Biblical vegg-a-mattic!

[donadams]

It slices!
It dices!

It slices and dices the word of God to shreds!

Completely negating the word of God!

Example: Mk 16:16

Those who will be saved must have correct faith and baptism!

Biblical vegg-a-mattic slices it up and Faith alone is the only requirement for salvation! Lol!

 

[Aussie Mark]

Baptism is not required for salvation, Faith alone.

 

[donadams]

Baptism is not required for salvation, Faith alone.

Are you sure?
Mark 16:16

Scripture does not support “faith alone”.

1 cor 13:2 all faith without charity avails nothing
1 cor 13:13 three things are eternal not “faith alone”

Thanks
More info below

Philippians 1:19
For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ. What? that ain’t “faith alone”!

1 Tim 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee. (Not one simple act of faith)

1 Tim 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.


Jesus Christ is Our salvation:

Truth / doctrine Jn 14:6
Sacrifice / sacraments Jn 1:16-17 Jn 1:29
Christ is in His person is our salvation Lk 2:30

How can it be “faith alone” Christ is not only a doctrine or set of beliefs but He is our Passover sacrifice and He is our salvation, His person, Lk 2:30 I have seen my Salvation!
We must have union with Christ by faith and baptism.


“Faith alone” condemned by sacred scripture!

Deut 6:4 love of God
Matt 19:17 commandments
Matt 16:25 lose you’re life / rev 12:11
Matt 28:19 faith & baptism
Matt 24:13 endure
Mk 16:16 faith & baptism
Jn 3:5 water & the spirit
Jn 15:4 abide in Christ
acts 2:38-39 repentance & baptism
acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
acts 22:16 name of the Lord & baptism
rom 10:10 faith & confession
1 cor 13:2 faith & charity
1 cor 13:13 faith, hope, & charity
1 cor 16:22 love of Jesus Christ
Phil 1:29 faith and suffering rom 8:17 2 Timothy 2:12
1 thes 1:3 faith, love, patience / 2 thes 1:4 / 1 Tim 6:11 /
James 2:24 faith & works
Heb 6:12 faith & patience / rev 13:10
Rev 2:19 works, charity, service, faith, patience
Rev 12:17 testimony of Jesus & commandments
Rev 14:12 commandments & patience

Rev 12:11 over cane by the blood of the Lamb not by “faith alone”

Three things are eternal! 1 cor 13:13

Faith:
Hope:
Charity:

1 cor 13:2 even all faith without charity (Deut 6:4) avails nothing!

Never “faith alone”!



Actual righteousness / holiness!

Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

 

[donadams]

The Christian sacrament* of baptismal regeneration is required for the new covenant and salvation!

*this promise acts 2:38-39 is a sacred oath from God ez 36:25-27 and a sacred oath is a sacrament!

Initiation!!!


Faith & Baptism is the initiation of the new and eternal covenant!

You cannot enter on you’re own or by “faith alone”!

You cannot receive Christ or grace by “faith alone”!

“Accept Christ as you’re personal lord and savior” is fundamentalist tradition not found scripture!

Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Baptismal regeneration a new creation in Christ! 2 Cor 5:17

A sacrament is an oath! A sacred promise from God! Ez 36:25-27
Acts 2:38-39 (this promise)

No baptism no grace!

A sacrament is an outward sign for all men including infants And a gift from God to help us see what he does inwardly and invisibly by his grace!

As grace Washes our souls in the merits of Jesus blood from original and personal sin, so the outward action of washing is visible!

without the outward action the inward action cannot take place!

Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 water and washing
acts 22:16 wash away your sin!

Jn 3:5 Born again BY water and the spirit! Not by “faith alone”!

They did not go to Jerusalem and preach “accept Christ as you’re personal Lord and savior “

They went to the river (water) and they baptized! Jn 3:22

A covenant requires an outward sign of the inward action of grace!

Ez 36:25 I will sprinkle you with clean water and you shall be made white as snow.

Acts 22:16 washing away your sins.

Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

1 pet 3:21 baptism saves you.

You cannot enter on you’re own or by faith alone!

