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  1. Hospes

    The Good News/The Bad News

    Accepting the common definitions, everyone practices theology to varying degrees, so everyone is a theologian. Just some are further along than others in knowledge and skill; everyone is somewhere on the sliding scale of theologian. After thinking about it some, here are some thoughts and stuff...
  2. Hospes

    The Good News/The Bad News

    I'd beg to differ. First comes the desire to respond, but to actually respond requires an ability to carry out the response. I believe God provides both. I am just restating the content of these two verses: And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that having all sufficiency in all...
  3. Hospes

    The Good News/The Bad News

    Hi StoveBolts. I like what you wrote here. I believe it is a quite reasonable understanding of the scripture. I'd just like to comment on what I think the difference is between what you believe and what I believe. (I am not trying to open a debate as much as give a fair account as to our...
  4. Hospes

    The Good News/The Bad News

    I am gone for like a day and come back to such a volume of stuff to comment on! Here goes" It only works in English, so the Dutch had no intention of creating the acronym. We of the Reformed bent see God's providence in it ending up as TULIP in English, but then again, we see God's providence...
  5. Hospes

    The Good News/The Bad News

    Hi Oz. I've been thinking the debate was regarding the whole salvific process of Ephesians 2:8-9 (ESV) including faith as part of the gift. When did it switch over to whether or not salvation is an irresistible grace? Regardless, it's nice that we both agree that the whole salvific process...
  6. Hospes

    The Good News/The Bad News

    I mean "Oh well, I give up trying to break through your fierce commitment to redefining Unconditional Election in a way that no one else does, even Wikipedia." Unconditional Election. Somehow in your zealous anti-Calvinist paradigm, you tenaciously cling to the notion of predestination being...
  7. Hospes

    The Good News/The Bad News

    Thanks for asking. I like the challenge of sorting it out in my own head, especially given that I am not sure I have ever looked at it in any depth. I need to noodle on the verse in context. It does appear the isolated verse can be made mean any number of things. Back to you later!
  8. Hospes

    The Good News/The Bad News

    Oh well, I tried. I guess I should have stuck with directing you to Wikipedia for the definition. Though it must make things easier when you have the option of re-defining words.
  9. Hospes

    The Good News/The Bad News

    Okay, wondering, being the most patient person I know (and humble to boot!), I will do my best to explain. The passage you use is about predestination. Predestination, like all of TULIP, is logically tied to Unconditional Election, but is not the same thing. Predestination leads to asking...
  10. Hospes

    The Good News/The Bad News

    Agreed! I very much think we have become too enamored with our view of sacrifice as some type of ultimate Christian virtue. It is not. I believe anything we "sacrifice" does not belong to us anyway. Wrongly using the word sacrifice: sacrificing to God is like me "sacrificing" your guitar by...
  11. Hospes

    The Good News/The Bad News

    Oz, isn't Mounce writing that "the entire salvific process" is a gift and that "faith obviously is a part" of the salvific process? Faith being a part of the process and the entire process a gift, then isn't he asserting faith is a gift? Also, when I read FF Bruce, he is asserting the same as...
  12. Hospes

    The Good News/The Bad News

    Hi OzSpen. I'm a bit confused. If I understand you correctly, you are saying faith is not a gift of God. But the Greek scholar you quote, Dr Bill Mounce, writes When Greek wants to refer back to a general though, perhaps a phrase, the pronoun can be in the neuter. This is not of yourselves does...
  13. Hospes

    The Good News/The Bad News

    I agree everyone has faith. The object of faith makes all the difference. I assume the faith you write of from your heathen days did not have the Gospel as its object. For future reference, when discussing faith in light of a specific scripture, you may assume I am using the word in the same...
  14. Hospes

    The Good News/The Bad News

    The passage you quoted from Calvin was not on Unconditional Election. In fact, I do not think - though I could be wrong - Calvin ever used the term "Unconditional Election". (I believe the term was possibly used for the first time in the Canons of Dort, a half-century after Calvin had died.) Of...
  15. Hospes

    The Good News/The Bad News

    I scoured your post to find something I disagreed with and it's with a bit of a sense of failure I have to tell you I agreed with it all. Please do not be disappointed in me. :)
  16. Hospes

    The Good News/The Bad News

    I guess I could have been more accurate to write that we are saved by grace, through faith, alone. Sorry for confusing you. To help clear up any more confusion: For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God... Ephesians 2:8 (ESV) God...
  17. Hospes

    The Good News/The Bad News

    I welcome your interruption! I see nothing in what you wrote that indicates you and I see it differently. Would I be clearer if I added that the "many mighty works in your name" were not works indicating "the obedience of faith" but rather works born of wrong motives rather than from knowing...
  18. Hospes

    The Good News/The Bad News

    Rajesh, let me try to give some input using a different passage of scripture I think you'll like: “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not...
  19. Hospes

    The Good News/The Bad News

    No, not from me. My guess/hope is wondering is not really interested in a protracted argument on the definition of Unconditional Election, either. I think we actually have a "working relationship" where she'll write something that triggers me and then I whine about it and it triggers her and...
  20. Hospes

    The Good News/The Bad News

    I have written before how Reformed Theology defines unconditional election, so I'll just suggest you read it in Wikipedia. Even this secular source gets it more correct than what you have asserted. For someone so anti-Calvinist, I'd suggest you put in a bit of work at gaining a better...
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