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"Revelation 20:3 "And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."


Revelation 20:7 "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison."

Revelation 20:8 "And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea."

Revelation 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

Okay,preterisim teaches that the devil is already destroyed....My question is this,why are people still being deceived?If preterism is correct,which I know it's not,then those who don't believe it,are being deceived....On the other hand if it's not correct than the preterist is being deceived.....Either way one group is being deceived,why?
 
"Revelation 20:3 "And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."


Revelation 20:7 "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison."

Revelation 20:8 "And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea."

Revelation 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

Okay,preterisim teaches that the devil is already destroyed....My question is this,why are people still being deceived?If preterism is correct,which I know it's not,then those who don't believe it,are being deceived....On the other hand if it's not correct than the preterist is being deceived.....Either way one group is being deceived,why?

There is still sin outside the New Jerusalem "gates"

1) The "thousand years" was prophetic (the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy)
God's "fulness of time" (1000 yrs) expired .

2)The warring factions of Israel (whose number was as the sand and the sea) came together to usurp the "true worshipers" in the temple in Jerusalem. The "true temple of God" is the New covenant people, the Israel of God.

3) Who did Jesus accuse of having the devil as their father? The nationalistic Jews. God's plan was to have part of Israel "blinded" Only the 1/3 Remnant "at the present time" (Paul's time) were saved by grace. Romans 11:5 NKJV

Lastly, we know from Dan7 and Rev13 who the individual "beast" was. That his body was "given to the flames" in Daniel's prophecy. Nero was the beast of Revelation - the fulfilment of Dan.7.

The false prophet we believe was the Jewish High priest.
 
Full preterism teaches , all eschatological prophecy has come to pass, the Great White Throne Judgment, including the resurrection, the destruction of satan, and the Second Coming of Christ.
This view is not a part of Cfnets Statement of Faith.

Cfnet holds the view full preterism is heresy.
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If God made them in His Image and likeness then they had a body that was intended to live forever in a sinless eternal state of being.

This only works if you also believe God the Father has a physical body made of dust and spit, which is unbiblical.
 
If God made them in His Image and likeness then they had a body that was intended to live forever in a sinless eternal state of being.

This only works if you also believe God the Father has a physical body made of dust and spit, which is unbiblical.

Were they created in the image and likeness of God? Yes.

Does that mean they were created with the same properties as God. No.

Jesus is the only Son with those properties.

Were Adam and Eve intended to live forever?


JLB
 
Had our perfect God created them perfectly, with the intention they live forever, then their disobedience would not have had fatal consequences, and they would never have had a need for Christ, who is God. The tree of life would have been superfluous.
 
Had our perfect God created them perfectly, with the intention they live forever, then their disobedience would not have had fatal consequences, and they would never have had a need for Christ, who is God. The tree of life would have been superfluous.



Did God intend to create them perfect...?

Did God say?....

Yeah, I hear you.


JLB
 
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Okay,preterisim teaches that the devil is already destroyed....My question is this,why are people still being deceived?If preterism is correct,which I know it's not,then those who don't believe it,are being deceived....On the other hand if it's not correct than the preterist is being deceived.....Either way one group is being deceived,why?

The Bible, and therefore preterism, teaches that the Devil suffers in his sin for eternity, so it would appear your objection has more to do with the location of the eternal suffering/sin state than with the eternal existence of suffering/sin itself...And since the Bible, and therefore preterism also teaches that that "location" of the eternal sin/suffering state is "outside the gates of the New Jerusalem", and NOT Inside it's gates, I'm really not sure what you are so worried about?

The Bible, and therefore preterism, teaches that people are tempted and drawn away by their OWN lusts and desires - no devil necessary.
Human beings are fully capable of the most grievous of sin wholly apart from ANY satanic influence whatsoever.

The Bible, and therefore preterism, teaches that for the elect there is victory, total and complete right here right now, and for the unelect there will NEVER be victory, not here and now nor after some supposed perfect future physical state.
There is no level of victory over Satan that exceeds what we the elect have today, thanks to the perfect work of Christ on the cross.

And to your last point, a "lack of clarity or understanding" about this topic hardly equates to "being deceived"...Milk before meat don't ya know
 
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Okay,preterisim teaches that the devil is already destroyed....My question is this,why are people still being deceived?If preterism is correct,which I know it's not,then those who don't believe it,are being deceived....On the other hand if it's not correct than the preterist is being deceived.....Either way one group is being deceived,why?

The Bible, and therefore preterism, teaches that the Devil suffers in his sin for eternity, so it would appear your objection has more to do with the location of the eternal suffering/sin state than with the eternal existence of suffering/sin itself...And since the Bible, and therefore preterism also teaches that that "location" of the eternal sin/suffering state is "outside the gates of the New Jerusalem", and NOT Inside it's gates, I'm really not sure what you are so worried about?

The Bible, and therefore preterism, teaches that people are tempted and drawn away by their OWN lusts and desires - no devil necessary.
Human beings are fully capable of the most grievous of sin wholly apart from ANY satanic influence whatsoever.

The Bible, and therefore preterism, teaches that for the elect there is victory, total and complete right here right now, and for the unelect there will NEVER be victory, not here and now nor after some supposed perfect future physical state.
There is no level of victory over Satan that exceeds what we the elect have today, thanks to the perfect work of Christ on the cross.

