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BOOK OF REVELATION: Chapter 12

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Rev 12:1-17
1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:


Genesis 37 reveals who this woman is clothed with the sun, the moon under her feet, and with 12 stars upon her head.

Gen.37:9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, "Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me."
10 And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, "What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?"
(KJV)


Joseph dreamed a dream and told it to his eleven brothers, and to his mother Rachel and his father Jacob. It was understood the sun and moon were about Jacob and Rachel, and the eleven stars about his eleven brothers. Jacob's new name was Israel, and that's who this "woman" here in Rev.12 represents, i.e., Israel.

2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

This is symbolic about the Seed of the Woman we're told of in Genesis 3. Our Lord Jesus was to be born through a specific family descended from Adam. This is why Christ's blood lineage through Mary is listed in Luke 3, all the way back to the man Adam. This is representing the start of that seed of the Woman. The next couple of verses will confirm this timing.

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.


This is the first mention of the word "dragon" in our Lord's Book of Revelation, and in the NT for that matter. A bit farther down in this chapter, it is revealed this dragon is another title for Satan himself.

Daniel 7:24 reveals ten horns represent ten kings. These horns are symbolic of powers on the earth. The seven crowns also reveals that kingly structure. The seven heads represent seven areas of their control. In the next Rev.13 chapter, we're shown a beast that comes up out of the sea, having ten horns, ten crowns, and seven heads. The number of crowns with this one in Rev.12 is different, with seven. Also, this one of seven crowns is being associated with this red dragon.

Verse 4 shows us the dragon's rebellion, and drawing one third of the "stars" into rebellion with him, their being cast down to the earth. That casting to earth is about the angels which rebelled with Satan when he was first cast down to the earth. Satan is a cherub which coveted God's Throne (see Ezekiel 28). We know that event of Satan's original rebellion was very ancient. Ezekiel 28 shows that God originally created Satan as a covering cherub (to guard His Throne), and that he was at first perfect in his ways before he rebelled. The seven heads, ten horns, and seven crowns mentioned here is given along with that timing of old when Satan first rebelled.

Then we are told that dragon stood befor the Woman who was ready to be delivered, in order to devour her child as soon as it was born. That represents the start of the Seed of the Woman (the lineage of Christ) in Genesis 3 with Eve. A later verse here will also reveal "that old serpent" as yet another title for Satan. He was in God's Garden already as the adversary, showing the battle lines for this world had been drawn. This is very important to recognize when studying the Book of Genesis about the lineage of Christ. The devil tried many times to destroy the Seed of the Woman that Christ would be born through, even down to the time with Herod looking to murder Baby Jesus.

5 And she brought forth a man Child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her Child was caught up unto God, and to His throne.

Most of these first five verses of Rev.12 are a quick summary of the past. Christ Jesus was caught up to God's Throne after His crucifixion and resurrection. His reign over all nations with a rod of iron is still future, as we learned back at the end of Rev.2 the saints who overcome in Him will one day also rule with Him using that rod of iron. That reign is associated with Christ's future rewards to His saints, giving of the "morning star" to them. We know that has not happened yet.

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Now we've got a change of subject of events to happen upon the symbolic Woman (Israel). Some see this verse pointing to the whole of Church history. Some have a habit of representing a time given in days to mean years even when we're not told here to use that kind of gauge. The 70 weeks period of Dan.9 is clearly meant to be understood as seven day week periods representing periods of seven years. But here we're not told to use that day=year gauge. This 1260 days represents literal days here, and is the same time as the 42 months the Gentiles are given to tread the outer courts of the temple per Rev.11, and the 42 months the beast of Rev.13 will work on earth.

This first 1260 days may represent the first part of the final "one week" within the 70 weeks prophesy given to Daniel (Dan.9). Further down, another 1260 day period is mentioned which will point this out more.

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.


Right after that 1260 day period, we're shown there's a war in Heaven between the Archangel Michael and his angels against the dragon and his angels. There's much given here to show this particular casting out of the heavenly has not happenned yet.

When this war in heaven happens, "their place" will not be found any more in heaven. What does that mean? There's two dimensions of existence per God's Word, this earthly we are in, and the heavenly where God and the angels dwell. The devil and his angels also dwell in the heavenly dimension, though not where God's Abode is. This is about the devil and his angels being cast out of that heavenly dimension.

In Daniel 12:1, we're told of a time when Michael will stand up (make a stand), and then a time of trouble that has never been the likes before on earth will occur. That's about the great tribulation timing, for our Lord Jesus marked that event within the seven signs of the end He gave in Matt.24 and Mark 13. Where does that place this event of Satan and his angels being cast out of the heavenly? It puts it for the end of days.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Here we are emphatically given the identity of the "dragon", and also who "that old serpent" was in God's Garden that deceived Eve. It's the devil, Satan. He and his angels are to be cast out of the heavenly when this war in heaven happens, as "their place" will no more be found in heaven. That leaves only one place they can be cast to, and that's to our earthly dimension.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.


