Different ways to be saved.

[santamarana]

Act 2:21
'AND IT SHALL BE THAT EVERYONE WHO CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.'

Matt 10: 22
but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

John 10:9
I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved

Eph. 2:8
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith,

1st Cor. 1:21
it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

1st Tim. 2:4

1st Cor. 15:1-2
Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to youâ€â€unless you believed in vain.

1st Cor. 3:15
15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

Rom 10:9
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Well thats should be enough to get you started on the road to salvation.

So let's recap what we have learned.

We got to confess with our mouths, believe in our heart that God raised jesus from the dead, we got to be reconcilled to God, walk through the door, and be baptized, listen to the foolishness of preaching, come to a
knowledge of the truth, believe in the gospel, by which we are saved only If we remember it. But If our good works are burned we will suffer loss but will be saved by fire!

Wow! That doesn't sound all that hard now does it.

Oh I forgot one more!

1st John 5:9-10
for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

Rev 1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him,which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;

Rev 5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness,

Rev 3
3Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep (Actually "do") those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

 

[Julian Pyke]

You cant take the Bible so literally, you need to look at the time it was said, the passage, and read the whole passage.

 

[Darrell dunn]

You cant take the Bible so literally, you need to look at the time it was said, the passage, and read the whole passage.

Julian, You can take absolutely every word in the bible as absolute truth.

And God is very literal, and not one dot or title will pass away until it is all fulfilled.

God dose not write fiction, man dose.

 

[thessalonian]

[quote="Julian Pyke":86fae]You cant take the Bible so literally, you need to look at the time it was said, the passage, and read the whole passage.

Julian, You can take absolutely every word in the bible as absolute truth.

And God is very literal, and not one dot or title will pass away until it is all fulfilled.

God dose not write fiction, man dose.[/quote:86fae]

So Darrell,

What does God mean when he says:

John 6
53] So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you;
[54] he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
[55] For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
[56] He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.

That is from a literal, not fiction viewpoint like yours.

Thanks.

 

[Darrell dunn]

In the beginning was the WORD, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jesus took His body with Him when he went to be with the Father.

So the Word that we have left with us is the written Word, and if you won't consume it, then you can not know him.

And Jesus was holding bread and wine, when saying this, and we still take the bread and wine in remembrance of him.

Many do this wrong, and that is why they are sick and dieing young.
1 Cor.11:24-30.

 

[thessalonian]

Jesus took His body with Him when he went to be with the Father.

So what your telling me is it is no more possible for the verse to be literal than for a sea to part and become dry land, an axe to float, a bush to burn and not be consumed, a virgin to concieve, a few loaves and fish to feed five thousand, not counting women and children, the lame to walk, the blind to see, and the deaf to hear. They are all physically impossible of course. Your right, they must be a metaphores of some sort. :-?

 

[thessalonian]

Darrell,

Don't get me wrong. I do like your metaphore and it fits what I think.

Do you suppose that because Jesus used the Jonah thing metaphorically to speak about his death and resurrection there was really no Jonah or Whale?

I suppose the same is true of Paul using the bronze serpant incident. Those people must have perished because the serpant was a metaphore and not reality? :D

 

[Julian Pyke]

I know the bible is literal, but not everything is so LITERAL.

 

[thessalonian]

I know the bible is literal, but not everything is so LITERAL.

Oh I agree. Not everything is. I just don't know how many times after 4 he would have had to be literal in John 6 before we might believe him.

 

[santamarana]

I know the bible is literal, but not everything is so LITERAL.

Oh I agree. Not everything is. I just don't know how many times after 4 he would have had to be literal in John 6 before we might believe him.

Jesus said "The words I speak unto you they are spirit they are life"

We are "comparing spiritual things with spiritual."


Is this literal?

And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

He answered and said unto them, Because it is GIVEN unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is NOT GIVEN.

Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?

