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End Times Chronology & The New Earth

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Can anyone explain this to me through Scripture? After the Great White Throne Judgement, the Lord is going to establish His eternal kingdom on earth (so awesome!) forever?

Also, what does End Times chronology entail? Trial & Tribulation, *Rapture, Apocalypse, Resurrection, 2nd Coming, etc.

*Please do not turn this into a rapture debate
 
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Can anyone explain this to me through Scripture? After the Great White Throne Judgement, the Lord is going to establish His eternal kingdom on earth (so awesome!) forever?

Also, what does End Times chronology entail? Trial & Tribulation, *Rapture, Apocalypse, Resurrection, 2nd Coming, etc.

*Please do not turn this into a rapture debate


Hi friend! Here is one that 'i' did somewhere?? See if it helps. (slightly altered)

Elijah here:
OK, this is as 'i' see it. Christ comes before the 1000 years. Earth 'itself' will now have a before creation's bottomless pit (per/say repeat Eccl. 3:15) with only satan & his evil crew alive during this 1000 years. (Read this prayerfully! Jer. 4:23-27) All the wicked when Christ comes Die. (are DEAD 2 Thess. 2:8-9) The Righteous arise in their first resurrection & all of these Righteous now living go back to heaven with Christ for the Judgement (1 Cor. 6:2-3) of the wicked, this judgement is only for the 'length' of their [executional] stage (Luke 12:47-48) according to the record b-o-o-k-s. (Rev. 20:12)


Christ stated in Rev. that when He came He brought His reward with Him, (Rev. 22:11-12) the saved & the lost. This finds the wicked & the Righteous SEPARATED! Eccl. 12:13-14 as this book has it! Again the wicked are [ALL DEAD] and judged 'only' by 'perfectly record books' only! Eccl. 12:13-14.

OK: Here is another thought. Say that you are saved, but your son or daughter is not. Say that you see in the record books in the future that before you were 'really maturely' saved, that you presumptuously lived your type of 'c'hristian life like most of the Rev. 17:1-5 ones who are eternally prophesied lost did. Meaning that smoking was OK! and being obese was no serious problem, and drinking? or... eating anything that we have even scientific knowledge is killing folks & shortening lives?? That also is OK, [ONLY BELIEVE] + have Grace asked on it huh?:screwloose

(and the trite of false doctrines?? But we will let that pass on for now.)

But finally.. these.. you'ins grow up in 'maturity'. Yet, in the past records ones 'see' that their kids followed their prior lived 'TESTIMONY', and died [even before 'their time' because of you] and unsaved!
Again, we are just supposing that we are looking in the ACCURATELY RECORDED BOOKS
of the past life of 'our' Sick Love of Christ, first, & then of mankind second. (ones family)

And do we LOVE either one, or both??? We will find out in judgement!

And yes, the mature do know that all tears will be wiped away, but that is seen after the 1000 years of Judgement! And the shortest verse in Christ Word? Is 'Jesus Wept'.

And while going over these records & seeing that there are many who were lost because of our lack of LOVE for them at that time, that surely should even now have us take inventory of our life!

--Elijah
 

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That was great Elijah, thank you!

What is the Bride of Christ doing while the Lord judges the dead? From your post, I gather that first the Judgement of the Dead must come and then the eternal new earth. Is that right?

When the new earth comes then the heavens will pass away?
 
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That was great Elijah, thank you!

What is the Bride of Christ doing while the Lord judges the dead? From your post, I gather that first the Judgement of the Dead must come and then the eternal new earth. Is that right?

When the new earth comes then the heavens will pass away?


Thanks! NO Condemnation? Wow, that is a change huh?;) (wasn' meaning you)

Some say the Bride is New Jersulaem. I see the Bride In the City of New Jesusalem. Rev. 21:1.. .

And I also see this at the END of the 1000 years. When Christ comes the Second time (Shortly) all of the Rightous dead & the Living 'i' see leaving together with Christ to go back to heaven for the fate of the wicked's judgement. (as said before, the length of executional suffering. Luke 12:47-48)

We were told that we will have a part in the judgement (1 Cor. 6:2-3 and just think of all the ACCURATE RECORDS kept. Rev. 20:12) and when Christ comes again we find that He brought His REWARD with Him. (Rev. 22:12)
And the ONLY question asked when Christ Comes Again was seen in Eccl. 12:13-14 as stated also in Rev. 22:14. 666 will be this repeated test. James 2:8-12.

And 'i' find the wicked having their promised resurrection at the end of the 1000 years, (to die the second death) coming up the same way that they entered death. (lost) At this time satan will once again have his DESIRED ones back, to attack the New Jersualem which will not set all the way down untile the earth (hell) purifies the heavens & the earth of anything that has been contaminated with sin.

