A confession of politics

[reba]

Some planks from the Republican platform
That is why Congressional Republicans took the lead in enacting the Defense of Marriage Act, affirming the right of States and the federal government not to recognize same-sex relationships licensed in other jurisdictions.

Faithful to the “self-evident” truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child R E P U B L I C A N P L A T F O R M 2 0 1 2 14 has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion or fund organizations which perform or advocate it and will not fund or subsidize health care which includes abortion coverage

Also, to ensure protection of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms, we call on the governing authority to pass laws consistent with the Supreme Court’s decisions in the District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago cases, which upheld the fundamental right to keep and bear arms for self-defense

https://cdn.gop.com/docs/2012GOPPlatform.pdf

 

[reba]

I am not a republican

 

[Milk-Drops]

It perplexes me to no end how some people treat liberal and conservative as if they are specific ideologies instead of what they actually are, a spectrum of ideologies.

For example, an American Conservative is completely different from a Chinese Conservative. The definitions for conservative and liberal are loose on purpose because they are not meant to be an all encompassing label. Conservativism tends to lean towards tradition, doing things the way our fathers did it......... because our fathers did it that way.

Liberalism tends to be experimental and wanting to question why we do what we do. No one is 100% conservative or liberal, most people tend to have certain aspects they hold traditionally while also experimenting with specific rules and questioning systems.

Technically most of you guys are being very liberal because of the questioning of the government that goes on here. The rebel streaks in most of these posts scream liberal.

Liberals question authority, conservatives try to keep the status quot. Also, are we talking about religious, social, economical, or political con or lib? There are massive differences depending on what we are talking about.

What is really funny, both parties have liberal and conservative aspects, the Republicans are pretty liberal with their support of the war on drugs, tough on crime policies, anti immigration, and pushing for "Judaeo-Christian Values".

Its really interesting how most people don't seem to understand the basics of what they are even talking about.

 

[reba]

Most , not al but most who post here are Americans

 

[reba]

and pushing for "Judaeo-Christian Values".

This site is a judaeo christian based site.

 

[Milk-Drops]

and pushing for "Judaeo-Christian Values".

This site is a judaeo christian based site.

I know that Reba, its still technically liberal though, because the Republican party was more interested in Racial equality, women equality, and individual rights, it wasn't until Nixon and Reagan that the focus shifted to being Anti drug, tough on crime, and focusing on Christian politics.

Reagan was probably the most politically liberal Republican we've ever seen.

 

[Roro1972]

I will not use the labels, 'liberal or 'conservative' label in this post..

planks in a platform ("Plank" is the term often given to the components of the political platform – the opinions and viewpoints about individual topics, as held by a party, person, or organization.)

The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman's right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay. We oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right. Abortion is an intensely personal decision between a woman, her family, her doctor, and her clergy; there is no place for politicians or government to get in the way. We also recognize that health care and education help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions. We strongly and unequivocally support a woman's decision to have a child by providing affordable health care and ensuring the availability of and access to programs that help women during pregnancy and after the birth of a child, including caring adoption programs.

We support the right of all families to have equal respect, responsibilities, and protections under the law. We support marriage equality and support the movement to secure equal treatment under law for same-sex couples. We also support the freedom of churches and religious entities to decide how to administer marriage as a religious sacrament without government interference.

We oppose discriminatory federal and state constitutional amendments and other attempts to deny equal protection of the laws to committed same-sex couples who seek the same respect and responsibilities as other married couples. We support the full repeal of the so-called Defense of Marriage Act and the passage of the Respect for Marriage Act.

https://www.democrats.org/party-platform Here is the url for this document ..

that would be a liberal plank.

 

[reba]

The use of labels does not bother me...
View attachment 7981 if one bothers to read the label , beyond glancing at the picture...one can learn a lot about what is inside...
Freestone or cling
syrup or juice
USA or South America
Calories
corn syrup of sugar or?
vitamins
minerals
amounts

 

[Milk-Drops]

The use of labels does not bother me...
View attachment 7981 if one bothers to read the label , beyond glancing at the picture...one can learn a lot about what is inside...
Freestone or cling
syrup or juice
USA or South America
Calories
corn syrup of sugar or?
vitamins
minerals
amounts

What if I opened the can and it had apples or grapes in it instead because no one could agree on what exactly peaches meant and it constantly changed due to there being no hard definition on it?

 

[reba]

LOL good one MD..
I would ask the liberals to quite changing our language
Gay used to mean happy
marriage at one time meant a man a woman
family meant mom dad and kids then inlaws
freedom of speech was free
the right to life meant life
boarders meant boundaries
and on and on..

 

[Milk-Drops]

LOL good one MD..
I would ask the liberals to quite changing our language
Gay used to mean happy.