Until that war in heaven happens, Satan stands constantly as our accuser in the heavenly before God. This casting out is not about Satan's original rebellion and fall to the earth of old. Christ had not yet come to die on the cross at Satan's original rebellion against God. This time of his casting out has not happenned yet, for the devil and his place is still in the heavenly dimension even right now.

Verse 11 is about the persecution upon the saints past and yet future, and their giving a testimony for Christ, even to the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

There will be rejoicing in the heavenly when Satan and his angels are cast out of the heavenly dimension to our dimension of the earthly. When that war in heaven happens, Satan knows he will have only a very short time to try and finish his work of deception upon souls for this present world. And because of that, he will be full of wrath against the saints on earth. What our Lord Jesus is giving us here is a close-up detail of the 'cause' of events on earth within the 6th trumpet - 2nd woe period; it's great tribulation timing.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.


When Satan and his angels are cast to this earth, they will specifically go after God's people, the family of the Woman (God's Israel). Don't be deceived in thinking this means the Jews in Jerusalem only, as we'll learn in a later verse. He will seek to deceive all of God's people, especially those who stand in Christ Jesus, i.e., us Christians of both believing Israelites and believing Gentiles.

This "time, and times, and half a time" is that same 1260 days period mentioned before, and in the Book of Daniel. That's how long the saints will be given to be under this time of trouble, but still under Christ's protection away from deception. Our Lord Jesus said that a pseudo Christ was to come doing great signs and wonders so powerful in deception that it would almost deceive His own elect servants (Matt.24:21-28). If you understand that's about this event here with Satan coming de facto to this earthly, then it shouldn't be that difficult to fathom why our Lord called this time a "great tribulation", a time of trouble on earth that has never been the likes before, and never will be again. That "face of the serpent" idea is given to show us the devil is going to de facto be here on earth, in person.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

God first used this flood metaphor for how the Assyrian came upon Israel per history (Isa.8; Isa.28; Isa.59:19). Notice where this flood comes out of. It comes out the serpent's MOUTH. Our Lord just showed us this "serpent" here is not a literal snake, but simply another title for the devil. And just like what comes out of the locust army's mouths, this flood comes out of Satan's mouth. What comes out of one's mouth? Words. This is about that false one mentioned in the Book of Daniel that will blaspheme, and "speak marvellous things against the God of gods." (Dan.11:36). Apostle Paul showed in 2 Thess.2 he will sit in the Temple of God, showing himself that he is God. That flood out of the serpent's mouth is symbolic of lies to work deception. That's how he will seek to destroy, even using peace (Dan.11).

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

But the saints who stand in Christ Jesus during that time will not be deceived by Satan's working of great deception upon the earth. The earth swallowing up the flood out of the dragon's mouth is symbolic of Christ's covering over His saints, His sealing in the forehead we learned about in Rev.7. (Did you notice how our Lord used the titles of serpent and dragon interchangeably here?)

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
(KJV)


With the last Rev.12 verse we finally learn who all the symbolic woman of this chapter applies to. It is for God's Church, those who keep His commandments and have the Testimony of Jesus Christ. This means we cannot just go hap-hazardly applying these Rev.12 events only to orthodox unbelieving Jews. It includes all Christians too, and especially the believing remnant of Israel.
 
Hello veteran,

Could you, in one sentence and in your own words, state what you think the message God is trying to convey in Chapter 12?

Guy
 
guysmith said:
Hello veteran,

Could you, in one sentence and in your own words, state what you think the message God is trying to convey in Chapter 12?

Guy

The devil is looking for a new home when his place will no more be found in the heavenly; he's coming here in this earthly dimension to setup another version of that ten horned, seven crowned, seven head system he originally rebelled with and drew one third of the angels into rebellion with him.
 
veteran's
The devil is looking for a new home when his place will no more be found in the heavenly; he's coming here in this earthly dimension to setup another version of that ten horned, seven crowned, seven head system he originally rebelled with and drew one third of the angels into rebellion with him.
The Devil has already fallen and been here for 2,000yrs. It's his servants that misinterpret scriptures and hide out on Christian websites that we are to be aware of.

You don't have sound doctrine, my friend. :study
 
I guess since a Pre-trib "secret rapture" really cannot be found in Revelation if it is studied line upon line hurts some people's feelings. Christ Jesus is coming to the earth to gather us, as written in Zechariah 14. And His Kingdom will definitely be one earth, for on earth is where His servants will reign with Him from.

