A New Thing? (hardly!)

[Elijah674]

The tempting lawyer has his answer given to him in Christ own words! verse 37-38. And this is what I will touch on, the First & Great Commandment! And the rest was then known to be in the Lords before plans. Long before mankind came on the scene! (ETERNAL before knowledge. See Rom. 4:17 last part of the verse)

[35] Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the [[first and great]]commandment.

Man came on the seen as Adam & Eve.

[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. (and ALL THE PROPHETS AGREE! 1 Cor. 14:32 ‘And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets’)

But First this truth needs explaining in detail about the Godheads First Great Commandment! We find only these Commandments written by God on [ONE] Table of Stone. (the other table of Stone has the last.. or rather the other duty of man kind )

But lets zoom in on these FIRST FOUR COMMANDMENTS FIRST!
In Exodus 20 is where they are located.

[1] And God spake all these words, saying,
[2] I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

[3] Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
[4] Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
[5] Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
[6] And [[shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.]]
[7] Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
[8] Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
[9] Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
[10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
[11] For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

This is the Eternal Covenant as seen in 2 Cor. 3:2

[3] Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

And seen in Heb. 10
[15] Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
[16] This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
(the new birth)

This is the First Great Commandment from Christ’s own Words! (His Inspiration)

And it is backed up by the Prophet John in 1 John 2:3-7...

[3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, [[is a liar, and the truth is not in him]].
[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
[6] He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
[7] Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, [but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning.] The [old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning].

OK! If the First Table of Stone will not be kept what in the world is there need of the second one??

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

Elijah here: There is No need to be confused! (you might just run a copy of this for later study?)

The Godhead tells you that They WILL SEAL Their Very OWN! How So?? With an visible mark? Hardly.
THE SEAL OF THE ROYAL LAW OF THE UNIVERSE IS THE SEVENTH DAY SABBATH OF THE LORD GOD!

Law or Gospel, Everlasting Gospel, Everlasting Covenant started when??

"Thy way, O God, [is in the Sanctuary]" Psalms 77:13
Call it what you will? Church, temple, tabernacle, synagogue, [it always] still means that the heavenly Throne Room is the True Sanctuary of God! And to know God, we must find Him in His Sanctuary. Never can earth's denominational teachings be in opposition to God's Way! James 2:8-12 & Ecclesiastes 12:13-14!!

"To the Law and to the testimony: [if] they speak not according to this word, [it is because] there is [no light in them.]" Isaiah 8:20
God wrote the Ten Commandment Covenant Himself & in Deut. 31 we see that Moses also wrote a law. Moses law is to be found..(pay apt attention) "And Moses wrote this law and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, [which bare the ark of the COVENANT OF THE LORD...And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law [in a book,]...That Moses commanded the Levies which bare the [Ark of the of the COVENANT OF THE LORD,] saying, Take this [book of the law, and put it in THE SIDE of the Ark].." Deuteronomy 31:9 & 24-26 in part.
So we see what God has written takes us to the first part only! (of Isaiah. 8:20 'to the Law & to the Testimony')

Now for the Testimony part of Isaiah 8:20 The Testimony of whom? John 1:1-3 tells us it is CHRIST THE WORD! 2 Timothy 3:16 tells us that ALL Scripture is to be used, OK? All the WORD!
Christ told the 'd'evil that "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, [but by EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDETH OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.]" (try Matt. 4: 4.) This is the Word of God, It is the [Eternal Everlasting Gospel, Law & Gospel and Gospel and Law!! They are the same, UNITED, they cannot ever be separated!!]

Now we need to understand that this portion of Isaiah 8:20 was the 'testimony' part trusted to Holy men of God, writing, as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
One part God wrote & the other testimony part called the WORD OF GOD, His trusted men to pen. But please do not miss the Word's WORD.."If they speak not according to this Word, [it is because] there is [no light in them.]"
Speaking Contrary to the [Law} makes one lightness & Christ/less! Remember now the first part of Isaiah. 8:20, that which God did not trust mankind to pen! He wrote it Himself twice! The first time in [rock & the second time] in the 'Fleshy tables of the Heart' Try 2 Corinthians 3:3 & John 3:5-8 Both of these times it was the Godheads work & not man, and it takes [both law & testimony] to have the 'Everlasting Gospel' its impossible to have one without the other & be right with God!