These ones will ALL DIE the second death & suffer according to their 'just judgement'. Rev. 20:5. (before this, ALL TEARS WILL BE WIPED AWAY)

It is then that the saints will realize the final promise of 'the land' of Jerusalem. Zech. 14:45 And before the wicked will be executed, they will bow at the saved ones feet in acknowledgement of God's JUSTICE!

--Elijah
 
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Can anyone explain this to me through Scripture? After the Great White Throne Judgement, the Lord is going to establish His eternal kingdom on earth (so awesome!) forever?

Also, what does End Times chronology entail? Trial & Tribulation, *Rapture, Apocalypse, Resurrection, 2nd Coming, etc.

*Please do not turn this into a rapture debate


17For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
21And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
24And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. 25The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
Obvioulsy the New Heavens and Earth do not refer to the eternal state.
 
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Hitch,

for those who aren't familiar with this passage, would you kindly state the book and chapter? Thanks. :yes
 
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isiah sixty five. and that hitch is in the millenium not the new heavean age.


17For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
21And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
24And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. 25The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
Do you think the prophet made a mistake jason?
 

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Do you think the prophet made a mistake jason?

its the millenium why? that also refers to death of men who live to be a few hundred yrs. that isnt after the millenium.

after the millenium death is done away with.
 

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correlate that with the verses in revalation 20 and 21 after the final destruction of satan, and then the coming of the new city of jerusalem and where it says

that death shall be no more , no more sorrow, for the lord will wipe away all tears, neither shall death be remembered anymore

its your exegesis that is off.
 
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its the millenium why? that also refers to death of men who live to be a few hundred yrs. that isnt after the millenium.

after the millenium death is done away with.
17For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.


Well here it speaks of the NH&E .

Exactly where in this book is the thousand years mentioned?
 

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Death on this new earth?

hmmm dont think so. john sees the new heavens and the new earth, read it here.

revalation 20-22.



1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.


2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21
1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

9And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

10And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

11Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

12And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

13On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

14And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

15And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.

16And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

17And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

18And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.

19And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;

20The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.

21And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

22And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

23And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

24And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

26And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

27And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Revelation 22
1And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

3And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

4And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

5And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

6And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

7Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

8And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

9Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

10And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

11He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

21The grace of our Lord Jesus Chri
 
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17For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.


Well here it speaks of the NH&E .

Exactly where in this book is the thousand years mentioned?
Cant find one?
 

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Cant find one?

isiahs say death on the new earth. john says no death on the new earth.

hmm bible is lying.

capeesh. you do believe the bible cant be wrong?

so if isiah and says death on new earth then what was john seing?

and please for clarification is that isiah 65?
 
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Death on this new earth?

hmmm dont think so. john sees the new heavens and the new earth, read it here.

revalation 20-22.



1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.


2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21
1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

9And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

10And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

11Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

12And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

13On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

14And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

15And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.

16And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

17And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

18And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.

19And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;

20The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.

21And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

22And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

23And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

24And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

26And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

27And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Revelation 22
1And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

3And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

4And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

5And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

6And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

7Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

8And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

9Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

10And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

11He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

21The grace of our Lord Jesus Chri
Didnt Jesus speak to this issue?


And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?


I think its interesting that this passage and the one in your quote have the same author.
 

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Didnt Jesus speak to this issue?


And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

not revalant as to this time must be for the believer who cant die in the new earth according to the vision of John.
I think its interesting that this passage and the one in your quote have the same author.

uh now you ignore isiah 65:20

death on the new earth.
 
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isiahs say death on the new earth. john says no death on the new earth.

hmm bible is lying.

capeesh. you do believe the bible cant be wrong?

so if isiah and says death on new earth then what was john seing?

and please for clarification is that isiah 65?

Of course Isa 65;17.

John was 'seeing' an idealized version.

I reckon you're having some trouble with literalism. Scripture to be true and real and applicable need not always be literal in meaning or understanding.

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Yet John's vision is full of martyrs.
 

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Of course Isa 65;17.

John was 'seeing' an idealized version.

I reckon you're having some trouble with literalism. Scripture to be true and real and applicable neen not always be literal in meaning or understanding.

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?



no, the bible mention no death , what does that mean.

if we dont die in christ then why do you say we die again at age 100?

death is done

it doesnt matter if its a a billion yrs we die.

death is death. and that cant be

the believer doesnt die after he dies in the flesh as in this current state we must die.

john says death is done, no more
you say we dont die.

we dont die.

john 3:16. we dont see death in the spiritual sense and when we are ressurected we dont see death ever again.
 

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Of course Isa 65;17.

John was 'seeing' an idealized version.

I reckon you're having some trouble with literalism. Scripture to be true and real and applicable need not always be literal in meaning or understanding.

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Yet John's vision is full of martyrs.

really where does one stop with this part of idealisation?

surely God never intended men to die.
and why would have us die again.

he tell us that he restores the earth to what it was. the tree of life is back again.

interesting
 
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