Rev 5:9-10
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for Thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by Thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
(KJV)


Rev 20:7-9
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
(KJV)


Rev 22:14-15
14 Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
(KJV)
 
precepts said:
veteran's
The devil is looking for a new home when his place will no more be found in the heavenly; he's coming here in this earthly dimension to setup another version of that ten horned, seven crowned, seven head system he originally rebelled with and drew one third of the angels into rebellion with him.
The Devil has already fallen and been here for 2,000yrs. It's his servants that misinterpret scriptures and hide out on Christian websites that we are to be aware of.

You don't have sound doctrine, my friend. :study
Yes the devil has fallen and has been here 6,000 years, hence the fall of man "Adam" but the time is coming as veteran as eluded to. Satan will be cast out of heaven and will not be allowed to return there like he can now. Then the Anti christ the false prophet and the beast will reign upon the earth for 7 yrs. luckly us Christian Will be with Christ at the wedding feast of the lamb.. ;) So now is the time to tell all your friends, family, and love ones about the saving grace of Jesus.
 
precepts wrote:
The Devil has already fallen and been here for 2,000yrs. It's his servants that misinterpret scriptures and hide out on Christian websites that we are to be aware of.

You don't have sound doctrine, my friend.
again calling fellow christian servants of satan, because someone does not agree with you. I'll pray for you.. :pray

Revelation 12:10
10Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ. For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.
 
Veteran, try reading Ezekiel 31 the entire chapter:
Eze 31:15 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day when he went down to the grave I caused a mourning: I covered the deep for him, and I restrained the floods thereof, and the great waters were stayed: and I caused Lebanon to mourn for him, and all the trees of the field fainted for him.
Eze 31:16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.
Eze 31:17 They also went down into hell with him unto [them that be] slain with the sword; and [they that were] his arm, [that] dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen.
Eze 31:18 To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth: thou shalt lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with [them that be] slain by the sword. This [is] Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord GOD.
It might be hard to understand but there's a heavenly Jerusalem and a earthly Jerusalem. Where the heavenly Jerusalem is in heaven is also an earth. That's where the 1,000yr reign happens after the 1st ressurection after Satan is cast down and bound on the earth. He no longer has access to heaven thus gaves his power to the Beast to attack the heavenly Jerusalem and the heavenly temple. Everything happens in heaven that's why the ark is seen in the heavenly temple, "the ark of his testament".


:study
 
freeway's
Yes the devil has fallen and has been here 6,000 years, hence the fall of man "Adam" but the time is coming as veteran as eluded to. Satan will be cast out of heaven and will not be allowed to return there like he can now.
The term fallen means he was cast down to the earth and no longer has access to heaven. Example, in the days of Job when the sons of God were gathered, Satan was among them, the accuser of the bethrens. Satan was cast out in the time of Christ's childhood.

freeway's
Then the Anti christ the false prophet and the beast will reign upon the earth for 7 yrs. luckly us Christian Will be with Christ at the wedding feast of the lamb.. So now is the time to tell all your friends, family, and love ones about the saving grace of Jesus
Regardless of Christ himself saying that his kingdom is not of this world? That's anti-christ!


freeway's
again calling fellow christian servants of satan, because someone does not agree with you. I'll pray for you..
Pray for me? With all due respect If we are to test the spirits of individuals to see if they're of God, I would say that for a christian you pick a "hell of " avatar. The "all seeing eye" of Egypt is a symbol of Satan!
 
precepts said:
Veteran, try reading Ezekiel 31 the entire chapter:
Eze 31:15 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day when he went down to the grave I caused a mourning: I covered the deep for him, and I restrained the floods thereof, and the great waters were stayed: and I caused Lebanon to mourn for him, and all the trees of the field fainted for him.
Eze 31:16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.
Eze 31:17 They also went down into hell with him unto [them that be] slain with the sword; and [they that were] his arm, [that] dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen.
Eze 31:18 To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth: thou shalt lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with [them that be] slain by the sword. This [is] Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord GOD.

I actually understand the Ezekiel 31 chapter pretty well. It is a type of shadow for Satan, and for his original rebellion against God. And that was about his original fall, the one given at Rev.12:3-4, but not the same one given at Rev.12:7-17.

precepts said:
It might be hard to understand but there's a heavenly Jerusalem and a earthly Jerusalem. Where the heavenly Jerusalem is in heaven is also an earth. That's where the 1,000yr reign happens after the 1st ressurection after Satan is cast down and bound on the earth. He no longer has access to heaven thus gaves his power to the Beast to attack the heavenly Jerusalem and the heavenly temple. Everything happens in heaven that's why the ark is seen in the heavenly temple, "the ark of his testament".

I know there's a difference between the Heavenly Jerusalem above, which Paul said is free, and the earthly Jerusalem below which is in bondage.

