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Hey someone can help that person they are a qualified doctor.
Do they have a jab. No. Well sorry they not allowed to help, but what if the person dies, well that's there fault. But they didnt make the rules they just wanted to help someone who needs help, sorry there fault. Are you mentally deranged, trump fault, are you feeling ok, bush fault, would you like to see a psychiatrist, your fault.
 
We all have to keep ourselves safe. I mean biological warfare has been around a long time. The amount of times someone has farted with a silent only for me to inhale there unhygienic rectal discharge fumes. I mean thats biological terrorism and not giving warning is negligence. And of course no one takes responsibility.
 
My buddy had a choice. He could either leave the issue and could possibly be ok for the rest of his life but if the vessel bursts he's dead, or have surgery but there is a risk attached. He decided to take the surgery and now he's brain damaged. I mean after surgery he escaped from hospital and we went to try find him and he was walking down the main road in his hospital gown eating donuts. Lol. Who knows how he got donuts with no money he doesn't even remember, himself, well he don't remember much anymore he still wakes up in the morning and thinks hes going to work when he's been retired for 20 years, and he doesn't even know the day or how old he is. But that was the personal medical decision he made and consented to so now he's brain damaged for life.
 
My friend is still ok and can socialise all good, we can still have conversations and laugh and joke but he forgets everything. Like 5 minutes later he won't remember what we talking about. Its like he has some type of dementia. I think something went wrong in brain surgery and he got brain damaged.
 
I go visit my friend and stay on the couch and get woken up at like 3am with the coffee jug and I'm like dude what are you doing and he's like getting ready for work and I'm like go back to bed you don't work anymore you been retired for 20 years and he's like I have to get ready for work and I'm like go back to bed, and i have to put him back to bed.
 
Yes, droplets that fall to the ground rather quickly. This is why the WHO and CDC recommended social distancing. The WHO recommended 3' and the CDC doubled it to 6'. Measles is an example of a virus that aerosols or becomes airborne and capable of infecting people for longer periods of time, up to 2 hours after an infected person leaves an area.
Yes, droplets do fall to the ground but it is also spread through aerosol particles, that is the point. Enclosed spaces, particularly those that are smaller or that have low air turnover rates, are bad places to be in. This has been known for quite some time, and is why some places could remain open while others were closed. There is a fair bit of science behind it which those who are anti-vax/anti-mask/anti-mandate have continually overlooked (I'm not saying you're doing that; it's just a general observation from what I've seen here, in the news, and on social media).

"Since COVID-19 is transmitted through contact with respiratory fluids carrying the infectious SARS-CoV-2 virus, a person can be exposed by an infected person coughing or speaking near them. They can also be exposed by inhaling aerosol particles that are spreading away from the infected person. Transmission of COVID-19 from inhalation of virus in the air can occur at distances greater than six feet. Particles from an infected person can move throughout an entire room or indoor space. The particles can also linger in the air after a person has left the room – they can remain airborne for hours in some cases."

https://www.epa.gov/coronavirus/indoor-air-and-coronavirus-covid-19

And I am not against people making the decisions for themselves. Government agencies make plenty of decisions for others that are far from the right decisions. Our government has a history of putting its nose into the business of other countries. Case in point would be Iraq. Who are we to decide what is best for them?
Those types of foreign policy decisions are far different than a virus which spread around the globe killing millions and leaving many more with long-term effects. Governments and people everywhere made both good and bad decisions.

Here's something to think about. Passing judgment on others based on your idea of what's right is in itself selfish too. Basically, your imposing your will or desires upon others. It's a good example of what Jesus talked about when He said that we should not judge lest we be judged with the same measure. And yes, by calling this out, I too am judging but of course, you've already judged me with that measure.
Well, the point would be that I am basing my arguments directly on what Scripture states, so my arguments stand or fall based on whether or not my understanding of the Bible, and how it applies to the pandemic, is correct. If correct, then I am not imposing my will or desires, I am admonishing and correcting, which the Bible says to do.
 
"Worldliness"

You can choose to live like the world and live in fear .
Or
You can choose to live like a Christian and live without fear .
There are a lot of ways to live like the world--idolatry, which includes selfishness and materialism, are chief among them. There is fear that is healthy and fear that is unhealthy.

2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
And what is the context?
 
Those types of foreign policy decisions are far different than a virus which spread around the globe killing millions and leaving many more with long-term effects. Governments and people everywhere made both good and bad decisions.
The policies decisions may have had a lesser impact but the point is still the same. Where do you draw the line? How many people are allowed fall victim to government over-reach and self-righteous policies before it is considered going too far?

