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  1. Butch5

    The Trichotomous and Dichotomous View

    Where in Scripture do we find that? We don't, it's an inference drawn from several passages. There is no Paradise in Hades. There is no Abraham's bosom in Hades. Abraham bosom is a man's chest. Hades is the grave, and paradise means garden. There is nothing in Scripture that says there's a...
  2. Butch5

    The Trichotomous and Dichotomous View

    I'm not condescending to you my friend. I'm simply trying to make a point. If we're not open to all possibilities it's quite easy to miss things. Jesus purposely spoke to the Pharisees in code so they wouldn't understand. So, if the meaning seems abundantly clear, then it's not the meaning. The...
  3. Butch5

    The Trichotomous and Dichotomous View

    The elements represent something in the parable. Look at the details, why does Jesus give Lazarus a name? He doesn't do it in the other parables? The name Lazarus means, God help or God is my help. Why does the Rich Man have five brothers? Why are we told that he was dressed in purple and fine...
  4. Butch5

    The Trichotomous and Dichotomous View

    You said, "I don't think". That statement limits you. Maybe you don't think Jesus would do that. However, that doesn't mean He didn't. By restricting what you accept you put yourself in box where only certain things can be entertained. This is what I was referring to when I said it is our...
  5. Butch5

    The Trichotomous and Dichotomous View

    Hi Dances, Actually, they don't differ. It's our understanding that is the issue. For instance, Lazarus and the Rich Man, it was a parable spoken to the Scribes and Pharisses. The Scriptures tell us that Jesus spoke to them in parables so that seeing they would see and not understand. In that...
  6. Butch5

    The Trichotomous and Dichotomous View

    It's simply an understanding of the Scriptures, just like trichotomy or dichotomy. There's no name that I'm aware of. I would ask, what do you believe eternal life is? Is it not living eternally? If we had eternal life now we would never die. Yet, we know Christians die. I would ask how can one...
  7. Butch5

    The Trichotomous and Dichotomous View

    I belong to a group of men and women who do a lot of in depth study. We use a historical/grammatical hermeneutic to look at the Scriptures. We trace concepts all through the Scriptures. Sometimes that means look at every single occurrence of a word in Scripture. for instance, in the study, "What...
  8. Butch5

    The Trichotomous and Dichotomous View

    I have to disagree with you here. I believe shall raise you mortal bodies is future tense, while the spirit that dwells in them is present active.
  9. Butch5

    The Trichotomous and Dichotomous View

    I simply believe that man is a single physical being that is given life by the breath or spirit of God. I don't believe he is two or three parts as many submit. His only way to enter the kingdom after death is to be resurrected.
  10. Butch5

    The Trichotomous and Dichotomous View

    The phrase born again is actually only used of the Jews. Gentiles are said to be born of God. I believe it's a figurative way to speak of the resurrection. Shall raise is in the future tense.
  11. Butch5

    The Trichotomous and Dichotomous View

    No, I'm not resurrected.
  12. Butch5

    The Trichotomous and Dichotomous View

    I would submit that being born again is resurrection. I would submit that Resurrection is being born of the Spirit. Paul spoke of this in Romans 8 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal...
  13. Butch5

    The Trichotomous and Dichotomous View

    I have to disagree with your conclusion that man is trichotomous or dichotomous. You quoted Gen 2:7 to make your point, however, I don't believe Gen 2:7 supports your point. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man...
  14. Butch5

    Blessing of Election !

    It doesn't. It says those who received Him were given the right to become children of God. They received Him before they were given the right became children of God. Receive is in the active voice, that means they performed the action. If God had performed the action it would be in the passive...
  15. Butch5

    Blessing of Election !

    Sorry for the delayed response. I had a large project going at work. My ability to choose has nothing to do with free will? They are one and same. Having a desire different than God's is not sin. Acting contrary to what God has said is sin. As has been pointed out, you keep speaking of desires...
  16. Butch5

    Blessing of Election !

    Thanks!
  17. Butch5

    Blessing of Election !

    Fastfredy0 Since this passage doesn't support your claim I'll not dwell on it. It says He gave the right to become children of God to those who received Him. So, they received Him before they were given the right to become children of God. And on side note, remember, He came to the Jews...
  18. Butch5

    Blessing of Election !

    Why, has nothing to do with my ability to choose. That's a non sequitur. And, there's nothing in this verse saying that He desired to obey God more. You're simply imposing that onto the text. You're actually arguing against the very argument that you're using. And Jesus said unto them, Verily...
  19. Butch5

    Blessing of Election !

    I suppose one could do that, although I don't know why they would. But, since you're making assertions, why is it ridiculous that one would choose that which is not their greatest desire? I'm kind of surprised that you've made this argument give what we have in Scripture. 41 And he was...
  20. Butch5

    Blessing of Election !

    Let the straw man arguments begin. You're making an argument here that ones desire determine their choice. However, that is just an assertion on your part. As I've pointed out, I can choose to do that which isn't my greatest desire. Your determiner of determinations is a straw man. The reasosn...
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