"Bind up the testimony, seal the law among the disciple." Isaiah 8:16
Inside the ten Commandments is the Memorial of the Godheads Creation of earth. Try Ps. 135:13.."Thy name, O Lord, enduerth for ever; and thy [Memorial,] O Lord, throughout [ALL GENERATIONS.]" (Everlasting)

Seal, Sign, Signet, Mark (x?) are all used in the 'testimony' and many times need to be seen as interchangeable.
Seal or sign, Signet? Try Ester 3:12 for Easter's signing of King Ahasuerus important documents & letters. "..in the name of King Ahasuerus was it written, [and sealed with the kings ring.]" try Ester 8:7-8 and verse 10. Have you understood in Luke 15's Prodigal son getting a "..Bring forth the best rob and [put a ring on his hand].." ? v.22, (after his conversion as seen in v. 21) And yes, the Robe meant the Garment of Christ's Righteousness!

The Sabbath Commandment has the same features as the Seal or Ring Signet that this son wore. He could now
Stamp, seal or sign checks so to speak. Vested with full rights, accepted! In the Seal or Signet, (7TH Day Sabbath)
God has His Name, His address, and His Authority & His territory. (ownership, creator, money in the bank) A Seal, Sign, Signet or Mark is in His Sabbath part of the Law, regardless of which wording you choose to use.
"And he shall speak great words against the [Most High,] .....and [think to change [times and laws

.." Daniel 8:25 (how about YOU dear reader??)
The evil one who was once a 'covering cherub' in heaven (check Ezekiel 28:14-19) over the Ark in the Godheads Sanctuary has attempted to do this. This 'he', works through his earthly agents, the same power as is seen in Revelation 17:5 in CAPS, (with her Harlot Daughters) the antichrist of Catholicism, this is THEIR abomination! Remember that inside God's heavenly Ark are His 10 Commandment Covenant! This evil is the one who has attempted to 'Void' out the Universal Royal Law of the Godhead! Has he done a good job so far?? Once saved always saved-Sunday sacredness-Burning in hell [eternally] and on & on we go... for just a little while longer! Requires both a & a !

The final Test for Mankind will be the 666. Man who professes to Love Christ will once again be tested before he inters the land of Canaan. try Exodus 16 4-5 & 28 with v.35 They were tested for 40 years on keeping the Seventh Day Sabbath,
notice that they were tested on [ just this one], the [Memorial of creation] to see if they were OBEDIENT to ALL TEN!!
"..that I may [prove] them, whether they will [walk in my law, or no.]" v. 4 ibid. Do you remember 1 John 2;4? "He that sayeth, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, [is a liar,] and the [truth is not in him.]"

God gives the backup texts for this in Ecclesiastes. 1:9-10 & Ecclesiastes 3:15!! He asks you the question & then He answers you!! Yes, also in Rev. we see this Sabbath & Law Test Repeat!

The testimony from Isaiah. said.. [no light in them] & here the Word or Gospel of Christ say.. [is a liar] and the [truth is not in him.] I want NO PART OF THAT!

"The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; [he will magnify the law,] and make [it honorable." Isaiah 42:21
Christ said to hate is murder, to lust after a person is adultery. Did he 'Void' the law or Magnify it? The Gospel teaches again, through Paul.."Do we make void the law through faith, [God Forbid] yea, [WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.]" Romans 3:31
How did Christ 'Establish' the law? "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but fulfill." Matthew 5:17 To VOID out? Both Prophets & the Covenant? Christ came to live out perfectly His 10 commandment Covenant [and to magnify it.] Notice verse 18-19 .."For verily I say unto you,...Whosoever therefore shall break one of the least commandments, [and shall teach men so,] he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.." Do not believe for one second that any of these will be in heaven!

Daniel 7:10 tells of the judgement being set & the [books] were opened. The only way that these will be there will be by being recorded in recorded books, Lost eternally! And will be declared the "least in the kingdom of heaven' Try Matthew 10:15 & 1Corinthians 6:2-3 & Revelation 20:12 and notice that these in Rev. are clearly stated [AS STANDING & Dead.] The only way for a dead person standing would be by books.

"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth [is not in him.]" 1 John. 2:4
Are we converted? Do we claim to be born again? There is a 'foolproof' way to know! And it has nothing to do with [the feeling good process]. You know? Feel good, go to church, don't feel good, stay home! Or, hay man, I got the spirit!
This is the only way to know if we are [Born Again]..."...The Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that [Obey Him]" Acts 5:32 Friends, Law & Everlasting Gospel cannot be Separated! They are [Both the Same] Gospel [They are Law & Law Is Gospel]!!

