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A confession of politics

Roro1972 said:
I believe there are democrats ( mostly liberal) ; republicans ( mostly liberal ) and conservatives
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Where does being an Americian fit in all of that? Because sometimes in the heat of polarized issues it seems like people forget sometimes that we are a nation of one people. Even if it is a diverse nation of people.
 
Blake said:
We are either liberal or conservative whether any of us like it or not, honestly. It might not be fun to pick sides, but our principles pick sides for us. What are your feelings on immigration, gun control, abortion, LGBT rights, the demonstrations at Mizzou? Your answers to those questions will tell you and everyone around you whether you lean left or right. Of course, we can be conservative on some issues and liberal on others, and even consider ourselves to be non-partisan and politically moderate, but it doesn't make us any less conservative or liberal at heart.

I don't like the environment either. This seems to be the most polarized time in the left-right paradigm in awhile. Even non-political people will voice some pretty strong opinions about current affairs if you get them talking about it. I know consistent, lifetime non-voters who are rallying for their candidates of choice. And although I don't like this charged environment, it does give me a little bit of hope -- give me a colloseum over a morgue any day, I'd rather see radical opposition in politics than apathy and indifference. Opposition gets things done.

Being wholeheartedly a conservative reactionary, I'm quite disenchanted by liberal progressive principles. There's a lot I can't see eye to eye with when it comes to liberals -- some would say that makes me a champion, others would say that makes me a buffoon -- but it isn't about being praised or made the villain, I'm just standing up for my beliefs, and I feel very strongly about life at conception, the right to bear arms, I am nationalistic, I believe trans-anything is mental illness, most liberal folks think I am the devil. But at the end of the day, being conservative is just part of who I am. My best friend is a liberal progressive atheist. I love him like a brother. I would lay down my life for him. We have heated disagreements, but can sit down afterwards for dinner. That's what it's all about. I am tough on issues, easy on people -- at least I try to be.
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I hear you Blake on being charged by what you believe. I am against abortion, against guns as they currently are in our nation, for immragation but see the neglect that it brings with poverty and culture, unsure about homosexuality but leaning towards any rationelle that has the bible supporting it.

Also I see an obervasation that people watch their issues and lose track of the details, and so become easily minipulated into one side or another, then sometimes from agreeing with a decision, a stance, or a politician they lose track of how the promises actually play out. The critics to your beliefs should be the ones that a person keeps an ear out for, because those are probabley the only ones that warn you of your blind spots. When they say a critism that is off the mark and doesn't apply, that's great because you can rest assured that it isn't about you. When the critism hits the mark and hits me with it, if I don't pay attention it's my own fault.
 
Mark 3
24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
Americans are divided conservative and liberal. and some like your self not sure which side to be on.

"Liberals Claim to Want to Give A Hearing to Other Views, But Then are Shocked and Offended to Discover That There are Other Views." ~ William F. Buckley
 
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Roro1972 said:
Mark 3
24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
Americans are divided conservative and liberal. and some like your self not sure which side to be on.

"Liberals Claim to Want to Give A Hearing to Other Views, But Then are Shocked and Offended to Discover That There are Other Views." ~ William F. Buckley
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HA! Ok, that's one heck of a twist. A house divided can not stand, so choose a side on a divided kingdom to help it fall? Help it stand? I'll admit I've never heard of this reasoning. These very verses are a large reason that I have tried to strip away from the divisive philosophies of both groups of liberal an consertive, and try and look at any perspective they have and what merrit they come from if any. And the critisms to my perspectives. Really consider them.

As for what side I choose. I choose to the best of my ability God, family, nation/community. In that order. Liberal, consertive are not the sides I care about. The issue that they stand around I care about. But the two groups hold philosophies that cause division in the two groups. I consider that poison.
 
Not_Now.Soon said:
HA! Ok, that's one heck of a twist. A house divided can not stand, so choose a side on a divided kingdom to help it fall? Help it stand? I'll admit I've never heard of this reasoning. These very verses are a large reason that I have tried to strip away from the divisive philosophies of both groups of liberal an consertive, and try and look at any perspective they have and what merrit they come from if any. And the critisms to my perspectives. Really consider them.

As for what side I choose. I choose to the best of my ability God, family, nation/community. In that order. Liberal, consertive are not the sides I care about. The issue that they stand around I care about. But the two groups hold philosophies that cause division in the two groups. I consider that poison.
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I may be reading you wrong; if so I apologize; I took from one of your post you are not against the gay/lesbian community as the bible clearly shows us not to be for them.
this nation was started as one nation under God the liberals dems and reps have thrown God out of the picture totally.
 