And to your last point, a "lack of clarity or understanding" about this topic hardly equates to "being deceived"...Milk before meat don't ya know

All the body of Christ present and accounted for -

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep . 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The scripture teaches that when Jesus returns ALL the dead in Christ will be resurrected and those of the Body of Christ that remain wil be caught together with them. All the people that were ever Christians, all the people now who are Christian, and all the people who ever will be Christians will be resurrected, at the same time, when He returns at the end of the age.

Therefore Preterism is Heresy!

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written , Death is swallowed up in victory. 1 Corinthians 15:53-54

If a Christian still has flesh on his bones the Jesus has not returned!

Therefore Preterism is Heresy!

Heretics will not enter God's Kingdom.

JLB
 
Jesus has a resurrected glorified body.
Acts 2:30 Therefore (David) being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Do you have scripture showing Jesus was given a different body, and when do you think He received it? Thanks.
 
He did when Tomas doubted.... Jesus ate and drank on the road to Emmaus

That resurrected body was initially unrecognizable as Jesus' to His followers, yet because it still bore the earthly scars of His crucifixion it was not at that time a perfected and glorified body. Still flesh and blood, yet changed. Who knows what changes full glorification could bring to our bodies?
 
adam and eve had to eat of the tree of life to live forever. if they didn't they why did God thrust them out of eden?
 
If God made them in His Image and likeness then they had a body that was intended to live forever in a sinless eternal state of being.


Were Adam and Eve intended to live forever?


JLB
What is your answer to that?

Were they created with procreative organs?

When Adam was alone, and God described the beasts and birds, it said that they were made 'after their kind'. The plants and fruits were also to bear seed.

Then he says that there was not found a help meet suitable for Adam [after his kind].

The intended purpose of seed and procreation 'after their kind' is to replenish and reproduce. This implies a necessary intended term or lifespan of the life that physically produces the seed. Otherwise the earth would have been overpopulated within a few thousand years.

If a day is as 1000 yrs, and a 'day' is also used as a reference to a mans lifespan; when God told Adam that 'in the day you eat thereof, you shall surely die; I believe that he was not invoking a new 'death' but declaring the shortening of his lifespan to be within the 1000 yr "day". Adam lived 930 yrs, shortened by 70 yrs [hmmmm 70.... where does that number occur elsewhere?] . He/They ALSO incurred immediate spiritual separation from confidence of God's presence that DAY as evidenced in their shame and trying to hide from him.

The culprit was the stimulative, conditional law of 2 trees along with the presence of an injector of twisted words into their data collector [brain].

At the end of Revelation, both the stipulations of two trees and the serpent [lies, doubt, twisting] are cast out for those who are 'within' the kingdom. There is one law [one tree] of justification by faith. Rom 3:27-31; John 4:28,29; 1 John 3:21-23; Matt 16:13-19.

In Is 65 the lifespans are declared to generally be in the 100 yr time-frame as compared with 70-80 yrs under law.

In Is 60:22 it says A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the Lord will hasten it in his time.

In the context of the surrounding chapters, the 'nation' is the nation of christian believes at that time. See Is 66:8, 65:15 and 26:2,15.
But how does or did s a 'little one' become a thousand? How much short of 1000 did the first Adam live?....

Some food and ideas intended for thought.
 
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If God made them in His Image and likeness then they had a body that was intended to live forever in a sinless eternal state of being.




Were Adam and Eve intended to live forever?


JLB
What is your answer to that?

Were they created with procreative organs?

When Adam was alone, and God described the beasts and birds, it said that they were made 'after their kind'. The plants and fruits were also to bear seed.

Then he says that there was not found a help meet suitable for Adam [after his kind].

The intended purpose of seed and procreation 'after their kind' is to replenish and reproduce. This implies a necessary intended term or lifespan of the life that physically produces the seed. Otherwise the earth would have been overpopulated within a few thousand years.

If a day is as 1000 yrs, and a 'day' is also used as a reference to a mans lifespan; when God told Adam that 'in the day you eat thereof, you shall surely die; I believe that he was not invoking a new 'death' but declaring the shortening of his lifespan to be within the 1000 yr "day". Adam lived 930 yrs, shortened by 70 yrs [hmmmm 70.... where does that number occur elsewhere?] . He/They ALSO incurred immediate spiritual separation from confidence of God's presence that DAY as evidenced in their shame and trying to hide from him.

The culprit was the stimulative, conditional law of 2 trees along with the presence of an injector of twisted words into their data collector [brain].

At the end of Revelation, both the stipulations of two trees and the serpent [lies, doubt, twisting] are cast out for those who are 'within' the kingdom. There is one law [one tree] of justification by faith. Rom 3:27-31; John 4:28,29; 1 John 3:21-23; Matt 16:13-19.

In Is 65 the lifespans are declared to generally be in the 100 yr time-frame as compared with 70-80 yrs under law.

In Is 60:22 it says A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the Lord will hasten it in his time.

In the context of the surrounding chapters, the 'nation' is the nation of christian believes at that time. See Is 66:8, 65:15 and 26:2,15.
But how does or did s a 'little one' become a thousand? How much short of 1000 did the first Adam live?....

Some food and ideas intended for thought.


Were Adam and Eve intended to live forever?


JLB
 
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