Bible Study Are The Laws Done Away With?

[JLB]

For the saved, they establish the righteous standards of God, and become the commandments of Christ, where love (agape) fulfills the Law.

Amen.


JLB

 

[Johann!@#]

That is incorrect. Daniel was always in the Hebrew Tanakh within the Ketuvim (the Psalms or Writings). There are three divisions within this section:
Sifrei Emet (Poetic) -- Psalms, Proverbs, Job (total 3 books)
The Five Megilloth -- Song of Songs, Ruth, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes, Esther (total 5 books)
Other books -- Daniel, Ezra-Nehemiah (one book), Chronicles (one book) (total 3 books)
Grand Total = 11 books

Your breakdown of the Ketuvim (Writings) in the Hebrew Tanakh is mostly correct, but there are a few important clarifications and adjustments to make.

1. Placement of Daniel-
You are correct that Daniel is placed within the Ketuvim (Writings) rather than the Nevi'im (Prophets) in the Hebrew Bible. This distinguishes it from the Christian Old Testament, where Daniel is grouped with the prophetic books.

2. Structure of the Ketuvim-
The Ketuvim consists of 11 books and is traditionally divided into three sections, but the categorization you provided is slightly inaccurate.

a. Sifrei Emet (Poetic Books):
Psalms (Tehillim)

Proverbs (Mishlei)

Job (Iyyov)

These are grouped together due to their poetic and literary style.

b. The Five Megillot (Scrolls):
Song of Songs (Shir HaShirim)

Ruth (Rut)

Lamentations (Eikhah)

Ecclesiastes (Qohelet)

Esther (Ester)

These scrolls are traditionally read during specific Jewish festivals.

c. Other Books:
Daniel (Daniyel)

Ezra-Nehemiah (Ezra and Nechemya as one book)

Chronicles (Divrei HaYamim, considered one book)

These are more historical or apocalyptic in nature compared to the poetic and festival texts.

3. Total and Conclusion:
Total number of books in the Ketuvim: 11

Your overall count is correct, but the division into three sections is traditionally seen as Poetic Books (3), Five Megillot (5), and Other Books (3) rather than separating the poetic and megillot sections as distinctly as you presented.

Nothing serious brother.

Johann.

 

[Johann!@#]

To all those who think that all the laws have been fulfilled in Christ you are very wrong as below are the laws that are written upon our heart and can only be fulfilled when Christ returns and makes an end to sin by throwing it into the lake of fire with that of the beast and the false prophets. The only laws that Christ has fulfilled so far are that of the Temple and its sacrifices. Someone please show me in scripture where Jesus has fulfilled all the laws, because in Matthew 22:35-40 and Matthew 5:17, 18 Jesus does not say that he has already fulfilled all of them, but that love was the greatest of them all.

There are laws (commandments) of God that were especially written just for the Hebrews pertaining to the rituals of the Temple, sacrifices, festivals, Torah, Kohanim and Levites, the King and the Nazarite. Then there are the existing moral laws (commandments) for all of us to still follow as in prayers and blessings, love and brotherhood. The poor and unfortunate, treatment of the Gentiles, Marriage, divorce and family. Forbidden sexual relations, business practices, employees and servants. Vows, oaths, swearing, Court and Judicial procedures. Injuries and damages, property and property rights, criminal laws. Prophecy, idolatry and all its practices as the moral laws (commandments) keep us in line with the will of God.

We need to present ourselves a vessel of honor that God delights in as we allow the light of Christ shine in us and through us. This is a testimony of Gods grace and mercy as it is not ourselves that do any good thing, but Gods Spirit working in us and through us as we surrender our will to that of Gods will to be done.

Morality in God is His greatest commandment of love as we treat others as we want others to treat us. God is love and wants us to love and treat others as He loves and treats us.

Want to share this--
Today’s big question: where is Jesus in the moral law?