Big problem with your theory about an earth in the Heavenly though.

When Satan is loosed at the end of Christ's thousand years reign, he leads the nations upon the "camp of the saints" and "beloved city", which is... "up on the breadth of the earth".

It's the SAME earth that Christ's servants who overcome this present world will reign with Christ upon...

Rev 5:10
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
(KJV)

In Ezekiel 47, God's River that flows out from the altar of the Milennium Temple is upon this earth, even where the areas of Engedi and Eneglaim are, which of course, are areas upon this present earth we now live upon (Ezek.47:10).

And just where does the fire come from that burns up Satan and those he leads upon that "camp of the saints" at the end of the thousand years? That too is very clear in Rev.9...

Rev 20:9
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
(KJV)

Let's see, fire comes "down from God out of heaven"? I thought that "camp of the saints" was in heaven per your theory?

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On the last day of this present world, when Christ returns, the Heavenly is going to be revealed to all nations, for that also is when both the resurrection of the just, and the resurrection of the unjust, willl happen, as written in John 5:28-29.

The heavenly is going to be revealed here, on the earth. And that will begin Christ's eternal reign of Rev.11 over all nations. Per Zechariah 14 and Ezekiel 40-48 the area of the holy land is going to go through major earth changes, with the "beloved city" and "camp of the saints" there.

Zech 14:9-11
9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and His name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
(KJV)

That's about the time of Christ's Milennium reign with His elect priests and kings, on earth, THIS earth, but with some earth changes in that area.

Zech 14:16-17
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
(KJV)

It's the deceived of those nations that are left which Satan will lead upon the "camp of the saints" and "beloved city" when he is loosed at the end of the thousand years. Notice here they can still be in rebellion against The LORD in refusing to come up unto Jerusalem to worship our King Jesus Christ.
 
Quote Veteran: ". Christ Jesus is coming to the earth to gather us, as written in Zechariah 14."

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Hi V.

No, Christ is not coming to the earth to gather us (God's elect, the body of Christ) up . We will meet him in the air and in the clouds -> I Thess. 4:17
 
That's a strange twist, because our Lord's Message of those who represent the dead carcase gathered to fake eagles (vultures) is actually about those who seek to escape this earth by a pre-trib secret rapture. That's who has the doctrine that claims they will be raptured while everyone else is left behind.

Matt 24:28
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
(KJV)

Luke 17:36-37
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto Him, "Where, Lord?" And He said unto them, "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."
(KJV)
 
Mysteryman said:
Quote Veteran: ". Christ Jesus is coming to the earth to gather us, as written in Zechariah 14."

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Hi V.

No, Christ is not coming to the earth to gather us (God's elect, the body of Christ) up . We will meet him in the air and in the clouds -> I Thess. 4:17

1 Thess.4:17 must be understood in relation to all other Bible Scripture about that event. Here's another example...

Matt 25:31-32
31 When the Son of man shall come in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory:
32 And before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
(KJV)

Our Lord had just finished the parable of the talents, the result being that unprofitable servant is cast to the outer darkness.

Zech 14:3-8
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle.
4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with Thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
(KJV)

Christ's feet "shalll stand" upon the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem where He ascended to Heaven from per Acts 1. A great valley will be formed there by that event, splitting the Mount of Olives in two, half moved to the north, and half moved to the south forming a great valley. That's the result of the great earthquake that's to occur in that area of Jerusalem at our Lord's coming. That valley shall reach unto "Azal" (reserved), a location that is not known there yet.

THAT is the location where Christ's saints are gathered to be where He will be.

That great earthquake event of Zech.14 our Lord also showed us in Revelation 16...

Rev 16:18-19
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.
(KJV)

That's another way to know that the "great city" woman harlot of Rev.17:18 is about Jerusalem on earth.

It is not by chance that doctrines of men exist teaching in direct opposition to those written events in God's Word. Many brethren are not listening to what God has told us in His Word of how and where Christ Jesus specifically returns, and that Zechariah 14 chapter I have never heard taught in a Christian Church I've attended. Our Lord Jesus warned us about the "hireling" among His body that preaches for gain and will run when the wolves show up (John 10). That is no different than a preacher who refuses to teach this event of Zech.14 as written, but instead leaves a believer guessing up in the clouds.
 
veteran's
That's a strange twist, because our Lord's Message of those who represent the dead carcase gathered to fake eagles (vultures) is actually about those who seek to escape this earth by a pre-trib secret rapture. That's who has the doctrine that claims they will be raptured while everyone else is left behind.

Matt 24:28
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
(KJV)

Luke 17:36-37
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto Him, "Where, Lord?" And He said unto them, "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."
(KJV)
Eternity is a long time for fake eagles (vultures) to burn, isn't it? :crazy
 
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