- Oct 23, 2003
I know. You clarified your original claim later on. But the point remains, that the original claim you made was fallacious with respect to the Biblical Text itself. That was my very specific point, yet a relevant one. And I didn't use fallacious logic to prove my point as Oz said.
Your counter was totally fallacious. God/The Trinity is NOT a created thing/power or any "thing" else. Comparing or equating The Creator to the created is a foul of basic christian theology.
That's all I needed to prove. You said "zero exceptions", I proved otherwise. Poof.
In your mind, a mistake was fostered. Nothing more than that.
Here is your reasoning: The Creator = the created. Therefore there is the exception that God didn't create all things.
Yes, that is a mistake on your part. Proof and poof of nothing but an error in theological reasoning.
If you would have said; 'God created all things, zero exceptions, other than things not created by God like The Son or The Holy Spirit', I probably would not have replied to begin with. But that's not the claim you originally made, that I replied to.
See the above. It's an error in reasoning.
We both agree that God did not create The Son or The Holy Spirit.
THEN why point to God/The Trinity and say God didn't create all things, by using The Creator as an exception? It makes no sense whatsoever.
But there are still problems with the point you are/were trying to make using those verses (Col 1:16,Rev 4:11). One is the first point I made; neither verse actually says "things" to begin with in the manuscripts. The word "things" is inserted to make it read better in English translations. Which leads to the second problem; Is "evil" a created "thing" that God made or not??? Those verses certainly do not say it is. That was my other point.
I specifically pointed out that God did create all powers, and by Him all things consist, Col. 1:16-17, and that evil is in fact a power, Hab. 2:9. Just as "death" is a power, Heb. 2:14, just as "the grave" is a power, Hos. 13:14. God assuredly "controls" all powers by reason of Divine Superiority and USES/DEPLOYS these powers as He So Chooses. There is more than ample scriptural evidence to show God using and deploying these "powers."
1 Samuel 2:6
The Lord killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.