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    Bible Study Conditional Immortality

    Truth and 'meaning' are not always the same thing..... Digging
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    Bible Study Conditional Immortality

    I don't want to go off the topic but with this account but I believe it's a story about the power of the 'water of life' contrasted with living on the path of sin and death symbolized by fire which is the total opposite of water. Digging
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    Bible Study Conditional Immortality

    Come on now......everyone knows this account is not literal, if some one was burning in a fire would they ask for one drop of water from the tip of someones finger? They would ask for a waterfall! Digging
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    Bible Study Conditional Immortality

    I do believe there is one other possible way to understand this reference with the spirit asking to not be 'tormented' it is linked to being in 'prison' and thus the torment could also be referring to the 1000's years during which the devil is bound and chained in the abyss. Which occurs before...
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    Bible Study Conditional Immortality

    Here a helpful fact. Fire is a combination of chemical and physical changes in which substances interact to release heat, light, smoke and ash. Whether it is a fire in electrical insulation, an oil fire or a simple domestic fire, they all require three ingredients – combustible material...
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    Bible Study Conditional Immortality

    I agree that fire is real on earth and can effect physical creation, God has used fire on earth at different times. Fire is a simple chemical reaction that causes a rapid breaking down of elements. Once the fuel is broken down the fire goes out. If I'm to understand you right you are saying you...
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    Bible Study Conditional Immortality

    Personally I believe in a literal end to the existence of all wick both sprite and flesh. HOW that ending of existence happens is what I see being symbolized. Digging
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    Bible Study Conditional Immortality

    For myself the mentioning of brimstone is a clear indicator that this whole vs is symbolically describing the elimination of these wicked influences on earth. Digging
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    Bible Study Conditional Immortality

    You are trying to use Revelation a book of SYMBOLS to prove something literal??? Digging
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    How does C.I and E.C.T affect the Gospel?

    I have heard this explanation thanks for sharing it because Gehenna also was a place of a garbage dump. These are extra details we have learned that have helped to get a better understanding of some of the meanings of Jesus illustrations. However IF we didn't have access to these little extra...
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    How does C.I and E.C.T affect the Gospel?

    To be honest I have a hard time taking some of the comments made here even serious?? Jesus is not saying that there are immortal worms! He is once again is giving an illustration, articulating complete destruction of the wicked which there is no redemption from, no resurrection from. Look...
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    Bible Study Conditional Immortality

    JLB, I get the feeling you are 'afraid' to allow yourself to take time to consider and reflect on other scriptures in the bible that might not at first make sense to you right away. The vs's in 1 John 4 are NOT talking about the fear of man at all. 14 We have seen and testify that the Father...
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    Bible Study Conditional Immortality

    I'm not trying to change the subject here but I want to talk about how much our culture has become fear based. The very foundation of civil order is fear based. I'll give an example. Why do millions people all over America pay rent, often which they feel is to high? Because if they fail to pay...
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    How does C.I and E.C.T affect the Gospel?

    Well it could definitely melt, all rocks can melt, if the strike was right on then maybe they could be vaporized, diamonds burn by the way....they are made of carbon. We are getting of the topic.....however I believe the physical creation is different from the spiritual and not effected in...
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    How does C.I and E.C.T affect the Gospel?

    Well I do know that after the boom dropped on Japan that there was only a shadow like mark of the outline of people left on brick walls but there was not even any bones left. The reason I mention this is because limestone was often used which is mainly calcium like bones. Digging
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    Bible Study Conditional Immortality

    I gives my heart a pain to read what you just said. IF fear of punishment was so effective every Jew should have been 100% faithful. I sometimes wonder that Christians that argue in defense of something so negative that they have linked to their faith in their minds perhaps also have other...
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    How does C.I and E.C.T affect the Gospel?

    Matt 13:41 "The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire ; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 "Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE...
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    How does C.I and E.C.T affect the Gospel?

    I believe God is using powerful physical forces of destruction as an illustration to communicate to us how he will completely destroy all the wicked both spirits and human which there will be no restoration from ever. No resurrection, no returning. It is a real event but the imaging is what is...
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    How does C.I and E.C.T affect the Gospel?

    Hello Agua, I understand that account in Kings still was real fire that caused a chemical reaction to break down the substances completely. The account in Revelation even adds brimstone which is a very strong indicator that God is using physical phenomena to illustrate how spiritual beings can...
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    How does C.I and E.C.T affect the Gospel?

    Here is another scripture for us to think about, the account of the furnace and the angel in Daniel 3:20 He commanded certain valiant warriors who were in his army to tie up Shadrach,Meshach and Abed-nego in order to cast them into the furnace of blazing fire. 21 Then these men weretied up in...
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