We have previously considered how Jesus is the fulfillment of prophecies, sacrifices, and even the Law. In the account of Jesus and the rich young ruler, we saw Jesus remind the young man of the moral law given in the Ten Commandments. The ruler then had the audacity to stand before Jesus and claim to have kept it from his youth.

When we consider who Jesus really is, the response from the young man is quite a revelation to us. How easy it is to fall into the trap of overconfidence in ourselves.

Jesus stood before this man as God incarnate. He is fully God and therefore fully good. He is also fully man, and as an Israelite He subjected Himself to the requirements of the Law. No other man has ever
kept the Law, not even the rich young ruler. Jesus however not only kept the Law, but as God, He gave the law. He totally fulfilled the law in both letter and spirit.

What does this mean for us? The standard has been raised. In Hebrews we repeatedly read how Jesus is the great fulfillment of all things including the Law. We are constantly reminded that all things have become much more in Jesus. Hebrews 10:29 therefore tells us that rejecting Jesus is worthy of the greatest judgment. We can strive all we want to keep the Law, but the great Keeper and Perfecter of the Law has done what we have not. If we look to the Law for moral goodness apart from Christ we miss the forest for the trees.

Jesus is our standard. He has always been the standard, because the Law itself always pointed to Him and is based on His perfectly good nature. Only through the substitutionary atonement of Christ can we become good. It’s not our goodness, and it’s not goodness we can earn, but it is the goodness that is perfected, fulfilled, and completed in Him and granted to those of us who know Him as Savior.

Christ is our Law. There is no good apart from Him. The rich young ruler went back to his life attempting to work for goodness and unwilling to receive the goodness only found in Jesus.

When Jesus asks you the question to give up your toiling life and follow Him, what will your reaction be?

Today’s big idea: the measurement of our goodness can only be based on our acceptance of Jesus, because we have no goodness of our own.

What to pray: ask the Lord to forgive you for putting false confidence in your own ability to keep the Law. Rest in Him alone.

Where Is Jesus in the Moral Law?

Steve Ham, AiG–U.S., continues to examine the Lord's encounter with the rich young ruler.

answersingenesis.org

Johann.

 

[deepfaithpraise]

Want to share this--
Today’s big question: where is Jesus in the moral law?

We have previously considered how Jesus is the fulfillment of prophecies, sacrifices, and even the Law. In the account of Jesus and the rich young ruler, we saw Jesus remind the young man of the moral law given in the Ten Commandments. The ruler then had the audacity to stand before Jesus and claim to have kept it from his youth.

When we consider who Jesus really is, the response from the young man is quite a revelation to us. How easy it is to fall into the trap of overconfidence in ourselves.

Jesus stood before this man as God incarnate. He is fully God and therefore fully good. He is also fully man, and as an Israelite He subjected Himself to the requirements of the Law. No other man has ever kept the Law, not even the rich young ruler. Jesus however not only kept the Law, but as God, He gave the law. He totally fulfilled the law in both letter and spirit.

What does this mean for us? The standard has been raised. In Hebrews we repeatedly read how Jesus is the great fulfillment of all things including the Law. We are constantly reminded that all things have become much more in Jesus. Hebrews 10:29 therefore tells us that rejecting Jesus is worthy of the greatest judgment. We can strive all we want to keep the Law, but the great Keeper and Perfecter of the Law has done what we have not. If we look to the Law for moral goodness apart from Christ we miss the forest for the trees.

Jesus is our standard. He has always been the standard, because the Law itself always pointed to Him and is based on His perfectly good nature. Only through the substitutionary atonement of Christ can we become good. It’s not our goodness, and it’s not goodness we can earn, but it is the goodness that is perfected, fulfilled, and completed in Him and granted to those of us who know Him as Savior.

Christ is our Law. There is no good apart from Him. The rich young ruler went back to his life attempting to work for goodness and unwilling to receive the goodness only found in Jesus.

When Jesus asks you the question to give up your toiling life and follow Him, what will your reaction be?

Today’s big idea: the measurement of our goodness can only be based on our acceptance of Jesus, because we have no goodness of our own.

