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I have had to slow down on these with my work load offline, but they definitely encourage me. I love these discussions. For here, how have you tasted and seen the Lord as good?


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I have had to slow down on these with my work load offline, but they definitely encourage me. I love these discussions. For here, how have you tasted and seen the Lord as good?


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He's big into Psalm 34 right now I take it. :)

Not a problem. I have days where I can do a little posting here and there, but I can go for stretches where I am pretty heavy into research.

About this verse, I was reading just the other day in Hebrews about those who have "tasted of the heavenly gift," meaning they have received the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, and how if they fall away after this there is no more forgiveness of sins, seeing as how they crucify the Son of God anew and put Him to an open shame by rejecting Him after they had become intimate with Him through the outpouring (it essentially amounts to blasphemy against the Holy Spirit).

Interesting too that Peter made reference to tasting of the Lord, and compared it to the Israelites tasting of the water that came from the rock when Moses struck it with his rod in the wilderness.

1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, 2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: 3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious. 4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious... (1 Peter 2:1-4)

He mixes three analogies at the same time in this passage because it is content-heavy, but I think tasting of the "living waters" of the Holy Spirit is the ultimate fulfillment of this analogy. As Jesus said in another place, "out of their belly shall flow rivers of living water":

37 On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, "If any man thirst, let him come unto Me and drink. 38 He that believes on Me, as the scripture has said, "Out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water." 39 (But He spake this of the Spirit, which they that believe on Him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) (John 7:37-39)

King David was very familiar with the outpouring of the Spirit, and thus would have known all about what it was like to "taste of the Lord." As it says in 1st Samuel:

13 Then Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed David in the presence of his brothers, and the Spirit of the Lord came upon David from that day forward. (1 Samuel 16:13)

David later cried out to God in Psalm 51, pleading with Him, "Do not cast away from me Your Presence, and do not take Your Holy Spirit from me." He understood that through sin he might lose the empowerment and blessing of the Holy Spirit upon his life, much like Samson did.

Whenever you have time for these things, it's cool by me. Now and again is cool. :)
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Christ_empowered: In case you're still interested, here's another one, brother.
 

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He's big into Psalm 34 right now I take it. :)

Not a problem. I have days where I can do a little posting here and there, but I can go for stretches where I am pretty heavy into research.

About this verse, I was reading just the other day in Hebrews about those who have "tasted of the heavenly gift," meaning they have received the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, and how if they fall away after this there is no more forgiveness of sins, seeing as how they crucify the Son of God anew and put Him to an open shame by rejecting Him after they had become intimate with Him through the outpouring (it essentially amounts to blasphemy against the Holy Spirit).

Interesting too that Peter made reference to tasting of the Lord, and compared it to the Israelites tasting of the water that came from the rock when Moses struck it with his rod in the wilderness.

1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, 2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: 3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious. 4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious... (1 Peter 2:1-4)

He mixes three analogies at the same time in this passage because it is content-heavy, but I think tasting of the "living waters" of the Holy Spirit is the ultimate fulfillment of this analogy. As Jesus said in another place, "out of their belly shall flow rivers of living water":

37 On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, "If any man thirst, let him come unto Me and drink. 38 He that believes on Me, as the scripture has said, "Out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water." 39 (But He spake this of the Spirit, which they that believe on Him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) (John 7:37-39)

King David was very familiar with the outpouring of the Spirit, and thus would have known all about what it was like to "taste of the Lord." As it says in 1st Samuel:

13 Then Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed David in the presence of his brothers, and the Spirit of the Lord came upon David from that day forward. (1 Samuel 16:13)

David later cried out to God in Psalm 51, pleading with Him, "Do not cast away from me Your Presence, and do not take Your Holy Spirit from me." He understood that through sin he might lose the empowerment and blessing of the Holy Spirit upon his life, much like Samson did.

Whenever you have time for these things, it's cool by me. Now and again is cool. :)
- H

Christ_empowered: In case you're still interested, here's another one, brother.

Outpouring of the spirit like tongues or something else? Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit has been something on my mind what that means. We have been discussing this on another forum. I think it means like the pharisees who denied the power of God, called it of the devil, and were far past the point where they were willing to repent or believe. It is definitely not for someone sincerely seeking God and still gaining understanding on matters. And it isn't anything to do with bad thinking or imaginations. I am very humbled and grateful for Christ's forgiveness especially for things I have thought.
 