"If ye fulfil the [Royal Law]....For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and offend in one point, he [is guilty of all] .... For he that said, Do not commit adultery said also, Do not kill, Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law...[So speak ye, and so do,] as they that shall be [judged by the law of liberty.]"
James 8-12 in part
What dear friend will you do with the Godhead's Seventh Day Sabbath the Memorial of creation? The very Seal of Gods Law!

"Do we make [void the law] through faith? [God forbid; yea, we establish the law.]" Romans 3:31
Only two classes will come through the 666 Mark of the Beast test, the Saved will be faithful as the Gospel teaches.."yea we establish the law." And all the rest go the broad way to destruction. Sad, but true & that is done by their own [freedom] choice.

"For not the [hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.]" Romans 2:13
Try Philippians 4:13 & 2 Corinthians 12:9-10. The [Only way] to be saved, was, and is, by the Master himself! A pledge, a contract by baptism, an agreement! By a Covenant relationship with Jesus, then, we will be Justified.....'But the doers of the law shall be justified'! [Conditional,] It is up to us, the provision has been made, but it is our free choice!!! Not as Cain did in bringing a fruit (Sunday worship for God's Seventh day Sabbath) sacrifice for obedience!!

"But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the [holiest of all] was not yet made manifest..." Hebrews. 9:7-8

And inside the Most Holy Place were the eternal Royal Law of the Godhead-the Ark and the Eternal Mercy Seat in the Sanctuary above. Notice the last two words of the verse below! "THE EVERLASTING COVENANT" It is as Everlasting as the Everlasting Gospel of Rev. 14:6 first part! Eternal!! This is the Eternal Everlasting Gospel! The Good News with the Eternal Law & Gospel!! Try Rev. 21:9-10 & Rev. 11:19

"Jesus Christ the [same yesterday, and today, and for ever." Hebrews.13:8 & verse 20 "Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, [through the blood of the EVERLASTING COVENANT...]"

What IS the [simple requirement] for the saved one to make? Just the Master's Words of.. "[IF] YE LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS."! Again read Ecclesiastes. 12:13-14!!

Your friend in Christ for His quickly finished work, (1 Peter 4:17 & Luke 12:47-4

--Elijah

 

[Jethro Bodine]

The literal Sabbath is no more the seal of God than literal circumcision is/was the seal and sign of being in covenant with God.

What counts is the spiritual reality that the outward only illustrates. Being circumcised outwardly hardly means one is circumcised in heart, where it counts. Ditto for Sabbath keeping. Outward Sabbath keeping hardly means you have entered into and are keeping the true Sabbath Rest ordained by God.

 

[Elijah674]

The literal Sabbath is no more the seal of God than literal circumcision is/was the seal and sign of being in covenant with God.

What counts is the spiritual reality that the outward only illustrates. Being circumcised outwardly hardly means one is circumcised in heart, where it counts. Ditto for Sabbath keeping. Outward Sabbath keeping hardly means you have entered into and are keeping the true Sabbath Rest ordained by God.

Lots of good scripture.

--Elijah

 

[Jethro Bodine]

The literal Sabbath is no more the seal of God than literal circumcision is/was the seal and sign of being in covenant with God.

What counts is the spiritual reality that the outward only illustrates. Being circumcised outwardly hardly means one is circumcised in heart, where it counts. Ditto for Sabbath keeping. Outward Sabbath keeping hardly means you have entered into and are keeping the true Sabbath Rest ordained by God.

Lots of good scripture.

--Elijah

"28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly... 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly..." (Romans 2:28-29 NASB)

Anybody, even a Christ rejecting Jew, can keep a literal Sabbath. It proves NOTHING about whether you have God's seal of approval and protection, or not. Man is the one who judges by legalistic outward appearances, not God.

Now, you who want scripture, stop avoiding this passage and tell us why you think Paul is wrong, and that the Commandments are NOT fulfilled unless we keep a literal Sabbath:

"...he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9 For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”" (Romans 13:8-9 NASB)

 

[Elijah674]

See post two.

--Elijah

 

[Jethro Bodine]

See post two.

--Elijah

"...he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9 For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”" (Romans 13:8-9 NASB)

How is it that "any other commandment" doesn't include the literal Sabbath Commandment?

You're ignoring a very specific piece of scripture to misinterpret other pieces of scripture. That's called 'not rightly dividing the Word of God'.

Don't hammer the scriptures you've been hammering for months now. New evidence has been introduced to challenge the case you are trying to make for required literal Sabbath keeping. Show us why the clear words "any other commandment" doesn't include the literal Sabbath commandment, the 4th commandment. That's what you need to do now.

