the reason why there appears to be Christian opposition here and elsewhere is imho because the education accepted by yesterday's children that are today's adults - for juniors via google see [Fact vs Faith] textbooks and for seniors see www.EvolutionvsGod.com - is this how it should be for Christian children - any comments - twinc
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All children should be privy to the best and most reliable information we have in regards to every subject, including the sciences. Creationist propaganda such as that video, is not really a method I would use to best instruct my children.
Creationism has largely been destructive rather than constructive within the realm of science, as they hardly do any kind of real experiments nor offer theories within peer reviewed journals.
That's all beside the point though.
Education should be unbiased and factually based, and unless it is a private school the instruction should not be religiously inclined per the First Amendment ruling by Federal courts concerning the teaching of Creationism and Intelligent Design.
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Education should be unbiased and factually based = absolutely agreed = so why is it not so = because it is not so is exactly what is causing the opposition here that it is not Creationism and Christianity that are destructive but in and for Christians and others the lack thereof and the hankering and itch for the doctrines of fallible humans and demons - btw it seems you did not google [The illusion of Academic Freedom] by Apologetics Press for the correct and honest answers to your other biases and illusions imho - in passing also have a quick squint via google at [Quick....lets discriminate] - twinc = Christians come home now
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It's always been a chicken before the egg or the egg before the chicken scenario. It's the same with creation vs. evolution of who thinks they are right or wrong as the freedom is there to teach both by that of the first amendment, but it's up to us as Christian parents to instruct our children in the teachings of scripture.
Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
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I've given my two cents, have a nice day.
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imho it seems without their knowledge or permission Christian parents , in the main, have been duped into aiding and abetting and even paying for their children to be indoctrinated into accepting errors, lies, fakes,frauds, cons and that it is the Bible that is so very wrong and in error - parents should be dictating to schools and not vice versa imho - btw go back and have another look via google at [Fact vs Faith] textbooks for juniors education and for seniors see www.EvolutionvsGod.com - twinc
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I didn't go to the sites you posted as I've read so many of these things throughout the years. I'm saying Christian parents need to get more involved with what their children are being taught in public schools so that when they come home their parents can make the corrections of the false teachings they are hearing. Just like science, many good things are learned from it, but the parents have to draw a line when it comes to creation vs. evolution being taught to their children even at a young age or any age for that matter when it comes to education in the school system. One can teach science like we learned when we were in school without throwing the emphasis of evolution into the mix.
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One cannot teach a biology class without going into Evolution, that would be a massively incomplete education. Especially because so many reject evolution on the basis of not understanding it.
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of course that is exactly where you have it wrong and mislead and are misled - no creationist is asking or demanding that the theory of Evolution should not be taught - in fact insist that it should be taught so that it can be faulted and creationism alongside to fault it as untrue and unacceptable - as you yourself have recognised and stated 'education should be factually based and unbiased which it is not by any stretch of any imagination - twinc
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Your opinion is noted.
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I do not reject evolution because I don't understand it, I reject it because it is a false idea developed by scientists who do not want to accept the truth of how things came about and exist.
When it comes to science we will teach our kids that evolution is a theory, but nothing more and should not be given any more thought than that.
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One does not have to be a "world renowned biologist" to understand a concept taught within that realm of science. Also, one who might be considered a "world renowned biologist" is only actually considered so by those who are like minded. Meaning, those who believe in the lie that is evolution and refuse to accept the actual Truth.
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Well, I was homeschooled and I'm a supporter of homeschooling. I know I got a good education, and it also taught me to think for myself. I think people ought to be able to use the homeschooling route if they choose.
Though, not everyone is able to. They may not have the time, money, resources, or knowledge. So other options need to be there as well. Sometimes public school may be a family's only option. Private schools are expensive--I think the only reason I was able to attend one for my first few years of elementary school was because the people there cut my mom, a struggling single parent, a bit of slack.
I think I would agree with what was already said about keeping religious instructions out of public schooling. And I'm a creationist, but I'm not an advocate for sheltering children to the point that they don't know what the theory of evolution is. That just leads to finding out later on, and then questioning what you were taught all the more strongly.
Though, not everyone is able to. They may not have the time, money, resources, or knowledge. So other options need to be there as well. Sometimes public school may be a family's only option. Private schools are expensive--I think the only reason I was able to attend one for my first few years of elementary school was because the people there cut my mom, a struggling single parent, a bit of slack.
