Division

[thessalonian]

Just looking at all the threads. You protestants aren't agreeing on much these days. I see fighting going on over women role, salvation, assurance, the trinity, etc. etc. You all preach Sola Scriptura but you can't even agree on what it is. What you seem best at is that you can all bash on Catholicism. Your Gospel approach is "if I bash Catholicism, they will follow me or who I claim Christ is". You all have your own take on who he is and the nature of his Church. Solo believes he is infallible. Imitian believes there are no authorities and we are all to wing it on our own. D46 simple gives us the Gospel of anti-catholicism, Heidi and Merry are oneness. Anti-catholicism makes you feel comfortable where you are at. Follow my Christ you say. Divsion is not of God.

 

[NRoof]

Your Gospel approach is "if I bash Catholicism

Who's bashing who now?

Just food for thought.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Your Gospel approach is "if I bash Catholicism

Who's bashing who now?

Just food for thought.

Who is bashing whom?

I think drawing attention to specific arguments that are there for all to see does not qualify as "bashing."

Examples of Catholic bashing include
*bringing up paedophile priests in the process of a discussion about the bible canon

*accusing Catholics of idolatry in the process of a discussion about Constantine

*throwing out comments about the Inquisition, Crusades, Brown Scapular, and such during a discussion of favorite breakfast cereal.

Point being, the intent of the poster is revealed to be 'attack' when they throw out a confrontational statements not related to the discussion at hand. No one can deny that this happens with astonishing regularity on this board.

 

[NRoof]

Your Gospel approach is "if I bash Catholicism

Who's bashing who now?

Just food for thought.

Who is bashing whom?

Thank you very much for the grammer lesson.

I think drawing attention to specific arguments that are there for all to see does not qualify as "bashing."

Examples of Catholic bashing include
*bringing up paedophile priests in the process of a discussion about the bible canon

*accusing Catholics of idolatry in the process of a discussion about Constantine

*throwing out comments about the Inquisition, Crusades, Brown Scapular, and such during a discussion of favorite breakfast cereal.

Point being, the intent of the poster is revealed to be 'attack' when they throw out a confrontational statements not related to the discussion at hand. No one can deny that this happens with astonishing regularity on this board.
I fully agree but it is not limited to protestants.
My statements still stands as I fully believe it was the intent of Thessalonian to have a poke at protestants which is neither edifying or glorifying to God.

 

[Vic C.]

I fully agree but it is not limited to protestants.

My statements still stands as I fully believe it was the intent of Thessalonian to have a poke at protestants which is neither edifying or glorifying to God.

Nor is it limited to this site.

*Agrees with the second part as well and is looking for a good reason not to lock or delete this thread.*

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Just looking at all the threads. You protestants aren't agreeing on much these days. I see fighting going on over women role, salvation, assurance, the trinity, etc. etc. You all preach Sola Scriptura but you can't even agree on what it is. What you seem best at is that you can all bash on Catholicism. Your Gospel approach is "if I bash Catholicism, they will follow me or who I claim Christ is". You all have your own take on who he is and the nature of his Church. Solo believes he is infallible. Imitian believes there are no authorities and we are all to wing it on our own. D46 simple gives us the Gospel of anti-catholicism, Heidi and Merry are oneness. Anti-catholicism makes you feel comfortable where you are at. Follow my Christ you say. Divsion is not of God.

I certainly would appreciate it if you would not say "all" as I do not in any form bash Catholicism or feel that it is not a Christian denomination. Please don't overgeneralize this.

 

[Solo]

Hey Vic, what is the difference between Catholic bashing and Protestant bashing? :wink:

 

[thessalonian]

Just looking at all the threads. You protestants aren't agreeing on much these days. I see fighting going on over women role, salvation, assurance, the trinity, etc. etc. You all preach Sola Scriptura but you can't even agree on what it is. What you seem best at is that you can all bash on Catholicism. Your Gospel approach is "if I bash Catholicism, they will follow me or who I claim Christ is". You all have your own take on who he is and the nature of his Church. Solo believes he is infallible. Imitian believes there are no authorities and we are all to wing it on our own. D46 simple gives us the Gospel of anti-catholicism, Heidi and Merry are oneness. Anti-catholicism makes you feel comfortable where you are at. Follow my Christ you say. Divsion is not of God.

I certainly would appreciate it if you would not say "all" as I do not in any form bash Catholicism or feel that it is not a Christian denomination. Please don't overgeneralize this.

Apologies to you. You have not engaged in bashing. A rarity on this site.

 

[thessalonian]

Your Gospel approach is "if I bash Catholicism

Who's bashing who now?

Just food for thought.

Would you like me to back up each one of my statements with quotes. I have bashed noone. I have said nothing that they have not said themselves. How on earth is that bashing. The problem with my post is that it is true. The Gospel used for Catholics is the Gospel of anti-catholicism. The Gospel of "let's bring up the pedophile issue one more time and that should get them to come out of her". That is the effort that you guys use on this board to convert Catholics. It works for the lone sheep away from the fold but it does not work on message boards so you better change your tactics. And no two of you do agree with eachother on much. There is so much mudslinging between you and Mr. Solo telling everyone they don't have the Holy Spirit because they don't believe what he does. And he did in fact claim he was infallible. I will gladly back it up with quotes. If he is we are all damned to hell of course. But I'm not too concerned. The problem with you people is you cannot take honest assessment. You can't look yourself in the mirror and say what am I doing wrong? You can't look at eachother's posts and see the incredible division among you and say, something's not right here.