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Heb 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,


Baptism!

God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 eph 2

Born again! Born from above!

'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who I has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by God thru baptism!



Christ instituted the holy church for the salvation of all men, (repent and believe the gospel, with the institution of the sacraments to convey grace to sanctify souls!


Effects of faith & baptism!

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptist
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 eph 2:1 and 5 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 4:5 one faith, one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!

“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!

Faith and baptism!

Scripture says none of the things about “Faith alone”!

2 Peter 1:11
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

The Christian sacrament of baptism is the Initiation into the new covenant and must be ministered to you by the apostles!




“Faith alone” Questions

where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

How can you enter by your own if it must be ministered to you? Baptism is done unto you, “not do it yourself by faith alone”

Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?

Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is found in scripture?

They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one baptism

Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???

When we first believed we are saved?

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?

1 pet 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.

How can salvation happen when we first believed if it’s the end?

If salvation is by “faith alone” then faith would be the greatest!
1 cor 13:13 charity is the greatest!

Even all faith much less “faith alone” without charity avails nothing!
1 cor 13:2

“Faith alone” unbiblical!

“Faith alone” is a heresy condemned by the authority of Christ in holy apostolic council!


We must also suffer!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Phil 1:29 not called to believe alone but also to suffer for Christ’s sake.

“Faith alone” is a 16th century heresy novelty and invented tradition of men

 

[Jethro Bodine]

“Faith alone” condemned by sacred scripture!

Yes, it is—James 2:24.
But not "righteousness apart from works"—Romans 4:6.

As long as you continue to get the argument wrong I will continue to correct you.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?

Because the salvation already saved people are waiting for is the redemption of the body, not being made a saved person.

 

[jasonc]

Because the salvation already saved people are waiting for is the redemption of the body, not being made a saved person.

He also ignore that his dogma is one that baptizes babies who are unable to speak or think about sin long before they are even able to understand what sin is fully.

Not that the reformed don't do this .I don't agree with that as well kinda need to know what baptism is.

 

[Aussie Mark]

Are you sure?
Mark 16:16

Scripture does not support “faith alone”.

1 cor 13:2 all faith without charity avails nothing
1 cor 13:13 three things are eternal not “faith alone”

Thanks
More info below

Philippians 1:19
For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ. What? that ain’t “faith alone”!

1 Tim 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee. (Not one simple act of faith)

1 Tim 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.


Jesus Christ is Our salvation:

Truth / doctrine Jn 14:6
Sacrifice / sacraments Jn 1:16-17 Jn 1:29
Christ is in His person is our salvation Lk 2:30

How can it be “faith alone” Christ is not only a doctrine or set of beliefs but He is our Passover sacrifice and He is our salvation, His person, Lk 2:30 I have seen my Salvation!
We must have union with Christ by faith and baptism.


“Faith alone” condemned by sacred scripture!

Deut 6:4 love of God
Matt 19:17 commandments
Matt 16:25 lose you’re life / rev 12:11
Matt 28:19 faith & baptism
Matt 24:13 endure
Mk 16:16 faith & baptism
Jn 3:5 water & the spirit
Jn 15:4 abide in Christ
acts 2:38-39 repentance & baptism
acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
acts 22:16 name of the Lord & baptism
rom 10:10 faith & confession
1 cor 13:2 faith & charity
1 cor 13:13 faith, hope, & charity
1 cor 16:22 love of Jesus Christ
Phil 1:29 faith and suffering rom 8:17 2 Timothy 2:12
1 thes 1:3 faith, love, patience / 2 thes 1:4 / 1 Tim 6:11 /
James 2:24 faith & works
Heb 6:12 faith & patience / rev 13:10
Rev 2:19 works, charity, service, faith, patience
Rev 12:17 testimony of Jesus & commandments
Rev 14:12 commandments & patience

Rev 12:11 over cane by the blood of the Lamb not by “faith alone”

Three things are eternal! 1 cor 13:13

Faith:
Hope:
Charity:

1 cor 13:2 even all faith without charity (Deut 6:4) avails nothing!

Never “faith alone”!



