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Were Adam and Eve intended to live forever?


JLB
What is your answer to that?

Were they created with procreative organs?

When Adam was alone, and God described the beasts and birds, it said that they were made 'after their kind'. The plants and fruits were also to bear seed.

Then he says that there was not found a help meet suitable for Adam [after his kind].

The intended purpose of seed and procreation 'after their kind' is to replenish and reproduce. This implies a necessary intended term or lifespan of the life that physically produces the seed. Otherwise the earth would have been overpopulated within a few thousand years.

If a day is as 1000 yrs, and a 'day' is also used as a reference to a mans lifespan; when God told Adam that 'in the day you eat thereof, you shall surely die; I believe that he was not invoking a new 'death' but declaring the shortening of his lifespan to be within the 1000 yr "day". Adam lived 930 yrs, shortened by 70 yrs [hmmmm 70.... where does that number occur elsewhere?] . He/They ALSO incurred immediate spiritual separation from confidence of God's presence that DAY as evidenced in their shame and trying to hide from him.

The culprit was the stimulative, conditional law of 2 trees along with the presence of an injector of twisted words into their data collector [brain].

At the end of Revelation, both the stipulations of two trees and the serpent [lies, doubt, twisting] are cast out for those who are 'within' the kingdom. There is one law [one tree] of justification by faith. Rom 3:27-31; John 4:28,29; 1 John 3:21-23; Matt 16:13-19.

In Is 65 the lifespans are declared to generally be in the 100 yr time-frame as compared with 70-80 yrs under law.

In Is 60:22 it says A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the Lord will hasten it in his time.

In the context of the surrounding chapters, the 'nation' is the nation of christian believes at that time. See Is 66:8, 65:15 and 26:2,15.
But how does or did s a 'little one' become a thousand? How much short of 1000 did the first Adam live?....

Some food and ideas intended for thought.


Were Adam and Eve intended to live forever?


JLB

No.
 
Jesus has a resurrected glorified body.
Acts 2:30 Therefore (David) being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Do you have scripture showing Jesus was given a different body, and when do you think He received it? Thanks.

Well, I think sometimes after His resurrection, He was in flesh but other times He wasn't? Weren't the doors locked and Jesus came through a wall to the disciples. How many times did He appear to them?
 
Jesus has a resurrected glorified body.
Acts 2:30 Therefore (David) being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Do you have scripture showing Jesus was given a different body, and when do you think He received it? Thanks.

Well, I think sometimes after His resurrection, He was in flesh but other times He wasn't? Weren't the doors locked and Jesus came through a wall to the disciples. How many times did He appear to them?

Suppose He was in the flesh at all times He was here, but had an authority over that flesh (and all creation for that matter) which we can't comprehend that allowed Him to do the miraculous.
 
Suppose He was in the flesh at all times He was here, but had an authority over that flesh (and all creation for that matter) which we can't comprehend that allowed Him to do the miraculous.


Could be. There is when He told Mary not to touch Him because He had not ascended to the Father yet. Then later He allowed Thomas to touch Him. So I'm not sure about all that.
 
Suppose He was in the flesh at all times He was here, but had an authority over that flesh (and all creation for that matter) which we can't comprehend that allowed Him to do the miraculous.


Could be. There is when He told Mary not to touch Him because He had not ascended to the Father yet. Then later He allowed Thomas to touch Him. So I'm not sure about all that.

It is not the act of physically touching Him that He cautioned Mary about. Rather He didn't want her to cling to (be satisfied with) the presence of His resurrected body, when it was His ascension (bodily leaving) that would allow for the coming of the Holy Spirit as our Comforter.
 
It is not the act of physically touching Him that He cautioned Mary about. Rather He didn't want her to cling to (be satisfied with) the presence of His resurrected body, when it was His ascension (bodily leaving) that would allow for the coming of the Holy Spirit as our Comforter.


Oh, that makes sense. Thanks. Need to go read it again!
 
Were Adam and Eve intended to live forever?


JLB
What is your answer to that?

Were they created with procreative organs?

When Adam was alone, and God described the beasts and birds, it said that they were made 'after their kind'. The plants and fruits were also to bear seed.

Then he says that there was not found a help meet suitable for Adam [after his kind].

The intended purpose of seed and procreation 'after their kind' is to replenish and reproduce. This implies a necessary intended term or lifespan of the life that physically produces the seed. Otherwise the earth would have been overpopulated within a few thousand years.

If a day is as 1000 yrs, and a 'day' is also used as a reference to a mans lifespan; when God told Adam that 'in the day you eat thereof, you shall surely die; I believe that he was not invoking a new 'death' but declaring the shortening of his lifespan to be within the 1000 yr "day". Adam lived 930 yrs, shortened by 70 yrs [hmmmm 70.... where does that number occur elsewhere?] . He/They ALSO incurred immediate spiritual separation from confidence of God's presence that DAY as evidenced in their shame and trying to hide from him.

The culprit was the stimulative, conditional law of 2 trees along with the presence of an injector of twisted words into their data collector [brain].

At the end of Revelation, both the stipulations of two trees and the serpent [lies, doubt, twisting] are cast out for those who are 'within' the kingdom. There is one law [one tree] of justification by faith. Rom 3:27-31; John 4:28,29; 1 John 3:21-23; Matt 16:13-19.

In Is 65 the lifespans are declared to generally be in the 100 yr time-frame as compared with 70-80 yrs under law.

