvious with children and parents, where the child does something...
  2. john darling

    God of the Bible is not all loving.

    I haven't read all the posts yet, but this is the best question I've seen in a while.
  3. john darling

    God or money?

    JohnDB, whatever goodness you do for God is being lost in your attempt to justify yourself by letting everyone know about it. Please, for your own eternal reward, keep these personal examples between you and God. Yes, you consider working for the purpose of material gain good. But that...
  4. john darling

    God or money?

    Acts 2:44-45 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. Acts 4:32-37 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of...
  5. john darling

    God or money?

    This question can easily be answered based on what I've already said in my previous post. These hard working pastors you're talking about, would they refuse to do their work if they don't get money for it? If so, then yeah, they're cheating on God because their behavior would demonstrate that...
  6. john darling

    God or money?

    For clarity, here's the assertion in question: "The problem is the motivation behind how we get the money; participation in the worldly value which says we should only help people IF they pay us for it. " Of course this is the assertion people are making. That's what working for money is...
  7. john darling

    God or money?

    Excerpt from JohnDB
  8. john darling

    God or money?

    And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Revelation 13. The problem with working for money is that money is based on an opposite principle to the Kingdom of Heaven. You guys are right that it is not money which is the...
  9. john darling

    God or money?

    Hi Edward. Thanks for sharing these thoughts. I get that we humans have set up a society where everything revolves around money so there is a strong appearance that we cannot live without money, but that just isn't true. We do not need money to live. That should at least be our starting point...
  10. john darling

    God or money?

    You mean sharing? Yes, that's what I understood you to be sarcastic about. I'm saying sarcasm about sharing is evidence of money-loving. No, sharing is not a transaction. Here's what a Christian commune looks like: And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold...
  11. john darling

    God or money?

    Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Matthew 6:10 Just sayn, from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
  12. john darling

    God or money?

    So you were being sarcastic about a world where people help one another because they want to rather than because they demand payment? If I had to list evidence of money loving, I'd say sarcasm about working for love would be right up there at the top.
  13. john darling

    God or money?

    Either money or theft. Those are the only two options you can think of? My goodness...
  14. john darling

    God or money?

    Yes, without money you cannot buy. This is different from saying you cannot have these things without money. Money only exists, and only has value, because we choose to make it so. Houses, food, water, clothing and cars do not exist because money exists. Money does not cause these things to...
  15. john darling

    God or money?

    This is exactly my point; the topic is not about my faith. The topic is the teachings of Jesus. What did he say about our relationship to money and materialism and what should we, as individuals, be doing about it? Jesus is the cornerstone. Let's talk about his teachings.
  16. john darling

    God or money?

    I do feel insulted, but not for the reason you think. I think if you're honest with yourself you don't have this image of me at all. This is just another strategy to get me talking about myself. It is an appeal to my pride, "No WIP, please don't think badly of me. I'll talk about myself. I'll...
  17. john darling

    God or money?

    The context here is that of people trying to trap Jesus in his words. Jesus sprung the trap by giving people the freedom to hear what they want to hear. The full teaching is, "Give to Caesar what belongs to him, and give to God what belongs to him". People who love money will only hear the...
  18. john darling

    God or money?

    I think it doesn't make sense to you because you've misunderstand the context of that tidbit. The tidbit you selected is based on an series of exchanges which started from post# 10 of this thread. JohnDB said he thought the message in the video was antiChrist. I asked him (twice) to explain...
  19. john darling

    God or money?

    The most reliable way to know if/when someone has a problem with the love of money is to talk about the teachings of Jesus. Instead, they will talk about Paul. They will talk about their family. They will talk about personal experiences. They will talk about the person asking to talk about...
  20. john darling

    God or money?

    I think it doesn't make sense to you because you've misunderstand the context of that tidbit. The tidbit you selected is based on an series of exchanges which started from post# 10 of this thread. JohnDB said he thought the message in the video was AntiChrist. I asked him to explain how he...
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