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  1. Butch5

    An Open Debate on the Trinity with JLB

    But you didn't post anything saying the Word always existed. 7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession...
  2. Butch5

    An Open Debate on the Trinity with JLB

    But that's you opinion. The Bible shows us otherwise. As we see in Gen 19 there is Jehovah on earth and Jehovah in Heaven. No matter how you do the math, that's two. I do have a question though. With the overwhelming amount of evidence presented in this thread, why would you still hold to an...
  3. Butch5

    An Open Debate on the Trinity with JLB

    It's also a misunderstanding of the text. That may be why you never thought of it.
  4. Butch5

    An Open Debate on the Trinity with JLB

    Yes he said that. But that doesn't prove this there in one concept. No one is arguing that Jesus isn't Deity. You guys keep trying to prove something that no one is disagreeing with .But then you're claiming this supports the three in one concept. The question you should be asking is, if this...
  5. Butch5

    An Open Debate on the Trinity with JLB

    This is what happens when we have wrong theology. Because you don't understand the relationship between the Father and Son, you believe that Jesus called Himself, the Lord thy God. This is how people get so far off base. You believe one thing about Christ and you filter your reading of the...
  6. Butch5

    An Open Debate on the Trinity with JLB

    Since Tertullian is the one who coined the term as it applies to Christianity, I think his understanding is important. After all, it is the original teaching on the Trinity. Anything that doesn't align with that is either wrong or an addition. The idea in the Athanasian Creed came some 150-200...
  7. Butch5

    An Open Debate on the Trinity with JLB

    Hi Wondering, I would encourage you to seek primary sources for the Early Church Fathers, rather than tertiary sources. What you've posted here is just someone's interpretation of what the writers said. He didn't quote a single writer who said that God is 3 in 1. He believes in the Trinity and...
  8. Butch5

    An Open Debate on the Trinity with JLB

    Hi Wondering, I'm not being silly. You're giving personality to 4 beings. If there is a being called God who consists of three persons, then logically those persons are a part of God, thus each one alone is not fully but only a part of God. Of course we can't understand it. It's a logical...
  9. Butch5

    An Open Debate on the Trinity with JLB

    If that's the case, then your second example has 4 Gods. It has the, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and the God they're in
  10. Butch5

    An Open Debate on the Trinity with JLB

    He's not.He's calling the Father the Lord God. The devil is trying to get Jesus to test God and Jesus said you shall not test the Lord your God. Jesus wouldn't test God to prove who He was.
  11. Butch5

    An Open Debate on the Trinity with JLB

    If you read it in context instead of ripping part of the passage from its context it's a pretty clear statement. Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He...
  12. Butch5

    An Open Debate on the Trinity with JLB

    A better translation is do not test the Lord your God. And, yes, it refers to the Father. It's not even talking about sin. Come on guy, let's stay in the ball park.
  13. Butch5

    An Open Debate on the Trinity with JLB

    Someone who can't sin can't be tempted to sin.
  14. Butch5

    An Open Debate on the Trinity with JLB

    If He couldn't have, then He couldn't have been tempted.
  15. Butch5

    An Open Debate on the Trinity with JLB

    If He couldn't have then He couldn't have been tempted. Yet, Paul says He was tempted in all ways as we are.
  16. Butch5

    An Open Debate on the Trinity with JLB

    Who is the Father?
  17. Butch5

    An Open Debate on the Trinity with JLB

    What's the difference?
  18. Butch5

    An Open Debate on the Trinity with JLB

    Agreed. My point was that they added the vowels so th as t it could be pronounced. Is YHVH a being or a title?
  19. Butch5

    An Open Debate on the Trinity with JLB

    Hi Wondering, The Greek word anggelos simply means a messenger. It can be a spirit being or a person. Anyone who beings a message is a messenger. The apostles brought a message thus they were messengers or angels. The problem is that Christianity has turned the word angel into a religious...
  20. Butch5

    An Open Debate on the Trinity with JLB

    No. It was about the Father begetting the Son.
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