What to pray: ask the Lord to forgive you for putting false confidence in your own ability to keep the Law. Rest in Him alone.

Where Is Jesus in the Moral Law?

Steve Ham, AiG–U.S., continues to examine the Lord's encounter with the rich young ruler.

answersingenesis.org

Johann.

Thanks for sharing this awesome reflection! The story of the rich young ruler always hits me hard, and you nailed it with how easy it is to get cocky about our own goodness. I love how you pointed out that Jesus isn’t just some guy following the Law—He’s the one who gave it and lived it perfectly. That really puts things in perspective.

The way you tied Jesus to the moral law as the standard we can never reach on our own is so powerful. It’s humbling to realize we can’t earn our way to goodness, but super comforting to know Christ’s work covers us. That call to stop toiling and just follow Him? It’s such a clear reminder to lean on His grace instead of our own efforts. Your post makes me want to pause and pray, like you suggested, to let go of any pride and rest in Jesus.

 

[for_his_glory]

Want to share this--
Today’s big question: where is Jesus in the moral law?

We have previously considered how Jesus is the fulfillment of prophecies, sacrifices, and even the Law. In the account of Jesus and the rich young ruler, we saw Jesus remind the young man of the moral law given in the Ten Commandments. The ruler then had the audacity to stand before Jesus and claim to have kept it from his youth.

When we consider who Jesus really is, the response from the young man is quite a revelation to us. How easy it is to fall into the trap of overconfidence in ourselves.

Jesus stood before this man as God incarnate. He is fully God and therefore fully good. He is also fully man, and as an Israelite He subjected Himself to the requirements of the Law. No other man has ever
kept the Law, not even the rich young ruler. Jesus however not only kept the Law, but as God, He gave the law. He totally fulfilled the law in both letter and spirit.

What does this mean for us? The standard has been raised. In Hebrews we repeatedly read how Jesus is the great fulfillment of all things including the Law. We are constantly reminded that all things have become much more in Jesus. Hebrews 10:29 therefore tells us that rejecting Jesus is worthy of the greatest judgment. We can strive all we want to keep the Law, but the great Keeper and Perfecter of the Law has done what we have not. If we look to the Law for moral goodness apart from Christ we miss the forest for the trees.

Jesus is our standard. He has always been the standard, because the Law itself always pointed to Him and is based on His perfectly good nature. Only through the substitutionary atonement of Christ can we become good. It’s not our goodness, and it’s not goodness we can earn, but it is the goodness that is perfected, fulfilled, and completed in Him and granted to those of us who know Him as Savior.

Christ is our Law. There is no good apart from Him. The rich young ruler went back to his life attempting to work for goodness and unwilling to receive the goodness only found in Jesus.

When Jesus asks you the question to give up your toiling life and follow Him, what will your reaction be?

Today’s big idea: the measurement of our goodness can only be based on our acceptance of Jesus, because we have no goodness of our own.

What to pray: ask the Lord to forgive you for putting false confidence in your own ability to keep the Law. Rest in Him alone.

Where Is Jesus in the Moral Law?

Steve Ham, AiG–U.S., continues to examine the Lord's encounter with the rich young ruler.

answersingenesis.org

Johann.

You can share this, but please give me the credit to others that I wrote this.

Jesus is within all 613 Levitical laws (Look up the 613 laws) as the ten commandments are a part of them. The greatest commandment is love in whom Christ is the fulfillment of all the laws as the greatest is love He has given all of us within His birth, death and resurrection. We no longer keep the Temple laws that make up so much of the 613 that were given to the Jews as now those who are in Christ are the pure Temple of God, 1Corinthians 3:16-17. The moral laws, as I gave in post #4, are what we still need to follow.

 

[Johann!@#]

You can share this, but please give me the credit to others that I wrote this.

My apologies--I didn’t read your response carefully and did give proper credit. However, I noticed some inconsistencies in what you wrote to me just now. That said, I also know from experience that correction isn’t usually welcomed, so I’ll refrain from posting on your thread.

God bless.

Johann.