 

[thessalonian]

I fully agree but it is not limited to protestants.

My statements still stands as I fully believe it was the intent of Thessalonian to have a poke at protestants which is neither edifying or glorifying to God.

Nor is it limited to this site.

*Agrees with the second part as well and is looking for a good reason not to lock or delete this thread.*

Well I would challenge you to go to phatmass.com, or Catholicconvert.com, or Catholic.com and see how much divsion there is between Catholics who don't even know eachother and live all over the continent. And Catholic theology is much more broad than Protestant theology. You need to back up your statements. Yes there are dissenters in Catholicism. But there is no comparision to what you find on this very board and every Protestant board. You cant find two baptists who agree. It's no wonder in one place in brazile a woman named Kim Franklin found three pentecostal Churches on one block.

 

[NRoof]

There is so much mudslinging between you and Mr. Solo telling everyone they don't have the Holy Spirit because they don't believe what he does

You can't look yourself in the mirror and say what am I doing wrong?

OK show me where I have done any of the things you have just accused me of.

 

[thessalonian]

anihilationism, universalism, eternal suffering, pre-trib, post trib, no trib, amil, post mil, pre-mil, armenianism, calvinism 3-5 point, OSAS, Eternal Security, Trinity, Oneness, predestination, double predestination, sacramentalism, tongues, no tongues, miracles, no miracles, baptism saves, it doesn't, spiritual communion, consubstantiation, symbol only, non-denominationalism, undenominationalism, denominationalisim, health and weath, word of faith, zero sum, 10 forms of Open Theism, dispensationalism, futurism partial preterism, etc. etc., some say baptism for babies is okay, some say not. I could list things I've heard from protestants all night long. As I said a week ago I had one Protestant tell me her denomination teaches that the wailing and gnashing of teeth is about heaven. NO KIDDING. Want me to prove it. I'll show you the link. http://www.rachaellampa.com. Look over Leah's posts.

When will all these theories end. What does "Those who worship me must worship in spirit and in truth" mean anymore?
I'm not posting this to bash. But Jesus said "the truth shall set you free".
What is truth. You've even got a flaming relativist on this board who calls herself Protestant. Down with oppression is the message. You people are all over the map. The only thing you really have in common (besides your hatred of Catholcism) it seems is sola scriptura. But you can't even agree on what it means. Just read your own posts. I'm not posting anything that isn't evident if you read eachothers posts rather than focus on refuting Catholics. WAKE UP! DIVISION IS NOT OF GOD AND YOU ARE VERY DIVIDED.

 

[thessalonian]

There is so much mudslinging between you and Mr. Solo telling everyone they don't have the Holy Spirit because they don't believe what he does

[quote:f951a]You can't look yourself in the mirror and say what am I doing wrong?

OK show me where I have done any of the things you have just accused me of.[/quote:f951a]

The post was a general comment.

 

[thessalonian]

Open a phone book some day and tell me how many protestant denominations you see. And non-denominational denominations. You can even find a group that says that using musical instruments is wrong. (The Church of Christ). I am not bragging here because it is not of my doing but if I go to Austrailia it is easy to find a Church that teaches what I believe. It is easy to find people to fellowship with. The unity of the Catholic Church is unsurpassed. Protestantism is a hodge podge of division and disagreement. Division is not of God.

 

[D46]

The unity of the Catholic Church is unsurpassed. Protestantism is a hodge podge of division and disagreement. Division is not of God.

Why don't you get off your soap box for a change!! You harp about the "fundy's" doing nothing but putting down Catholics for this belilef and that belief while YOUR church can't decide whether the pope is infalliable or not, whether Christ is actually in that cracker or not, and other doctrines put forth in the catachism and in the Council of Trent. Give it a break! Get a pictured of the Vatican and put it on the ceiling over your bed so you can glorify and worship it a little more. If Catholicism's doctrines were indeed "semper eadem" they sure changed a lot over the centuries. Immaculate Conception was not always a doctrine nor was Mary's assumption or the infalliability of the pope. You have nothing to stand on in the arena of argument you pose against Protestants.Why are we not, since Vatican II, considered "separated brethen" instead of the heretics we were called for centuries? Is it so Rome's claws can appear to be withdrawn for a season until she lures Protestants into her fold? The entire Romish church is steeped in lies and deceit and that is for sure semper eadem! :-?

BTW-the reason for the Catholic church's reason for being is totally hinged upon your signature which they have forever misconstrewed. Scripture plainly provides this understanding, and once you understand, you will realize that the Roman Catholic theologians have been boldly lying to the faithful for over 1,000 years.

