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  1. Butch5

    Who Are The Two Witnesses?

    I believe they will be Elijah and John.
  2. Butch5

    What is The Baptism that saves us now?

    Where in Scripture is obedience called baptism? Of course obedience is necessary. Peter said repent and be baptized. They were to repent first. That requires obedience. However, he didn't say repent and you are baptized. He said repent and be baptized. This suggests to me that obedience and...
  3. Butch5

    What is The Baptism that saves us now?

    The passages I posted deal directly with baptism. Peter explicitly states that water saves. How them can it be nothing more than an outward identification of something inwardly? If it is simply an outward identification of something inward, it wouldn't save. It would be the inward something that...
  4. Butch5

    What is The Baptism that saves us now?

    You deny that it's water when we have explicit statements saying it's water?
  5. Butch5

    What is The Baptism that saves us now?

    It's spiritual? What does that mean?
  6. Butch5

    What is The Baptism that saves us now?

    I believe you're missuing the point. They're being water baptized. His point is that there is more to it than simply getting wet. We know he means more by looking at other things he said. In one of his earliest sermons he said 'Repent and be baptized and you'll receive the gift of the Holy...
  7. Butch5

    What is The Baptism that saves us now?

    It does mean water. You're pulling passages randomly from Scripture that have nothing to do with baptism in an attempt to negate it. As I pointed out, Paul said God saved them through the bath of regeneration. Jesus said the one believes (present tense) and is baptized (past temse) shall be...
  8. Butch5

    What is The Baptism that saves us now?

    I'm not sure what this has has to do with baptism
  9. Butch5

    What is The Baptism that saves us now?

    Bodies washed with pure water
  10. Butch5

    What is The Baptism that saves us now?

    Well sure. Being baptized is being associated with Christ. The point is that's what saves.
  11. Butch5

    What is The Baptism that saves us now?

    He didn't erradicte it. He simply explained it. It's not taking a bath, one is going into the water making an appeal to God from a good conscience.
  12. Butch5

    What is The Baptism that saves us now?

    It's not an opinion. You can look in a lexicon. Can you show me from Scrioture where it says one cannot appeal to God before they have a new heart?
  13. Butch5

    What is The Baptism that saves us now?

    The washing or bath of regeneration is baptism. This is how the early Christians understood the phase
  14. Butch5

    What is The Baptism that saves us now?

    He speaks of the washing or literally the bath of regeneration and renewing of the Spirit. This is what Jesus indicated when speaking with Nicodemus. He said one must be born or water and the Spirit.
  15. Butch5

    What is The Baptism that saves us now?

    The word answer isn't really a good translation. It's better translated appeal. Baptism is an appeal to God from a good conscience.
  16. Butch5

    What is The Baptism that saves us now?

    I have read it, many times. Peter says they were saved "by" the water. The Greek word translated "by" is "dia". It literally mean through or by way of. It denotes instrumentality. In other words the water was the instrament through which Noah was saved. So,he wasn't saved from the water; the...
  17. Butch5

    What is The Baptism that saves us now?

    It's water baptism. He equates it with the washing of the body.
  18. Butch5

    Jesus Is God: Part 1

    Checkmate!
  19. Butch5

    Jesus Is God: Part 1

    Exactly! You can't defend what you said. Checkmate!
  20. Butch5

    Jesus Is God: Part 1

    @strawman. 11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. 12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. 13 And the king said unto her, Be not...
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