Actual righteousness / holiness!

Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

As I mentioned on a previous post on a different thread, hoping to make your point by presenting an avalanche of Bible verses, some completely out of context does little to make your point.

Let's start with Grace. Grace is what God does because he’s gracious. Grace is a gift of God. Not because we deserve it or did enough good works. But instead, because God is good. Grace is a result of the love of God. It’s the unmerited favor of God.

God has shown his love for us by sacrificng his Son on the Cross. One sacrifice for all as the one atoning sacrifice. Mere knowledge of this isn't enough, it requires some sort of response: Faith.

Faith: Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. Heb 11:1

Scripture does not support “faith alone”.

The Apostle Paul tells us in Ephesians 2-8-10:

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.+

Our salvation comes through our response: faith to God's Grace. Anything beyond this point is extra to that moment of salvation.

In Luke 7:36-50 we learn of the encounter between Jesus and a sinful woman who anoints Juses' feet with oil. at the last Jesus simply says in verse 50:
Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”

Something to think about:

Imagine a man has lived a life turning his back on God. A friend finally convinces him to come to his church as it is a service where the congrgation are encouraged to invite a friend to hear the Gospel. Upon hearing the sermon he is convicted of his sin and need to repent and put his trust in Jesus, he responds to God's Grace by Faith.

Now feeling like a new man with a new view on God and his new realtionship with him, knowing his sins are now forgiven, he leaves the church and so deep in thought steps onto thr road without looking and is hit by a car and killed.

Seems to me it is his faith alone that has saved him, no baptism or works or any other sacrements of the church. God's Grace and his response (faith), unless of course you don't think he is saved? (Really, I do want to know if you think he is saved or not.)

 

[Jethro Bodine]

We must also suffer!

Yes, we must suffer. But not to be made a saved person. That happens the moment a person receives God's forgiveness by faith apart from works.

 

[Aussie Mark]

Yes, we must suffer. But not to be made a saved person. That happens the moment a person receives God's forgiveness by faith apart from works.

Must suffer? I would be keen to see where in the Bible this is. I know we have been told a number of times in the NT that we should expect to suffer for the Gospel and that are warned that the Christian life isn't easy just because we are right with God.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Must suffer? I would be keen to see where in the Bible this is. I know we have been told a number of times in the NT that we should expect to suffer for the Gospel and that are warned that the Christian life isn't easy just because we are right with God.

"For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for Him"
Philippians 1:29

 

[donadams]

Yes, it is—James 2:24.
But not "righteousness apart from works"—Romans 4:6.

As long as you continue to get the argument wrong I will continue to correct you.

Works? Works alone? Works of the law?

 

[donadams]

Because the salvation already saved people are waiting for is the redemption of the body, not being made a saved person.

No, you claim a man is saved by believing

 

[donadams]

As I mentioned on a previous post on a different thread, hoping to make your point by presenting an avalanche of Bible verses, some completely out of context does little to make your point.

Let's start with Grace. Grace is what God does because he’s gracious. Grace is a gift of God. Not because we deserve it or did enough good works. But instead, because God is good. Grace is a result of the love of God. It’s the unmerited favor of God.

God has shown his love for us by sacrificng his Son on the Cross. One sacrifice for all as the one atoning sacrifice. Mere knowledge of this isn't enough, it requires some sort of response: Faith.




The Apostle Paul tells us in Ephesians 2-8-10:

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.+

Our salvation comes through our response: faith to God's Grace. Anything beyond this point is extra to that moment of salvation.

In Luke 7:36-50 we learn of the encounter between Jesus and a sinful woman who anoints Juses' feet with oil. at the last Jesus simply says in verse 50:
Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”

Something to think about:

Imagine a man has lived a life turning his back on God. A friend finally convinces him to come to his church as it is a service where the congrgation are encouraged to invite a friend to hear the Gospel. Upon hearing the sermon he is convicted of his sin and need to repent and put his trust in Jesus, he responds to God's Grace by Faith.

Now feeling like a new man with a new view on God and his new realtionship with him, knowing his sins are now forgiven, he leaves the church and so deep in thought steps onto thr road without looking and is hit by a car and killed.

