Dorothy Mae
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So it’s invalid otherwise?
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So it’s invalid otherwise?I dont understand your question. The letter was written to a specific people !
What are you talking about ? If you just want to insinuate dishonesty, then this conversation is over.Is this how you normally talk? If not, who is it Thee quoteth?
A person is saved by what Jesus Christ did. If you add to that, its works and another gospel.The way Jesus said we are saved is by believing.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
John 3:16
Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12
How does a person become saved without believing?
JLB
What do you mean invalid otherwise ? Its valid to other believers. The believers Peter wrote to werent exclusive, there were believers in Ephesus, Rome, Corinth and so forth. But the letters, epistles were still exclusive to believers, whether they be jew/gentile, black or white, male or female. But the epistles were not written to unbelieversSo it’s invalid otherwise?
Read what you wrote? Do you Shakespearen language? I quote you “person doest”…is that how you normally talk?What are you talking about ? If you just want to insinuate dishonesty, then this conversation is over.
Well you ought to know that unbelievers have read the epistles and became believers.What do you mean invalid otherwise ? Its valid to other believers. The believers Peter wrote to werent exclusive, there were believers in Ephesus, Rome, Corinth and so forth. But the letters, epistles were still exclusive to believers, whether they be jew/gentile, black or white, male or female. But the epistles were not written to unbelievers
So faith is an optional extra. Repentance is an optional extra. What else can this mean?A person is saved by what Jesus Christ did. If you add to that, its works and another gospel.
Consider this warning Dorthy Mae. The word doest is language of scripture, which I quote and use in my vocabulary often. Gen 4:7Read what you wrote? Do you Shakespearen language? I quote you “person doest”…is that how you normally talk?
If an unbeliever is regenerated they can read and believe because they receive the Gift of Faith by the Spirit. An unregenrated unbeliever cant read and believe.Well you ought to know that unbelievers have read the epistles and became believers.
Ive already explained, this is getting old !So faith is an optional extra. Repentance is an optional extra. What else can this mean?
This view is actually lived out in some Calvinists, including Calvin.
We can move on but you dance around the answer.Ive already explained, this is getting old !
Bright, you know the problem with this right? A regenerated person already believes because they’re already regenerated before they read and need no regeneration and the unregenerated person, who needs regeneration, is locked out of believing because they’re unregenerated.If an unbeliever is regenerated they can read and believe because they receive the Gift of Faith by the Spirit. An unregenrated unbeliever cant read and believe.
A regenerated person believes. A unregenerate person cant believe.Bright, you know the problem with this right? A regenerated person already believes because they’re already regenerated before they read and need no regeneration and the unregenerated person, who needs regeneration, is locked out of believing because they’re unregenerated.
What you’re missing, my dear Bright, is time. There is a time when an unregenerated person becomes regenerated but your theology cannot explain it. For you, that state has to always have been. Life doesn’t match that and the mercy of God precludes it.A regenerated person believes. A unregenerate person cant believe.
Its what you are missing. See Faith is a fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22 so one believes after having been given the Gift of Faith by the Spirit. When a regenerate person hears the Spiritual message of the Gospel in the power of the Spirit they believe.What you’re missing, my dear Bright, is time. There is a time when an unregenerated person becomes regenerated but your theology cannot explain it. For you, that state has to always have been. Life doesn’t match that and the mercy of God precludes it.
Which happens first? Regeneration or believing?Its what you are missing. See Faith is a fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22 so one believes after having been given the Gift of Faith by the Spirit. When a regenerate person hears the Spiritual message of the Gospel in the power of the Spirit they believe.
Otherwise the natural man void of the Spirit cannot believe, cant even spiritually understand the Gospel 1 Cor 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
So its simple, an regenerate unbeliever, can and will hear and believe, a unregenerate unbeliever cant hear spiritually and believe.
I cant believe you asked that after all i have been posting to you.Which happens first? Regeneration or believing?
You dance around the answer focusing on the point in time later.I cant believe you asked that after all i have been posting to you.
If you arent paying attention to my posts then its needless to answer your questions.You dance around the answer focusing on the point in time later.
Bright, we can move on. You describe people as though they never change over time. People either are regenerated or not. Period. Those states do not change for you.If you arent paying attention to my posts then its needless to answer your questions.