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Matthew 12:30-32


30He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters.

The Unpardonable Sin
(Mark 3:28–30)

31Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come.
 

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Outpouring of the spirit like tongues or something else?

It manifested in tongues during New Testament times, but tongues and interpretation are really just extensions of the prophetic gift, and David was not only a king but also a prophet. That tongues is part of the New Testament prophetic gifts is apparent from how tongues and prophesying are sometimes seen operating together (Acts 19:6), and discussed in the same contexts (1 Corinthians 14. Note: The gift of interpretation has to be present as well, or tongues doesn't really edify anyone but the one speaking. Hence why Paul said, "Pray rather that he may prophesy..." and "unless there is an interpreter"). Same with dreams and visions. They're part of the prophetic gifts, and hence are mentioned together with prophecy in Joel 2:28. But without an interpreter, their ability to be of much prophetic good is limited.
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit has been something on my mind what that means. We have been discussing this on another forum. I think it means like the pharisees who denied the power of God, called it of the devil, and were far past the point where they were willing to repent or believe.

Yes, well a study of the Pharisees becomes very interesting in that context. They knew God. Very early in Jesus' ministry, Nicodemus came to Jesus, and said on behalf of the Pharisees, "We know you are sent from God, for only God can do these works through you (paraphrase)." But when Jesus started preaching and exposing them for their sinfulness (see Luke 4:16-30), all of a sudden they started turning on Him and wanted to kill Him. The reason for their change was because He was insinuating He was more holy and just before God than they were. They wanted to dismiss Him by saying, "Isn't this Joseph's son?," and when He let them know He was far more than that and they were sinful in the eyes of God, everything changed. And eventually they got to the place where they were so angry that they were willing to say the Spirit that was now operating through Him was Beelzebub.

This is when the warning came. They had gone from "God is using you" to "Satan is using Him," meaning they very well knew who the Holy Spirit was, and yet they were now blaspheming Him (the word blaspheme just means "defame") in order to save their religious reputations. I don't think someone who has never truly met the Lord through the outpouring of the Holy Spirit can blaspheme Him. As Jesus asked the Pharisees after they said that, "By whom do your sons cast them out then?" They and their sons knew the power of the Holy Spirit, and to a more limited extent were walking in it. I think the sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit is reserved for those, as I said, who have indeed tasted that the Lord is good, but have then seen fit to refer to Him as evil anyway. Many people can call God evil who don't actually know Him, and it doesn't mean anything. But those who receive the outpouring of His Spirit and then publicly call Him evil, that is a different matter, and beyond forgiveness.

That's what I believe concerning the subject at this point, but people differ on what the expression means, so to each his own.
I am very humbled and grateful for Christ's forgiveness especially for things I have thought.

See, for me, when I first got saved, I didn't know who the Holy Spirit was. Without thinking about it much, I sorta just believed like the Jehovah's Witnesses do; that He is some sort of impersonal "force" that empowers people to do things. But when I got baptized in the Holy Spirit tangibly, with evidence of speaking in tongues (and like really loud, too, Lol), suddenly I said, "Oh, that Holy Spirit." I knew Him now, unmistakably and experientially. From that moment on, I have been held accountable to God never to say that the Spirit I experienced come upon me was evil.

It's similar to the expectations husbands and wives place upon one another. For those who give themselves to one another intimately in marriage, the understanding is that they will not turn around after knowing each other at the deepest levels and then reject them publicly, though with God such rejection is taken even more seriously. As the scripture says (and it applies in many ways), "To whom much is given, much will be expected."
31Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come.

Yes. Again, one who doesn't actually know Jesus can say He is evil, simply because they are fed a lot of false information about Him and never knew Him closely. But no one can experience the outpouring powerfully and NOT know the Holy Spirit is God. They will know, and as a result, they will be held accountable for what they know.
I am glad to just be able to trust God. It is not something to worry about. Just to understand

I don't worry about you. If it is was actually you speaking (which is another variable in the equation), I doubt you even knew the One you were talking about very well yet anyway. If you were to do so now? Maybe, but not when you were still in the spiritual throws of a very rough childhood.
 
