Christ’s Law Obedience

[JLB]

It's my understanding that the Law was not intended to bring righteousness but rather judgement, for being under the law only brought the curse of condemnation, thus the righteousness of Christ can come only by faith (Gal 3:10; Rom 4:13).

Being under the law only brought the curse of condemnation?

The law was added to the Abrahamic Covenant, until the Seed should come, because of the transgression of the children of Israel.

This enabled the children of Israel to have animals, take their place of punishment, so that the penalty for sin, which was death, was paid for by the innocent animal, on behalf of the one who sinned.

The children of Israel had been in Egypt for 400 years, and had grown accustomed to the gods and the ways of the Egyptians, in which they had strayed from the way of Abraham, who walked by faith, and obeyed God's Voice.

Since the children of Israel had transgressed the covenant, they needed a way to learn to righteous ways of the Lord, and to have the blessing of the Lord upon them... [I will be an enemy to your enemies, and curse them who curse you].

On the other hand, the Lord needed them to take the promised land away from the giants, which God promised to give to Abraham and his descendants, but couldn't do without His blessing upon them, the blessing of Abraham.

The law of Moses acted as a fence around the Abrahamic Covenant, to keep them from transgressing the Covenant, so God could continue to bless them, and fight for them to take the promised land which He promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

The law was added until the Seed should come.


JLB

 

[Deborah13]

That's a prime example of those who willfully deceived because nearly all of the false teachings were from these groups in attempts to hinder others coming to Christ.

imo....
Here is the true meaning of willful sin, as we see it in Hebrews 10.

 

[Jim Parker]

Rightly so.

That's not an answer.
Again; Please define what you mean by "righteousness."

 

[netchaplain]

Being under the law only brought the curse of condemnation?

The law was added to the Abrahamic Covenant, until the Seed should come, because of the transgression of the children of Israel.

This enabled the children of Israel to have animals, take their place of punishment, so that the penalty for sin, which was death, was paid for by the innocent animal, on behalf of the one who sinned.

The children of Israel had been in Egypt for 400 years, and had grown accustomed to the gods and the ways of the Egyptians, in which they had strayed from the way of Abraham, who walked by faith, and obeyed God's Voice.

Since the children of Israel had transgressed the covenant, they needed a way to learn to righteous ways of the Lord, and to have the blessing of the Lord upon them... [I will be an enemy to your enemies, and curse them who curse you].

On the other hand, the Lord needed them to take the promised land away from the giants, which God promised to give to Abraham and his descendants, but couldn't do without His blessing upon them, the blessing of Abraham.

The law of Moses acted as a fence around the Abrahamic Covenant, to keep them from transgressing the Covenant, so God could continue to bless them, and fight for them to take the promised land which He promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

The law was added until the Seed should come.


JLB

I agree, thus the Law was to show the need for God to bring them to belief and forgiveness--through the sacrificial law, which foreshadowed Christ's atonement. But this was to only those who learned not to sin "willfully" (Num 15:30).

 

[netchaplain]

That's not an answer.
Again; Please define what you mean by "righteousness."

There are various means of identification, i.e. righteousness is the evidence of those who are righteous, and the righteous are those who know it is not their's but rather is imputed vicariously in Christ's righteousness.

Blessings!

 

[Jim Parker]

There are various means of identification, i.e. righteousness is the evidence of those who are righteous, and the righteous are those who know it is not their's but rather is imputed vicariously in Christ's righteousness.

That doesn't not answer my question.
I did not ask what are the means of identifying righteousness.
I asked you to define exactly what you mean when you use the word, "righteousness."
You have not done that so, I can't really know what you mean when you say, "righteousness."

Please, tell me what you mean by "righteousness."


iakov the fool

 

[netchaplain]

You would need to pick out a passage for an example. I don't know how else to define it.

 

[netchaplain]

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It could just be that the definition of righteousness is different between our our understandings.