Gay was at one time a high English term that meant fanciful, high class, joyous, etc. It became a slur used on effeminate men. Homosexual men took the term and used it as a term of endearment from the Stonewall riots onward for solidarity.

marriage at one time meant a man a woman

It also used to be a way to secure fortunes and united families to close business deals. It was also exclusive to race and class.

family meant mom dad and kids then inlaws

It also meant your tribe, and most servicemen and women can attest that family can stretch far beyond blood.

freedom of speech was free

The US constitution since the first day of the ratification of the Bill of rights already had stipulations and limits to what exactly Freedom of speech meant. States could actually discount specific speech under the obscenity clause.

the right to life meant life

However there is this massive argument on what legally constitutes life.

and on and on..

Things change, that is life.

 

[reba]

Life is a magazine..

 

[Eugene]

I've been a registered "independent" after the Carter years. Have voted a straight republican ticket in the general elections ever since, but I refuse to be button holed as one.

Why didn't you vote with God's choice instead?
Rom 13:1 There is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Daniel 4:17 . . the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.
With your testimony can I assume that you would have voted against Pharaoh? Do you really believe your vote counts?
Romans 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

 

[smaller]

Why didn't you vote with God's choice instead?

I don't vote for "illusions" of choice nor do I believe in the left/right paradigm because that doesn't exist.

Rom 13:1 There is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Daniel 4:17 . . the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.
With your testimony can I assume that you would have voted against Pharaoh? Do you really believe your vote counts?

My religious beliefs and politics are not concurrent, but in opposition.

Romans 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

God doesn't need to ask for votes to do what He does. You may perceive pharaoh as you please. Scripture tells us who pharaoh is, from the perspective of the Spirit. Ezekiel 29:3. Certainly no "flesh man" as the majority would see.

God does have plans against the "opposition" side of the ledgers. Rising to power, money and influence is often a preamble sign of forthcoming destruction from God, in the Ways of God.

A christian ballot would look like this:

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[smaller]

On homosexuality, I'm on the fence and would rather stay in the background. I want to follow God, but the way it seems divided to me is to love my neighbor, or to stand against homosexuality. And the kindest approach I can give a homosexual is to tell them to avoid ever fulfilling their sexual desires and having a lasting relationship. Such a thing is something I haven't been able to do nor would want to. I don't think I can ask them to do that knowing how strong the desire is for me. On any harsher approach I feel is being apart of the gate filled groups that the gay community found strength by standing against.

On the other hand though I don't think I can accept the approach of total acceptance and ignore the verses that are against active homosexuality.

Until I have a better understanding, or another option to take, I'd rather stay out of the arena unless I have no choice but to confront someone's homosexuality.

I've struggled with these issues as well. It's rather pointless for christians to dictate to people to stop sinning when we ourselves are sinners.

That's just religious hypocrisy.

For me this confrontation, of my own hypocrisy, came when taking their money with a smile and condemning them in my heart. That's hypocrisy. I got over myself a couple decades ago.

Also unfortunate is that without drawing some lines, there are even more dire issues. I don't want their ways to be taught in schools for example. Are we going to give equal teaching time to sex addicts?

I don't think sex orientation should be on the public education curriculum other than as a biological studies, and this, not until later in later age curriculum. Maybe 8th/9th grade.

Do I really want my grandkids educated by Miley Cyrus twerking on teevee? Uh, no thank you. Sex as a money racket in entertainment/the public sphere, is getting quite out of hand imho.

The government dictates equality, but what does that really mean and how far does that go?

 

[smaller]

Unfortunately what supposed "freedom" has gained us here is "freedom" to "explore and exploit" the dark side of the nature of mankind without social or government penalties or even with government support of same.

I wouldn't necessarily term this activity as freedom, unless we want to define it as "freedom" to the nature of the flesh.

 

[smaller]

The use of labels does not bother me...

Thank God for the fine print!

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

I've struggled with these issues as well. It's rather pointless for christians to dictate to people to stop sinning when we ourselves are sinners.

That's just religious hypocrisy.

For me this confrontation, of my own hypocrisy, came when taking their money with a smile and condemning them in my heart. That's hypocrisy. I got over myself a couple decades ago.

Also unfortunate is that without drawing some lines, there are even more dire issues. I don't want their ways to be taught in schools for example. Are we going to give equal teaching time to sex addicts?

I don't think sex orientation should be on the public education curriculum other than as a biological studies, and this, not until later in later age curriculum. Maybe 8th/9th grade.

Do I really want my grandkids educated by Miley Cyrus twerking on teevee? Uh, no thank you. Sex as a money racket in entertainment/the public sphere, is getting quite out of hand imho.

The government dictates equality, but what does that really mean and how far does that go?

For now with regard to things that deal with homosexuality, I think I'll stay on the sidelines. Thanks for the thoughts though.

 

[smaller]

I have no issues with gay civil unions. It's a Godless allowance by Godless government, but it is the correct rendering under the constitution, imho.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

For now with regard to things that deal with homosexuality, I think I'll stay on the sidelines. Thanks for the thoughts though.

I don't have a problem with homos, they have a problem with me.