 

[Imagican]

No, Vic, Thess has a point. I admit to pointing out what I feel is 'wrong' with the Catholic church. And he is absolutely right in what he stated about my view, (except for accusing be of being a protestant). The only reason that he would group me together with the Protestants is because he believes that his belief predates mine and is the 'right' belief. Whereas, since mine came later, it must be 'wrong'. I disagree with this but that is certainly a matter of opinion. IMHO my understanding is that which I obtained from the word without much influence from either the Protestant or the Catholic side. What little influence that these have had on my beliefs is one of doubt, alarm and skepticism if anything. No offense taken by me Thess, I assure you. I understand your accusations towards me and my views, but they are wrong.

I think that bashing has occurred but I certainly haven't intentionally tried to be a basher. i HAVE indeed pointed out what I consider to be many many things that contradict the teachings of this faith. I think that because of the nature of this kind of forum that anyone not yet affiliated or even one that isn't really sure about some things should definitely be given the opportunity to hear ALL sides of an issue or denomination. Some of them will certainly be given a greater opportunity this way than simply following something or someone simply because they don't know any better or haven't been offered the truth. Let them listen and let them choose what they will. Most of what I have been a part of is easily proven with a bit of study and those that will be influenced without an effort made on their part are just as likely to follow some gothic faith that believe in vampires as they are to believe in someone like Jim Jones or David Koresh. Those that choose to be lost certainly will. but give the rest of em a chance.

I would like to point out Thess, (and you have to admit it yourself), I have not simply chosen the Catholics to, as you put it, 'bash', I have just as openly pointed out the faults of the 'Protestants' as well. So, in this light, I would appreciate you in the future referring to me as an Equal Opportunity Basher, instead of a Protestant. I don't subscribe to this doctrine anymore than I do to Catholicism.

And let me say this guys, there are things that both sides have an understanding of, (the truth). But neither are close to the 'whole' picture. I contend that there is ONLY ONE TRUTH and since neither Catholics or Protestants agree upon what it is, they obviously haven't found it yet.

 

[thessalonian]

oops.

 

[thessalonian]

No, Vic, Thess has a point. I admit to pointing out what I feel is 'wrong' with the Catholic church. And he is absolutely right in what he stated about my view, (except for accusing be of being a protestant). The only reason that he would group me together with the Protestants is because he believes that his belief predates mine and is the 'right' belief. Whereas, since mine came later, it must be 'wrong'. I disagree with this but that is certainly a matter of opinion. IMHO my understanding is that which I obtained from the word without much influence from either the Protestant or the Catholic side. What little influence that these have had on my beliefs is one of doubt, alarm and skepticism if anything. No offense taken by me Thess, I assure you. I understand your accusations towards me and my views, but it's wrong.

I think that bashing has occurred but I certainly haven't intentionally tried to be a basher. i HAVE indeed pointed out what I consider to be many many things that contradict the teachings of this faith. I think that because of the nature of this kind of forum that anyone not yet affiliated or even one that isn't really sure about some things should definitely be given the opportunity to hear ALL sides an issue or denomination. Some of them will certainly be given a greater opportunity this way than simply following something or someone simply because they don't know any better or haven't been offered the truth. Let them listen and let them choose what they will. Most of what I have been a part of is easily proven with a bit of study and those that will be influenced without an effort made on their part are just as likely to follow some gothic faith that believe in vampires as they are to believe in someone like Jim Jones or David Koresh. Those that choose to be lost certainly will. but give the rest of em a chance.

I would like to point out Thess, (and you have to admit it yourself), I have not simply chosen the Catholics to, as you put it, 'bash', I have just as openly pointed out the faults of the 'Protestants' as well. So, in this light, I would appreciate you in the future referring to me as an Equal Opportunity Basher, instead of a Protestant. I don't subscribe to this doctrine anymore than I do to Catholicism.

And let me say this guys, there are things that both sides have an understanding of, (the truth). But neither are close to the 'whole' picture. I contend that there is ONLY ONE TRUTH and since neither Catholics or Protestants agree upon what it is, they obviously haven't found it yet.

Your make yourself, your opinions and your personal logic the arbitar of truth. That you do not think the truth is in any Church does not mean anything. Jesus said you must worship in spirit and in truth. He says the truth will set you free. But you say we haven't found the truth and cannot know it. Nobody knows it and your hear to tell us that. You put yourself as arbitar of truth. Just another denomination of one. You make yourself authority over what is true. That is why we have denominations and division.

 

[thessalonian]

Ah that little Gospel message should bring that pagan Catholic around right quick. Thank you for validating my points oh Gospel of anti-catholicism preacher. This is the hope that is within you. Thanks for giving me the gospel straight up. All bow to D46's God. There is no love in that post. Only hatred. You hate Catholics and Catholicism. There is no other reason for such a post. You hate my guts. admit it. You could care less if I go to hell. That is exactly what your post comes accross as. Fortunately you are not my judge and Catholicism is the fullness of the truth. I will trust in Christ and not the Christ that you tell me to follow that is different from the Christ's that solo and nroof and cj tell me to follow.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Thess.

I appreciate the apology.

God bless