 

[Jim Parker]

It could just be that the definition of righteousness is different between our our understandings.

That could be, but I'll never know since you apparently have no definition.

 

[turnorburn]

Righteousness doesn't come from us..

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

 

[Jim Parker]

Righteousness doesn't come from us..
Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

How do you define "righteousness"?
Is it a thing that comes from somewhere?

 

[GodsGrace]

How do you define "righteousness"?
Is it a thing that comes from somewhere?

Seems to me the answer is in the word -
and that With God.

 

[Jim Parker]

Seems to me the answer is in the word -
and that With God.

I find it astounding that people talk about righteousness, and it has a prominent place in the New Testament, but no one is able to give a definition. They will teach and preach about it but when asked what it is, they have no answer.
Go figure.

 

[GodsGrace]

I find it astounding that people talk about righteousness, and it has a prominent place in the New Testament, but no one is able to give a definition. They will teach and preach about it but when asked what it is, they have no answer.
Go figure.

Like.

 

[reba]

G1343
δικαιοσύνη
dikaiosunē
dik-ah-yos-oo'-nay
From G1342; equity (of character or act); specifically (Christian) justification: - righteousness.
G1342
δίκαιος
dikaios
dik'-ah-yos
From G1349; equitable (in character or act); by implication innocent, holy (absolutely or relatively): - just, meet, right (-eous).
G1349
δίκη
dikē
dee'-kay
Probably from G1166; right (as self evident), that is, justice (the principle, a decision, or its execution): - judgment, punish, vengeance.
G1166
δεικνύω
deiknuō
dike-noo'-o
A prolonged form of an obsolete primary of the same meaning; to show (literally or figuratively): - shew.
H6664
צדק
tsedeq
tseh'-dek
From H6663; the right (natural, moral or legal); also (abstractly) equity or (figuratively) prosperity: - X even, (X that which is altogether) just (-ice), ([un-]) right (-eous) (cause, -ly, -ness).
H6663
צדק
tsâdaq
tsaw-dak'
A primitive root; to be (causatively make) right (in a moral or forensic sense): - cleanse, clear self, (be, do) just (-ice, -ify, -ify self), (be, turn to) righteous (-ness).

posted to demonstrate why many questions asked in the forums are not answered directly... We all have learned no matter how we answer it will be attacked...

 

[JLB]

I find it astounding that people talk about righteousness, and it has a prominent place in the New Testament, but no one is able to give a definition. They will teach and preach about it but when asked what it is, they have no answer.
Go figure.

I guess my answer didn't qualify as a definition.

Here it is again, in case you overlooked it.

• Obeying God; ie - doing what is right in His eye's.
• Expressing the righteous life of Jesus Christ within us.
• Being led by the Spirit.

JLB

 

[netchaplain]

How one is righteous is equally, if not more significant than how one may define it because each has their interpretation semantically. Only He who justifies is He who makes righteous. Since man cannot make one righteous, "Christ" must be "made unto us righteousness" (1Cor 1:30), which never becomes our own but is ever His. Thus, "your righteousness" (Mat 5:20) is Christ's righteousness, which is the only righteousness in existence and is why it can only be "imputed," and cannot be imparted.

 

[Jim Parker]

I guess my answer didn't qualify as a definition.
Here it is again, in case you overlooked it.

Obeying God; ie - doing what is right in His eye's.
Expressing the righteous life of Jesus Christ within us.
Being led by the Spirit.
JLB

I did not see it.
That's pretty good! Me likie!

iakov the fool

 

[MarkT]

I find it astounding that people talk about righteousness, and it has a prominent place in the New Testament, but no one is able to give a definition. They will teach and preach about it but when asked what it is, they have no answer.
Go figure.

Righteousness - the measure of one's ability to do right ie. to keep the law and all of its commandments.

 

[Jim Parker]

posted to demonstrate why many questions asked in the forums are not answered directly..

Uh... OoooKaaay......