Just think. If everyone would have taken the necessary steps to protect themselves from becoming infected in the first place, there would have been no world-wide pandemic. Do you need a government to tell you what to do and how to act? Are you incapable of taking responsibility for yourself and ergo the consequences if you're wrong?
 
Well, the point would be that I am basing my arguments directly on what Scripture states, so my arguments stand or fall based on whether or not my understanding of the Bible, and how it applies to the pandemic, is correct. If correct, then I am not imposing my will or desires, I am admonishing and correcting, which the Bible says to do.
Me too. So, where does that leave us?
 
The policies decisions may have had a lesser impact but the point is still the same. Where do you draw the line? How many people are allowed fall victim to government over-reach and self-righteous policies before it is considered going too far?
First, any policy with the pandemic would have to be shown to be overreach or self-righteous and not in the best interests of the citizens.

Just think. If everyone would have taken the necessary steps to protect themselves from becoming infected in the first place, there would have been no world-wide pandemic.
That would have been ideal but that is the problem: there are a lot of people who simply don't care and a lot who just don't know what to do. History would likely show this to be the case as well.

Do you need a government to tell you what to do and how to act? Are you incapable of taking responsibility for yourself and ergo the consequences if you're wrong?
Yes, people need the government, informed by relevant health experts, to know what to do. I'm not sure what you mean by your last question, since being wrong can mean one's death or the death of others, or having possibly permanent negative effects to one's health.

Me too. So, where does that leave us?
Which arguments of yours are you referring to?
 
There are a lot of ways to live like the world--idolatry, which includes selfishness and materialism, are chief among them. There is fear that is healthy and fear that is unhealthy.
The only healthy fear I can think of would the " flight or fight " response we have , and that should be over within a few seconds .
2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

And what is the context?
Do you think " the spirit of fear " that was propagated upon us because of the covid pandemic was from God ?
The media is the virus .
First, any policy with the pandemic would have to be shown to be overreach or self-righteous and not in the best interests of the citizens.
Overreach was closing small business ! Don't you agree ?
 
First, any policy with the pandemic would have to be shown to be overreach or self-righteous and not in the best interests of the citizens.


That would have been ideal but that is the problem: there are a lot of people who simply don't care and a lot who just don't know what to do. History would likely show this to be the case as well.


Yes, people need the government, informed by relevant health experts, to know what to do. I'm not sure what you mean by your last question, since being wrong can mean one's death or the death of others, or having possibly permanent negative effects to one's health.


Which arguments of yours are you referring to?
We've been around this merry-go-round before so I'll just humbly drop out at this point.
 
We've been around this merry-go-round before so I'll just humbly drop out at this point.
:shrug I'm genuinely asking. I don't know what pandemic related arguments you've made and what scripture you've referenced, or would reference, to support those arguments.
 
The only healthy fear I can think of would the " flight or fight " response we have , and that should be over within a few seconds .
Which leads us back to here: Pro 22:3 The prudent sees danger and hides himself, but the simple go on and suffer for it.

It is prudent to recognize danger (from a virus, for example) and take a course of action to keep oneself from that danger (get vaccinated, wear a mask, physically distance, etc.).

Do you think " the spirit of fear " that was propagated upon us because of the covid pandemic was from God ?
The media is the virus .
I'm simply asking what the context of that verse is.

Overreach was closing small business ! Don't you agree ?
Were small businesses closed by the government, and if so, why?
 
Were small businesses closed by the government, and if so, why?
Why ? To keep customers out of the stores . The stores , gyms , beauty salons , barber shops , etc . They were health mandated to be closed to customers and not to let customers in their stores or the would be fined or worse .
 
Why ? To keep customers out of the stores . The stores , gyms , beauty salons , barber shops , etc . They were health mandated to be closed to customers and not to let customers in their stores or the would be fined or worse .
Right. So, is it the government's responsibility to keep its citizens safe? If so, should be allowed to do what is necessary to provide that safety?
 
Right. So, is it the government's responsibility to keep its citizens safe? If so, should be allowed to do what is necessary to provide that safety?
Covid was not in Walmart , lowes or the liquor stores but it was in the shoe stores ?
 
Covid was not in Walmart , lowes or the liquor stores but it was in the shoe stores ?
Interesting how every time I ask that question here, I can't get a straight answer. But, it isn't surprising since I can't get a straight answer when I ask for the context of a verse.
 
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