Then call it Sola Fide (which is in the Greek ablative sense), meaning "BY faith alone"
As in It is by faith alone we are justified."
btw: you continue strawman arguments after you have been corrected.
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As in It is by faith alone we are justified."
btw: you continue strawman arguments after you have been corrected.
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He took our sins upon humself shedding His blood for our salvation
does substitution mean we cannot do anything, the substitute has done it all for us?
and mean anything not even faith or accepting nothing at all
thks
substitution vs union
substitution is a complete replacement, Christ died for us and our sins, but did not remain dead but is risen from the dead.
redeemed us by His death, which also provides grace, life, & union with Christ!
Christ is our life of grace, with likeness to Christ we must walk as he walked in righteousness, godliness, & holiness!
Jn 15:4 abide in Christ
mt 26:41 watch and pray
mt 7:7 ask and you shall receive
Lk 9:23 phil 1:29 daily, deny thyself, take up thy cross and follow me.
mt 7:14 narrow road that leads to life
mt 10:22 mk 13:13 mt 24:13 endure to the end in patient suffering
rev 2:10 he who overcomes I shall give the crown of life!
the substitute and that which has been replaced have no union, no connection
that which has been replaced does not exist, only the substitute exists
simple example
in baking a cake I am out of butter, I will substitute margarine for butter.
the cake therefore has no butter in it, there is no union of butter with the margarine, and the butter does not exist!
Christ cannot be our substitute cos we have union with God and yhe saints in Christ empoby grace and the spirit required to do the will
of God, to fulfill the purpose of our creation, namely to know, love, and serve God!
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is charity included in sola fide?
"faith alone"?
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Nope:
But there is a 100% correlation:
They have the same cause:
The regenerated have faith
The regenerated have charity/love.
and again:
Those who are Predestined will be saved
Those who are Elect will be saved
Those who God calls will be saved
Those who are regenerated (born again) are saved
Those who have Faith are saved
Those who Repent are saved
Those who are Justified are saved
Those who are Adopted are saved
Those who are being sanctified are saved
Those who will be glorified will be saved..
Sola Fide addresses how we are justified.
Someone is initially justified (declared righteous God): not vindicated to others,
the very moment they have the God-given gift of faith, not mere mental assent
apart of any of our works of the law or our works done in righteousness.
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I feel comfortable with the English.
As men have for centuries confessed Jesus as Lord, and then turned their backs on Him, I know salvation will only be manifested on the day of judgment.
Isn't it though ?
They will be saved, as long as they have faith.
What happens when that faith is shown to be false ?
Do you think Ananias and Sapphira were saved ?
I don't.
Do you think Jesus was wrong when He said "but he that endureth to the end shall be saved." ? (Matt 10:22)
I don't.
Agreed...and if I give away that car, or wreck it, it is no longer mine.
Keep that faith...which worketh by love, until the end, and you will be saved.
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Agree! I will try to answer how I understand things. Bear in mind, I'm no scholar or theologian. Just a layperson trying to understand things too.
Faith is not something we choose to have. It's a gift that comes from God by His grace and mercy.
By grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
Ephesians 2:8-10 NKJV
If we can do anything to earn His love, earn His mercy, earn His grace, earn salvation then it is no longer a gift but instead a reward and then we could have reason to boast and without a doubt, we would boast for we do suffer from the sin of pride.
We have been created to do good works, not for the purpose of earning the gift, for that would open the door for boasting, but instead to do the good works because of the gift we have received. Jesus explained it in the Gospel of John.
Jesus said, "He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”
John 14:21 NKJV
And again,
“If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me."
John 14:23-24 NKJV
Remembering that our saving faith comes from God and not from ourselves, helps us to not think more highly of ourselves than we ought for God gives us what measure of faith He chooses. Paul explained this in Romans 12:3 NKJV.
For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith.
The closest thing to a work that we need to do for salvation is to trust and believe in Jesus. Suppose you receive a gift for a some of money in the form of a check. All you have to do to accept that gift is endorse and cash the check. Would that be a work that resulted in you earning that gift? No, it would merely be your acknowledging and accepting the gift which came not by any deserved merit on your part. So too is it with God's love and salvation.
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved."
John 3:16-17 NKJV
God never owes us His grace, His mercy, His love, or salvation. It is all by Him and not by anything we do. The gift has been placed on the table and all we can do is either accept it or deny it. God will do the growing from there.
Thank you Jesus! For I know without any doubt that I could not possibly earn my salvation. It is through you, the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
God bless you, donadams!
Good! then use "have been saved" instead of the archaic and inaccurate KJV: even the NKJV has "have been saved"
??????False faith has never saved anyone!!!
Never were their entire life
"We were saved, we are being saved: we will be saved."
I don't deny we will be saved:
You are denying we were saved.
By the generosity of the owner, you have been given a new car.
Next:
Can you agree you have been saved ?
In Eph 2:8; "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God
Great; you agreed that you have been given a new car.
Next:
Can you agree you have been saved ?
In Eph 2:8; "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God
No thanks, as it leads to the erroneous OSAS belief.
That is right.
How is a faith found to be false ?
Correct.
What was the thing that tipped you off ?
Your statement is self-nullifying.
If you are saved, how can you also be being saved ?
Salvation will be determined by the Judge, on the day of resurrection.
If our name is not found in the book of life, we won't be saved.
Yes, a car that can be lost.
No, as that will only be determined on the day of judgement.
In Eph 2:8: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"
"But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul." (Heb 10:39)
I think it is important to have the most accurate translation possible,
so I'm not KJV only.
In Eph 2:8; "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God
"you have been saved "aligns with the Greek manuscripts; the KJV does NOT.
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Eph 2:8 is Not about OSAS ;
It is about the condition or state of your soul at that moment.
You are injecting your own eisegesis into that verse.
"I have been loved by my spouse " does not mean I will always be loved
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I agree, and why I prefaced my remark with: "erroneous OSAS belief."
Can't you apply that lesson to your "have been saved" POV ?
