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I found this link online: Medieval Sourcebook: A CHRISTIAN/MOSLEM DEBATE OF THE 12TH CENTURY (or http://www.fordham.*** edu/halsall/source/christ-muslim-debate.html -- remove the *** when copying and pasting)
It's a debate between a Christian Monk and Muslim Prince. What I found fascinating was that these two in the year 1160 AD were debating what we in the year 2011 are debating! It gave me quite the laugh.
Here's an except:
It amused me that this could be a conversation taking place right now. There truly is "nothing new under the sun."
There is, however, this footnote at the end: "What I am unable to do is verify the historicity of this document, beyond the notes by Fr. Johnson at the beginning."
Has anyone ever come across this before? Any way to verify this source? Coincidentally, I was given this link by an atheist (of all people, right)?
Anyone know if there is any truth to this claim of a 12th C. debate?
It's a debate between a Christian Monk and Muslim Prince. What I found fascinating was that these two in the year 1160 AD were debating what we in the year 2011 are debating! It gave me quite the laugh.
Here's an except:
The Moslem-- Woe unto you! We contest what you make God a child, and that the Christ is God's son, and that he is Eternal God and Creator of the creatures while he is human and was born from a woman and God considers him like Adam to whom he said, " Be!" and he has been (created).
The Monk-- So, Abu-Salamah, you believe in all what your Prophet mentioned in your Book and that (this book) was inspired by God?
The Moslem-- Yes, everything mentioned in the Koran was inspired to Mohammed.
The Monk-- The Koran doesn't mention that the Christ is the Spirit of God and his Word given by God to Mary?
The Moslem-- Not eternal (word) but created.
The Monk-- Was God, at any time, dumb, deaf, or empty from any word or spirit?
The Moslem--God forbid! God, his Word and Spirit are always (present).
The Monk-- Is God's Word Creator or created?
The Moslem-- Creator.
The Monk-- You worship God along with his Spirit and Word, isn't it?
The Moslem-- I adore God, His Word and His Spirit.
The Monk-- Say now, then, " I believe in God, in His Spirit and in His Word."
The Moslem-- I believe in God and in His Spirit and in His Word. But I do not make them three, but one God.
The Monk-- This is my opinion, too; and my beliefs and those of all Christians of Orthodox faith. I like now to explain the meanings of the Holy Eternity: the Father is God; the Son is His Word; and the third (person is) the Holy Spirit.
The Prince was laying down. He then stood up, glanced to the Moslem, laughed and told him,-- " Abu-Salamah, the Monk Christianized you and introduced you to the Christian's religion; you are then Christian."
Abu-Salamah was furious. Then, a jurisprudent called Abul-Fadl Al-Halabi, told his friends: If you had permitted me from the beginning, I had a dialogue with the Monk and I showed you his defeat. Afterwards, he looked at the Prince and said, -- "Be informed, O Prince, that the non-believers are in the fire (in the hell) and whoever approaches them burns himself, and Satan who is the spirit of the tyranny speaks through their mouths."
The Monk-- Why do you insult us? Why do you attribute to us what is related to you and to your prophet? Didn't we talk and prove that the Christ is the Spirit of God and His Word from your Koran and your Prophet? If you are sure that what we cited is satanic, it should be from your Prophet and your Book.
The Prince-- Shame of you, Abul-Fadl! Your silence was better and more fruitful than your speech. I wish God had furnished you with silence and dumbness; then we would have been quite at ease.
Then Abdul-Fadl, ashamed, went away.
It amused me that this could be a conversation taking place right now. There truly is "nothing new under the sun."
There is, however, this footnote at the end: "What I am unable to do is verify the historicity of this document, beyond the notes by Fr. Johnson at the beginning."
Has anyone ever come across this before? Any way to verify this source? Coincidentally, I was given this link by an atheist (of all people, right)?
Anyone know if there is any truth to this claim of a 12th C. debate?
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