Roro1972 said:
I may be reading you wrong; if so I apologize; I took from one of your post you are not against the gay/lesbian community as the bible clearly shows us not to be for them.
this nation was started as one nation under God the liberals dems and reps have thrown God out of the picture totally.
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On homosexuality, I'm on the fence and would rather stay in the background. I want to follow God, but the way it seems divided to me is to love my neighbor, or to stand against homosexuality. And the kindest approach I can give a homosexual is to tell them to avoid ever fulfilling their sexual desires and having a lasting relationship. Such a thing is something I haven't been able to do nor would want to. I don't think I can ask them to do that knowing how strong the desire is for me. On any harsher approach I feel is being apart of the gate filled groups that the gay community found strength by standing against.

On the other hand though I don't think I can accept the approach of total acceptance and ignore the verses that are against active homosexuality.

Until I have a better understanding, or another option to take, I'd rather stay out of the arena unless I have no choice but to confront someone's homosexuality.
 
Not_Now.Soon said:
We need to not add to the problem by hinting that liberals are dirty
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I disagree completely.
If you truly understood the wickedness that drives liberal thinking you may have a different opinion. If all of the US could truly see it many more people would take a firmer stand against it and demand it be removed as a foundation for forming policy. I'm convinced if people talked more about the underlying psychology of liberal thinking more people would resist it.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
I disagree completely.
If you truly understood the wickedness that drives liberal thinking you may have a different opinion. If all of the US could truly see it many more people would take a firmer stand against it and demand it be removed as a foundation for forming policy. I'm convinced if people talked more about the underlying psychology of liberal thinking more people would resist it.
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Ok. Educate me how you see it.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
I disagree completely.
If you truly understood the wickedness that drives liberal thinking you may have a different opinion. If all of the US could truly see it many more people would take a firmer stand against it and demand it be removed as a foundation for forming policy. I'm convinced if people talked more about the underlying psychology of liberal thinking more people would resist it.
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Agreed entirely.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Fundamental liberal thinking says I'm not responsible for my well being YOU ARE.
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Hmmm, ok. I think I see your point, but I disagree that that is the only spin to it. Another way of looking at it is looking out for your fellow man. Not saying your wrong, but not yet agreeing with it, or counting it as wicked. Are there other aspects to what you count as liberal thinking that help me see your side? To reject it completely as you have, needs a bit more for me to bite. Otherwise it still just seems, at best, identifying ourselves or others either as liberal or conservative is dividing us as a people needlessly and adds the potential for disaster among the crazies in the world who descide to make a violent stand. At worst includes that, but also counts each group as a demographic to minipulate in voting schemes, lies, false promises, and distracting from false hopes of broken promises.

If you, or anyone else, can convince me that liberal agendas are wicked, great maybe I can choose a side instead of trying to make peace or finding the merrit between groups of people that almost sound like a civil war with eachother is peferable.

Give me another reason please.
 
Walking in the flesh is a way of thinking that goes against God word. When your way of thinking lines up with the word of God you are in the spirit. If you don't know the word of God you are in the flesh. The power of God is the Cross of Christ. Human wisdom, and the world's point of view immediately cancels the Cross of Christ. Disconnection from the Cross is disconnection from God's power.

Tony Evans, in his book What a Way to Live, says: “There are Christians who have been set free from spiritual bondage, but who will never enjoy the full rights and privileges they could have inherited in the coming kingdom. That’s because these benefits accrue to believers based on their faithfulness to Christ here on earth.” In other words, “inheritance from the Lord” (co-reigning with Him) is earned; whereas, “sonship” is not.

He who receives God’s Spirit (through Jesus Christ) enters the kingdom; but he who partakes of Christ’s Life and over-comes the world, the flesh and the devil will inherit that kingdom. Thus, the Millennial Kingdom will be inhabited by born-again Christians, but ruled over by faithful and obedient overcoming Christians.

Huge Difference Between Entering & Inheriting the Kingdom for Christians. It’s the prize for being an overcomer and for making choices to live Christ’s Life.
 
iLOVE said:
Walking in the flesh is a way of thinking that goes against God word. When your way of thinking lines up with the word of God you are in the spirit. If you don't know the word of God you are in the flesh. The power of God is the Cross of Christ. Human wisdom, and the world's point of view immediately cancels the Cross of Christ. Disconnection from the Cross is disconnection from God's power.