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I do understand more about Holy Spirit. For sure growing up particularly in the Baptist church, Holy Spirit was more impersonal then to the Father and Son. Until this last year I never addressed Him as "Holy Spirit", but as "the Holy Spirit." Holy Spirit is part of the Godhead you really do want to "taste and see"as good. We are having a series on the power of Holy Spirit at church and talking about the outpouring.

I've had a few interesting talks with my friend at church about a few dreams too... Hard to know what to do with them. But I'm trying to let God lead me. I am not sure about quite a bit of it now. I am just not doing them online now. Confusion is definitely not of God. I'm just going to be an encouragement and stay in prayer for others online. These are my gifts. And the more understanding I gain offline about dreams I get under the covering in my church, the more confidence I can get that I am not going into something supernatural that is not of God. Like talking about so many dreams first part of the year, I really don't know. It is hard without more tangible proof what is what online. But there are so many spirit filled Christians where I am, just being opened up and awakened to understanding Holy Spirit. It is just the beginning it feels like. No matter what this last year was about with dreams, there is God in them. I'm just trying to understand more and throw out what is not. Terrorists thought going into the watchtowers were God. I don't want anything I think is God hurt anyone if I don't understand it very well.

I don't worry about you. If it is was actually you speaking (which is another variable in the equation), I doubt you even knew the One you were talking about very well yet anyway. If you were to do so now? Maybe, but not when you were still in the spiritual throws of a very rough childhood.
 

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I do understand more about Holy Spirit. For sure growing up particularly in the Baptist church, Holy Spirit was more impersonal then to the Father and Son. Until this last year I never addressed Him as "Holy Spirit", but as "the Holy Spirit." Holy Spirit is part of the Godhead you really do want to "taste and see"as good. We are having a series on the power of Holy Spirit at church and talking about the outpouring.

Actually, I think "the Holy Spirit" is the proper expression when referring to Him in public, Lol. :) Referring to Him in dialogue as "Holy Spirit" (i.e. in the sense of any old holy spirit) smacks a bit of New Age. But yes, when in private conversation with Him, addressing Him as "Holy Spirit" would be proper.
I've had a few interesting talks with my friend at church about a few dreams too... Hard to know what to do with them. But I'm trying to let God lead me. I am not sure about quite a bit of it now. I am just not doing them online now. Confusion is definitely not of God. I'm just going to be an encouragement and stay in prayer for others online. These are my gifts. And the more understanding I gain offline about dreams I get under the covering in my church, the more confidence I can get that I am not going into something supernatural that is not of God. Like talking about so many dreams first part of the year, I really don't know. It is hard without more tangible proof what is what online. But there are so many spirit filled Christians where I am, just being opened up and awakened to understanding Holy Spirit. It is just the beginning it feels like. No matter what this last year was about with dreams, there is God in them. I'm just trying to understand more and throw out what is not. Terrorists thought going into the watchtowers were God. I don't want anything I think is God hurt anyone if I don't understand it very well.

You will know eventually.

I do encourage having a good church family, but I'd have to say I'm not that wild about the teaching on "coverings." There have been a number of spiritual abuses that have taken place through the "spiritual coverings" teaching over the last several decades. It can protect those who are very weak spiritually, but it can also lead many to Hell in more abusive scenarios (it's been used as a control tactic by more cultish-type leaders who want everyone doing only what they say), and it's a teaching that even with good leadership can hamper more mature believers from finding their true callings if they allow it to. I would not be able to fulfill my calling if I had to submit to men (history has shown me this, more than once in fact). Most pastors these days are not receptive to a true teacher called of God. They find us threatening. They want us as musicians or to help in other ministries, but in general they are slow to receive from anyone other than those they already agree with, and who are in line with their accepted beliefs. Often it takes many years, sometimes decades, for them to realize their doctrinal mistakes and get to the place where they can receive better teaching. Many never do.

But having Christian friends in a church to serve as a spiritual support base is invaluable. That's what remains, even when I'm at odds with my Christian family on doctrine (which is often, Lol, aside from the most basic teachings of the faith, but that doesn't stop me from loving them. I just talk with them about the stuff we do agree on, and wait on the rest of it for a better time).
 