And why is that?
Because they are all deal with the same thing "The Kingdom" "Many called, and few chosen"

Only God can make you see the mystery's of the Kingdom.

 

[thessalonian]

Jesus said "The words I speak unto you they are spirit they are life"



We are "comparing spiritual things with spiritual."

Back up a phrase. He says "the flesh profits nothing. The words I speak are spirit and life". The point is he is not talking about food for the body like the feeding of the 5000 told just before this passage and fresh on their minds, but food for the soul.

Is this literal?

And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

He answered and said unto them, Because it is GIVEN unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is NOT GIVEN.

Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?

And why is that?
Because they are all deal with the same thing "The Kingdom" "Many called, and few chosen"

Only God can make you see the mystery's of the Kingdom.

I agree that only he can make YOU see the mysteries of the Kingdom. I see no parable in John 6. The only thing parables have to do with this is that we must consider the literary type of each passage in the context of the time. Yes Jeus uses metaphore in John 6 when he says "I am the bread of life". Bread is the metaphore because it is a staple that feeds mankind and that God used in the desert to feed the isralites. Jesus says he is the manna come down from heavnen. Our bread of life in our desert of life. Spiritual food for a spiritual journey. Hey that's kind of deep and spiritual. Jesus says "My flesh is true food, My blood is true drink" . This is not the language of metaphore. The Jews take him literally "how can he give us his flesh to eat" and he does not say "um guys I can't do that. You've got it wrong". But just affirms more deeply his words. His own disciples depart over his words which they say are hard to stand. No kidding. Peter is asked if he believes these words. If Jesus were just speaking metaphorically then what's the big deal. Peter says lord this isn't easy to believe but to whom do we have to turn. There is no question that Jesus is speaking literally. It fits the words and the reactions of the Jews, his disciples, and peter.

Blessings

 

[Brother Ian]

[quote="Julian Pyke":380c7]You cant take the Bible so literally, you need to look at the time it was said, the passage, and read the whole passage.

Julian, You can take absolutely every word in the bible as absolute truth.

And God is very literal, and not one dot or title will pass away until it is all fulfilled.

God dose not write fiction, man dose.[/quote:380c7]

That's not exactly true. If you study the parables, you'll find they represent heavenly truths but are not necessarily true themselves. They are stories Jesus used to illustrate imporant truths.

Context is king when it comes to Bible interpretation.

 

[LoveMe]

In the beginning was the WORD, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jesus took His body with Him when he went to be with the Father.

So the Word that we have left with us is the written Word, and if you won't consume it, then you can not know him.

And Jesus was holding bread and wine, when saying this, and we still take the bread and wine in remembrance of him.

Many do this wrong, and that is why they are sick and dieing young.
1 Cor.11:24-30.

AMEN :angel:

 

[Heidi]

Act 2:21
'AND IT SHALL BE THAT EVERYONE WHO CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.'

Matt 10: 22
but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

John 10:9
I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved

Eph. 2:8
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith,

1st Cor. 1:21
it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

1st Tim. 2:4

1st Cor. 15:1-2
Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to youâ€â€unless you believed in vain.

1st Cor. 3:15
15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

Rom 10:9
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Well thats should be enough to get you started on the road to salvation.

So let's recap what we have learned.

We got to confess with our mouths, believe in our heart that God raised jesus from the dead, we got to be reconcilled to God, walk through the door, and be baptized, listen to the foolishness of preaching, come to a
knowledge of the truth, believe in the gospel, by which we are saved only If we remember it. But If our good works are burned we will suffer loss but will be saved by fire!

Wow! That doesn't sound all that hard now does it.

Oh I forgot one more!

1st John 5:9-10
for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

Rev 1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him,which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;

Rev 5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness,

Rev 3
3Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep (Actually "do") those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Those passages you quoted are only trying to show us God's will for us as saved people. You cannot take each phrase out of the bible as an end in itself and say these are separate and exclusionary ways to be saved. They have to be taken in conjuncture with every other part of scripture.