 

[Sparkey]

See post two.

--Elijah

Is there a disambiguation that could be used while reading along with the 1,919 words found in Post #2 maybe?

As a member of your Staff, I'd like to ask that the guidelines found in the STICKY above Ye Old Apologetics and Theology forum be considered. Here's the link: Posting and Answering Posts in Apologetics and Theology forum.

 

[Elijah674]

A New Thing? (hardly!)

The tempting lawyer has his answer given to him in Christ own words! verse 37-38. And this is what I will touch on, the First & Great Commandment! And the rest was then known to be in the Lords before plans. Long before mankind came on the scene! (ETERNAL before knowledge. See Rom. 4:17 last part of the verse)

[35] Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the [[first and great]]commandment.

Man came on the seen as Adam & Eve.

[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. (and ALL THE PROPHETS AGREE! 1 Cor. 14:32 ‘And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets’)

But First this truth needs explaining in detail about the Godheads First Great Commandment! We find only these Commandments written by God on [ONE] Table of Stone. (the other table of Stone has the last.. or rather the other duty of man kind ) ... (in Part)

--Elijah

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OK! Is the Lords 'First GREAT Commandment' FINISHED? (Malachi 3:6 + Heb. 13:8-9)
This one...
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the [[first and great]]commandment.

And what about this TEMPTING lawyer?

Those are the two questions that I want answered?

--Elijah
​

 

[Jethro Bodine]

OK! Is the Lords 'First GREAT Commandment' FINISHED? (Malachi 3:6 + Heb. 13:8-9)
This one...

Everybody knows the command to love God will endure forever.

How it HAS to be fulfilled has changed. For example, it's no longer required to sacrifice animals for sin as God commanded. Obviously, people who love God would still do that if it were still required, but it is not.

[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the [[first and great]]commandment.

And what about this TEMPTING lawyer?

Those are the two questions that I want answered?

--Elijah
[/INDENT]

What about the lawyer? He got his answer. And Jesus explained, 'Love your neighbor as yourself' is the second greatest command, not 'keep Sabbath', or 'do not have any other gods before me', or 'do not make an image and bow down to it', or 'do not use His name in vain'.

 

[JLB]

A New Thing? (hardly!)

The tempting lawyer has his answer given to him in Christ own words! verse 37-38. And this is what I will touch on, the First & Great Commandment! And the rest was then known to be in the Lords before plans. Long before mankind came on the scene! (ETERNAL before knowledge. See Rom. 4:17 last part of the verse)

[35] Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the [[first and great]]commandment.

Man came on the seen as Adam & Eve.

[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. (and ALL THE PROPHETS AGREE! 1 Cor. 14:32 ‘And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets’)

But First this truth needs explaining in detail about the Godheads First Great Commandment! We find only these Commandments written by God on [ONE] Table of Stone. (the other table of Stone has the last.. or rather the other duty of man kind ) ... (in Part)

--Elijah

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OK! Is the Lords 'First GREAT Commandment' FINISHED? (Malachi 3:6 + Heb. 13:8-9)
This one...
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the [[first and great]]commandment.

And what about this TEMPTING lawyer?

Those are the two questions that I want answered?

--Elijah
​

17 But Jesus answered them, "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working."
18 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God. John 5:18


This is the requirement that the Law of Moses specified, that the Jews were following when they sought to kill Jesus for breaking the Sabbath.


14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Exodus 31:14


Do you think that the Jews were obeying God, when they sought to kill Jesus?


JLB

 

[Elijah674]

No, but you miss the thought that they were ALL professed 7Th Day Sabbath keepers. And Isa. 5:3 tells that LEGALISM (perfect doctrines without Christ that was the choice of most!) was the problem! In other words the Lords doctrines FOLLOW Christ and do not save us, yet when Christ is put FIRST PLACE in ones life, so are His Commandments!

--Elijah

 

[Jethro Bodine]

...when Christ is put FIRST PLACE in ones life, so are His Commandments!

"...whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be..." (Romans 13:8-9 NIV)

And as I showed you, Paul is in fact talking about ALL the Commandments, not just what you call the 'second tablet'. We know this because he said that immorality, impurity, and greed (violations of 2nd tablet rules) is idolatry (a violation of a 1st tablet rule).

"...immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater..." (Ephesians 5:5 NIV)

 

[Elijah674]

You are quoting Rom. 13's second table of stone. So we are to put Caesar ahead of Christ huh? I think not! See Dan. 3:18 + Acts 5:28-29
A these were the Kings of that day giving ORDERS! (we have no king but Caesar... who they needed the approval of to execute Christ!)