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Same with dreams and visions. They're part of the prophetic gifts, and hence are mentioned together with prophecy in Joel 2:28. But without an interpreter, their ability to be of much prophetic good is limited.
The dreams I seem to have most are dreams about my future and dreams of a warning nature . The dreams don't need much thinking to understand . But some dreams have more symbolic things going on .
I've had a few interesting talks with my friend at church about a few dreams too... Hard to know what to do with them. But I'm trying to let God lead me. I am not sure about quite a bit of it now. I am just not doing them online now.
You do keep a dream diary , don't you ? I had a sci-fi like dream before CV got started and dismissed the dream but I did write it down . When I went back to look at another dream I saw the sci-fi one and thought , Oh my not so sci-fi after all now .
 

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The dreams I seem to have most are dreams about my future and dreams of a warning nature . The dreams don't need much thinking to understand . But some dreams have more symbolic things going on .

You do keep a dream diary , don't you ? I had a sci-fi like dream before CV got started and dismissed the dream but I did write it down . When I went back to look at another dream I saw the sci-fi one and thought , Oh my not so sci-fi after all now .

I lost sight on what was important. I'm putting dreams aside for now and bringing them up if they bother me/can't get my mind off them. They get weird and I am a vivid dreamer. I remember all of them.
 

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The dreams I seem to have most are dreams about my future and dreams of a warning nature . The dreams don't need much thinking to understand . But some dreams have more symbolic things going on .

Yes. The ones I've found that were truly from God are often very memorable, and strange symbolism is often a part of that.
I'm putting dreams aside for now and bringing them up if they bother me/can't get my mind off them.

The right approach, IMO. If they are strongly prophetic, the Spirit of God will let you know.

Btw, not sure if you ever read my last response to that thread you closed or not, but just in case you didn't, the "million dollars" in your dream cannot be a person as I previously thought (someone I presumed was valuable in His sight). That would be mixed symbolism. In your own dreams, money was always used to represent the prophetic words God has given you through dreams, and in mine the revelations God has given me through study. Both are essentially "the true riches" if you will, and hence the spiritual analogy.

That would change the interpretation, and make the three dreams fit together and have essentially the same message; they mean that an offer is/will be made to move in the prophetic once again at some point. But now is not the time yet, as I mentioned elsewhere. If you do get anything that is very pronounced, however, please let me know. For now, I am beginning another 40 day, and I want to make it a habit of succeeding at at least two long fasts every year. I need to be praying for the gifts with more consistent intensity, and for Him to confirm the word with greater signs and wonders. I still feel like the power of God will be needed to distinguish between truth and falsehood in the end times, and things are getting worse out there with regard to false doctrine now. Simply arguing with people doctrinally forever may only make matters worse instead of better, and the Lord could possibly use you in that regard again down the road.

Wanted to make sure you knew.
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Yes. The ones I've found that were truly from God are often very memorable, and strange symbolism is often a part of that.


The right approach, IMO. If they are strongly prophetic, the Spirit of God will let you know.

Btw, not sure if you ever read my last response to that thread you closed or not, but just in case you didn't, the "million dollars" in your dream cannot be a person as I previously thought (someone I presumed was valuable in His sight). That would be mixed symbolism. In your own dreams, money was always used to represent the prophetic words God has given you through dreams, and in mine the revelations God has given me through study. Both are essentially "the true riches" if you will, and hence the spiritual analogy.

That would change the interpretation, and make the three dreams fit together and have essentially the same message; they mean that an offer is/will be made to move in the prophetic once again at some point. But now is not the time yet, as I mentioned elsewhere. If you do get anything that is very pronounced, however, please let me know. For now, I am beginning another 40 day, and I want to make it a habit of succeeding at at least two long fasts every year. I need to be praying for the gifts with more consistent intensity, and for Him to confirm the word with greater signs and wonders. I still feel like the power of God will be needed to distinguish between truth and falsehood in the end times, and things are getting worse out there with regard to false doctrine now. Simply arguing with people doctrinally forever may only make matters worse instead of better, and the Lord could possibly use you in that regard again down the road.

Wanted to make sure you knew.
- H

I think I would first need the confidence this is what it was. But God has been so faithful and He will guide me in the right way. He always has.
 
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