Tony Evans, in his book What a Way to Live, says: “There are Christians who have been set free from spiritual bondage, but who will never enjoy the full rights and privileges they could have inherited in the coming kingdom. That’s because these benefits accrue to believers based on their faithfulness to Christ here on earth.” In other words, “inheritance from the Lord” (co-reigning with Him) is earned; whereas, “sonship” is not.

He who receives God’s Spirit (through Jesus Christ) enters the kingdom; but he who partakes of Christ’s Life and over-comes the world, the flesh and the devil will inherit that kingdom. Thus, the Millennial Kingdom will be inhabited by born-again Christians, but ruled over by faithful and obedient overcoming Christians.

Huge Difference Between Entering & Inheriting the Kingdom for Christians. It’s the prize for being an overcomer and for making choices to live Christ’s Life.
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love your neighbor. Be kind to the forigner hospital and welcoming to the traveler, pay your workers fairly. All bible verses and liberal concepts.

Reject homosexuality, stand against murder plus knowing God creates us in our mother's womb points to rejecting abortion. Also bible concepts and conservative concepts.

I agree with you ILOVE that we should be loyal to God, but I don't know if you are saying liberal, conservative or neither are the one's following Him. After we die, if we're heaven bound that's good enough for me. It's God's choice to where we will be in His kingdom, or what we will do. Following God and making it to His kingdom is all that matters to me.
 
The word of God is not liberal or conservative. His word is called TRUTH. When you bring in the tradition of man (human knowledge), God calls this sin. We now have something in common with the Devil. We have left the Kingdom of God and entered into the Kingdom of darkness. The scripture says that there is a wisdom that comes from God and a wisdom that comes from below; worldliness - the flesh - and demons. Politics can easily bring Christians into the "Law."

The position that the church should be like the Captain of the Hosts of the Lord in Joshua 5. When Joshua questioned him on whose side He was on, He said neither! He made it clear to Joshua that He represented God’s kingdom alone. It was not a question of what side He was on; the real question was who’s on the Lord’s side.

The church represents the Kingdom of God just as the Captain of the Hosts of the Lord. But too many of us have chosen sides.

The Captain of the Host of the Lord made it clear that He hadn't come to take sides. He had come to take over. God didn't come to take sides; He came to take over.

Not_Now.Soon said:
Following God and making it to His kingdom is all that matters to me.
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Huge Difference Between Entering & Inheriting the Kingdom for Christians. Remember Paul saw things that was unlawful to speak about in the third heaven. He said don't let your reward(s) be taken away from you.
 
Not_Now.Soon said:
Are there other aspects to what you count as liberal thinking that help me see your side?
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If you don't mind doing so, read my last few posts to Barbarian in this thread--http://christianforums.net/Fellowship/index.php?threads/back-at-it-again.62231/page-4.
Maybe it will provoke some more direct discussion between us about the liberal mindset.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
It's not, actually. They try to pawn it off as that, but it's really them insisting that you look out for them while they live carefree, unchallenged, undisciplined, reckless lives.
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I have yet to see a liberal politicIan push fir reform on welfare abuse.
 
Not_Now.Soon said:
I'm not a conservative. I'd like to think I'm not a liberal either, because it seems like our nation is dividing itself up between the two labels and doesn't care to listen to eachother.

I don't know about you, but I don't like the environment where in a liberal group being called a conservative is an insult, and in a conservative group being called a liberal is an insult.
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I will not use the labels, 'liberal or 'conservative' label in this post..

planks in a platform ("Plank" is the term often given to the components of the political platform – the opinions and viewpoints about individual topics, as held by a party, person, or organization.)

The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman's right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay. We oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right. Abortion is an intensely personal decision between a woman, her family, her doctor, and her clergy; there is no place for politicians or government to get in the way. We also recognize that health care and education help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions. We strongly and unequivocally support a woman's decision to have a child by providing affordable health care and ensuring the availability of and access to programs that help women during pregnancy and after the birth of a child, including caring adoption programs.

We support the right of all families to have equal respect, responsibilities, and protections under the law. We support marriage equality and support the movement to secure equal treatment under law for same-sex couples. We also support the freedom of churches and religious entities to decide how to administer marriage as a religious sacrament without government interference.

We oppose discriminatory federal and state constitutional amendments and other attempts to deny equal protection of the laws to committed same-sex couples who seek the same respect and responsibilities as other married couples. We support the full repeal of the so-called Defense of Marriage Act and the passage of the Respect for Marriage Act.

https://www.democrats.org/party-platform Here is the url for this document ..
 
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