Read Rom. 13
[1] Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
[2] Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
[3] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
[4] For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
[5] Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
[6] For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
[7] Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
[8] Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
[9] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

[10] Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Caesar replaces Christ is your teaching? I will not buy that!

--Elijah

 

[Jethro Bodine]

You are quoting Rom. 13's second table of stone. So we are to put Caesar ahead of Christ huh? I think not! See Dan. 3:18 + Acts 5:28-29
A these were the Kings of that day giving ORDERS! (we have no king but Caesar... who they needed the approval of to execute Christ!)

Read Rom. 13
[1] Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
[2] Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
[3] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
[4] For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
[5] Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
[6] For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
[7] Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
[8] Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
[9] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

[10] Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

So as stated, Caesar replaces Christ is your teaching? I will not buy that!

--Elijah

Many of the threads in this forum demonstrate what this thinking looks like that separates 'Love God' from 'Love your neighbor as yourself' as if they can be separated. The thinking is ceremonial worship is more important than how we treat each other. Not even remotely true. This is what the Israelites didn't understand.

As Paul demonstrates in Ephesians 5:5, when we love others (doing them no harm) we are fulfilling the first four Commandments. Some think they are keeping the first four Commandments when they don't love their neighbor as themselves as if the first four are greater Commands than 'love your neighbor as yourself'. But Jesus told us that the next command in line after 'Love God' is 'love your neighbor as yourself', not 'keep Sabbath'.

 

[Elijah674]

You are quoting Rom. 13's second table of stone. So we are to put Caesar ahead of Christ huh? I think not! See Dan. 3:18 + Acts 5:28-29
A these were the Kings of that day giving ORDERS! (we have no king but Caesar... who they needed the approval of to execute Christ!)

Read Rom. 13
[1] Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
[2] Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
[3] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
[4] For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
[5] Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
[6] For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
[7] Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
[8] Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
[9] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

[10] Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

So as stated, Caesar replaces Christ is your teaching? I will not buy that!

--Elijah

Many of the threads in this forum demonstrate what this thinking looks like that separates 'Love God' from 'Love your neighbor as yourself' as if they can be separated. The thinking is ceremonial worship is more important than how we treat each other. Not even remotely true. This is what the Israelites didn't understand.

As Paul demonstrates in Ephesians 5:5, when we love others (doing them no harm) we are fulfilling the first four Commandments. Some think they are keeping the first four Commandments when they don't love their neighbor as themselves as if the first four are greater Commands than 'love your neighbor as yourself'. But Jesus told us that the next command in line after 'Love God' is 'love your neighbor as yourself', not 'keep Sabbath'.

All [[are]] wrong! It is John that straightened this out in 1 John 2
[3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
[6] He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

[7] Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

I know what you 'about all' teach? But being confused has its satanic design! Read 2 Peter 3:16 warning...

[16] As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

[17] Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

And yes, that verse even has the Baptist confussed! (For NOW at least)

--Elijah

 

[Pizzaguy]

All [[are]] wrong! It is John that straightened this out in 1 John 2

I know what you 'about all' teach? But being confused has its satanic design! Read 2 Peter 3:16 warning...

And yes, that verse even has the Baptist confussed! (For NOW at least)

--Elijah

Elijah,

One reason your posts and threads go un-commented-on is illustrated above.
I can't tell what point you are making, or if you agree with Jethro or disagree.

Therefore, I can't add anything - I can't even question you, since I don't know what you mean by any of this.

 

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[Jethro Bodine]

All [[are]] wrong! It is John that straightened this out in 1 John 2
[3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

And Paul says loving our neighbor is to fulfill all of God's commandments. When we love (thus fulfilling God's commandments) we show ourselves to have the truth and the love of God in us. And that is what John says:

"...whoever has the world’s goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him? 18 Little children, let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth. 19 We will know by this that we are of the truth" (1 John 3:17-19 NASB)

 

[Elijah674]

Where does Paul say that.. 'And Paul says loving our neighbor is to [fulfill all] of God's commandments. When we love (thus fulfilling God's commandments) we show ourselves to have the truth and the love of God in us.'

Then why did Christ say that the FIRST GREAT COMMAND is to put GOD FIRST??? Matt. 22:37-38

And loving all? How about the Luke 12:47-48 verses? Or Obadiah in saying that... '... shall swallow down, and BE AS THOUGH THEY HAD NOT BEEN.' ??

--Elijah