Seems to me it is his faith alone that has saved him, no baptism or works or any other sacrements of the church. God's Grace and his response (faith), unless of course you don't think he is saved? (Really, I do want to know if you think he is saved or not.)

No cos it’s not a Bible study, it is a covenant and we must enter the covenant Jn 3:5 2 pet 1:11 and remain in the covenant in union with Christ until the end Matt 24:13
How does one put on Christ?

Eph 8 does not refer to you’re salvation
See below

 

[donadams]

Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

eph 2:8 does not refer to you’re salvation it’s already past tense when Paul wrote it so it refers redemption accomplished by Christ apart from our involvement not salvation or you’re being quote “saved”!

Not you’re faith! Not of yourselves!!!

The faith it refers to was that of Mary the mother of God! Lk 1:55

Christian faith includes baptism Jn 3:5 by water and the spirit and not faith alone 1 cor 13:2 and 1 cor 13/13

In verses 1 and 5 what does quickened mean?

redemption, justification, sanctification, and salvation are not the same:

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!

(Redemption is not Salvation)
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Sanctification: the life of grace applied to our souls in the sacraments, prayer, virtue and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Suffering required for glorification with Christ!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Justification and salvation are not the same rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Thanks

 

[donadams]

Yes, we must suffer. But not to be made a saved person. That happens the moment a person receives God's forgiveness by faith apart from works.

It is a covenant not a Bible study
Cannot enter unless born again regeneration new creation in christ
Jn 3:5 2 pet 1:11
Baptismal regeneration unites us to Christ thru grace and all our actions are meritorious

Matthew 16:27
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Created in the image & likeness of God. Gen 1:26

Intellect & Will:

Faith & Love:

Faith:
Intellectual accent to the truths revealed by Christ and taught by His church. Matt 28:19 eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

Love:
Thy will be done: Matt 6:10 heb 10:9

Matt 21:28 But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.

29 He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.

30 And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.

31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

Must bear Fruit:

Luke 13:9
And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

Jn -5:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

1 cor 13:2 not faith alone
Deut 6:5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
1 cor 13:13 THREE things are eternal, faith, hope, and charity.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Don't tell us. Tell Cornelius and his family at Peter's Bible Study in Acts 10.

 

[Aussie Mark]

No cos it’s not a Bible study, it is a covenant and we must enter the covenant Jn 3:5 2 pet 1:11 and remain in the covenant in union with Christ until the end Matt 24:13
How does one put on Christ?

Eph 8 does not refer to you’re salvation
See below

"No cos it's not a Bible study" ?? what?? says the guy who just lists a wall of Bible verses, many of which are misquoted and twisted out of context as his only way to have a 'discussion'.

Paul's letter to the Ephesians was written to an established church of believers and he was was writing to them to remind them of how they were saved - by faith, not through anythign we have done.

As with many of his letters to these early churches, he was keen to warn against the church being infiltrated by false teaching. There is no specific form of false teaching mentioned in Ephesians but given the make-up of the city and its location they would have been exposed to it and it would have posed a risk. Nicolaisim is mentioned specifically in Ephesus in Rev 2:6.

John 3:5: You have quoted this a number of times to support the idea that baptism is some sort of requirement to salvation. I would suggest reading the whole section for context, Jesus is talking about being born again - being born in the Spirit. "Born of water" refers to our natural birth and "born of spirit" refers to the Holy Spirit. See Titus 3:5.

I am not against the idea of baptism at all. Out church has infant baptism and also adult ones but neither of these are crucial or play a part in someone's salvation but is a sign of a parent's intent and wish for their child for an infant baptism or as an outward and public statement of faith and belief for an adult.


Oh yes, waiting on a reply about our friend who went to church and got hit by the car. Don't think I am being frivolous, this is just the sort of question a new Christian or someone looking into Christianity asks.

 

[donadams]

1 Jn 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

 

[donadams]

Don't tell us. Tell Cornelius and his family at Peter's Bible Study in Acts 10.

I don’t see you’re point? Please explain