I think I would agree with what was already said about keeping religious instructions out of public schooling. And I'm a creationist, but I'm not an advocate for sheltering children to the point that they don't know what the theory of evolution is. That just leads to finding out later on, and then questioning what you were taught all the more strongly.
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seems you do not understand how Evolution (does not) work/s = natural selection does not work Evolution and this is part of the problem that somewhere somehow you have been misled to accept what you have accepted without in your infancy and school/college years being challenged imho - btw natural selection = variation not evolution imho - twinc
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You claim to understand evolution. Can you please explain how Natural Selection works then?
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Your opinion is noted. Please explain in detail what Natural Selection is, and why it does not work.
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I suppose I will take this challenge to the debating forum. Any Creationists who want to give it their best shot to explain how evolution works is welcome.
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Yes they can as I had biology in high school back in the 70's and the teacher never taught evolution. What is there to understand in evolution other than one trying to prove God never existed as this has always been the battle between creation and evolution.
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What is it that Christians hope to achieve when it comes to debating creation versus evolution? Why do the two have to be mutually exclusive? I believe in the creation: God commanded it and it was so. But believing in creation does not tell me by what method God purposed his creation. In Genesis 1 we are told that man and women were created in the image of God. The New Testament Scriptures tell us that we are created in the image of Christ, as his image is formed in us. Now as we walk our walk of Faith by the Grace of the Lord, is there anyone who can claim that they are a completed work in the Lord, fully created in his image yet; Or do you evolve and grow in the Spirit as the image of Christ is formed in you?
Now I am not going to say the man kind evolved from apes, but there is no denying that man kind and apes share very similar DNA. The scripture is quite clear in the epistles in its instruction to avoid foolish and unlearned question. When a Christian argues against evolution they are playing the part of a fool and and they are not serving the kingdom of God.
As a simple man with casual observation, I am aware that virus's evolve when they become resistant to certain types of bacteria. I can look out upon the horizon, to the mountains and towards the sea, and while change seldom comes in an instant, over a period of time the process of erosion becomes self evident.
1 Cor 15:36-38 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
When I look to nature I find a creature that resembles a worm, we call it a caterpillar. Now this caterpillar crawls about eating leaves and vegetation until the time that it spins a cocoon and dies. Or does it die? For out of that cocoon emerges a beautiful butterfly that no longer crawls upon its belly, but instead soars through the sky on the wings of a breeze. Did got create the caterpillar, or did God create the butterfly? Or could his process of creation be described as a form of evolution?
As a Christian we are called to make known the salvation of the Lord and to be a witness for the kingdom of heaven; A kingdom of Spirit. A kingdom many would label as make believe. But how can you as a Christian be a Faithful witness to the invisible things of God when you refuse to accept or simply deny those things that are readily apparent in the physical world? If you can not accept the things that are readily apparent in this world, why should anyone listen to you about that which is not so apparent, but requires a measure faith as well? Who is the wise and faithful servent?
Now I am not going to say the man kind evolved from apes, but there is no denying that man kind and apes share very similar DNA. The scripture is quite clear in the epistles in its instruction to avoid foolish and unlearned question. When a Christian argues against evolution they are playing the part of a fool and and they are not serving the kingdom of God.
As a simple man with casual observation, I am aware that virus's evolve when they become resistant to certain types of bacteria. I can look out upon the horizon, to the mountains and towards the sea, and while change seldom comes in an instant, over a period of time the process of erosion becomes self evident.
1 Cor 15:36-38 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
When I look to nature I find a creature that resembles a worm, we call it a caterpillar. Now this caterpillar crawls about eating leaves and vegetation until the time that it spins a cocoon and dies. Or does it die? For out of that cocoon emerges a beautiful butterfly that no longer crawls upon its belly, but instead soars through the sky on the wings of a breeze. Did got create the caterpillar, or did God create the butterfly? Or could his process of creation be described as a form of evolution?
As a Christian we are called to make known the salvation of the Lord and to be a witness for the kingdom of heaven; A kingdom of Spirit. A kingdom many would label as make believe. But how can you as a Christian be a Faithful witness to the invisible things of God when you refuse to accept or simply deny those things that are readily apparent in the physical world? If you can not accept the things that are readily apparent in this world, why should anyone listen to you about that which is not so apparent, but requires a measure faith as well? Who is the wise and faithful servent?