In Is 60:22 it says A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the Lord will hasten it in his time.

In the context of the surrounding chapters, the 'nation' is the nation of christian believes at that time. See Is 66:8, 65:15 and 26:2,15.
But how does or did s a 'little one' become a thousand? How much short of 1000 did the first Adam live?....

Some food and ideas intended for thought.


Were Adam and Eve intended to live forever?


JLB

No.

They were made in the Image and likeness of God, and had access to the tree of life.

What part of that shows that God intended for them to die.

They were not only a body.

Their bodies had no sin.

By saying, "in the day you eat of it, you will surely die", indicates that they would live forever, if they did not disobey.


JLB
 
Were Adam and Eve intended to live forever?


JLB

No.

They were made in the Image and likeness of God, and had access to the tree of life.

What part of that shows that God intended for them to die.

They were not only a body.

Their bodies had no sin.

By saying, "in the day you eat of it, you will surely die", indicates that they would live forever, if they did not disobey.


JLB
Adam and Eve could only live forever if they partook of the tree of life, but clearly they had not yet before they sinned. Thus they were cast out of the garden so that they could not in their sinful state still take of the tree of life on their own.

Gen 3:22 ¶ And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23 - Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
Gen 3:24 - So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
 
Were Adam and Eve intended to live forever?


JLB

No.

They were made in the Image and likeness of God, and had access to the tree of life.

What part of that shows that God intended for them to die.

They were not only a body.

Their bodies had no sin.

By saying, "in the day you eat of it, you will surely die", indicates that they would live forever, if they did not disobey.


JLB
Adam and Eve could only live forever if they partook of the tree of life, but clearly they had not yet before they sinned. Thus they were cast out of the garden so that they could not in their sinful state still take of the tree of life on their own.

Gen 3:22 ¶ And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23 - Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
Gen 3:24 - So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

God intended them to live forever.

That was His original intent.

They were to be fruitful and multiply in the righteous sinless state, and to partake of the tree of life.


JLB
 
God intended them to live forever.

That was His original intent.

They were to be fruitful and multiply in the righteous sinless state, and to partake of the tree of life.

Where do you find the Scripture for such a bold statement?

Rev_13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

This verse Rev 13:8 I read to say The Cross of Christ was the plan from the beginning....
 
Psa 116:15 - Precious in the sight of the LORD [is] the death of his saints.

Clearly God doesn't perceive physical death as we do.
 
God intended them to live forever.

That was His original intent.

They were to be fruitful and multiply in the righteous sinless state, and to partake of the tree of life.

Where do you find the Scripture for such a bold statement?

Rev_13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

This verse Rev 13:8 I read to say The Cross of Christ was the plan from the beginning....

Are you saying it was God's intent for Adam and Eve to sin?

I read the account of the creation and purpose of man as


26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth." Genesis 1:26-28


8 The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed. 9 And out of the ground the Lord God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.


16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."


These verses teaches that -

Man was made in the Image and likeness of God.

Man was given access to the tree of Life.

Man was warned not to disobey or the result would be that he would die.

God's intent was that Man would obey Him and therefore never die.

God did not intend that man would intentionally disobey Him.

God gave man a free will and a choice to obey or disobey.

God does see the end from the beginning and plans according to the counsel of His will.


JLB
 
God intended them to live forever.

That was His original intent.

They were to be fruitful and multiply in the righteous sinless state, and to partake of the tree of life
As you have asked many times where is your scripture to back your beliefs?

Being so bold as to state Gods original intent... Where did this knowledge come from?
 
God intended them to live forever.

That was His original intent.

They were to be fruitful and multiply in the righteous sinless state, and to partake of the tree of life
As you have asked many times where is your scripture to back your beliefs?

Being so bold as to state Gods original intent... Where did this knowledge come from?

These are the scriptures that lead me to believe that God intended Adam and Eve to live and not die.

Because they were made like God in the Image of God.


26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth." Genesis 1:26-28


8 The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed. 9 And out of the ground the Lord God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.


16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."

God freely gave them access to the tree of Life with no restrictions, as long as they did not disobey.

These verses teaches that -

Man was made in the Image and likeness of God.

Man was given access to the tree of Life.

Man was warned not to disobey or the result would be that he would die.

God's intent was that Man would obey Him and therefore never die.

These are the scriptures that I posted, that gives us an idea of His intent.

Please answer my question -


Are you saying it was God's intent for Adam and Eve to sin?


JLB
 
JLB you ask for clear direct scriptures from other folks not accepting their conclusions, yet you are asking me to accept your conclusions . Double standard?
 
JLB you ask for clear direct scriptures from other folks not accepting their conclusions, yet you are asking me to accept your conclusions . Double standard?

I'm sorry you like the scriptures that pertain to this matter.

That is what I see in the scriptures i posted, God's intent.

Do you believe it was God's intent that Adam and Eve should sin and therefore die.

JLB
 
These are the scriptures that lead me to believe that God intended Adam and Eve to live and not die.

Because they were made like God in the Image of God.
If God did not know the result of creation before its fruition to sin, why do we read in Revelation 13:8, ". . the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." Do you think God knew beforehand the sacrifice He would offer for Adam and Eve, or was He caught by surprise?

Who is God's image that Adam & Eve should be made like unto Him? And to go further with this, Romans 8:29 says "For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren."
 
Jesus died bodily even though He was sinless, so I see no reason why Adam and Eve were ever intended for an eternal physical life before their first sin.
 
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