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Eternal damnation

It's not necessary. "For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost." (Lk 19:10 NIV) Eternal suffering is exactly what He saves us from.
 
poetofparables said:
Why is eternal suffering necessary.
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It is necessary because Christ died on the Cross for our sins and whoever believes in Him will not perish but will have everlasting life John 3:16.Whoever does not believe in Christ will not have everlasting life but will spend an eternity in hell.It is a choice that everyone on this earth must make.Where do you want to spend your eternity?
 
Kathi said:
It is necessary because Christ died on the Cross for our sins and whoever believes in Him will not perish but will have everlasting life John 3:16.
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Im not sure what your saying there kath, it sounds paradoxical.
 
poetofparables said:
Why is it necessary (That it must exist)
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Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Dear poetofparables, God did not tell me why, but after all I've been through I have no reason to doubt God's word as I was delivered from years of untold suffering. I have been saved from me and born into God's kingdom with assurance out of, and separate from religion which took the early years of my life in ritual and tradition.

I truthfully do not know the extent of suffering to come forth to those not receiving Jesus freely now when they have the free choice to do so, but I can't now imagine the extent of loss if I were to not have God in my life forever more.

I have eternal life right now, will never come before that Great White Throne of judgment, and thus never will have to experience that.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
My Works? Oh my! Thank God I have been judged in Christ Jesus, and my Father sees me only in Him because we are not saved by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; (Titus 3:5). Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Dear friend, I do pray you find that freedom to choose eternal life instead of the converse. Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

May you be blessed in Christ Jesus.
 
Eugene said:
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Dear poetofparables, God did not tell me why, but after all I've been through I have no reason to doubt God's word as I was delivered from years of untold suffering. I have been saved from me and born into God's kingdom with assurance out of, and separate from religion which took the early years of my life in ritual and tradition.

I truthfully do not know the extent of suffering to come forth to those not receiving Jesus freely now when they have the free choice to do so, but I can't now imagine the extent of loss if I were to not have God in my life forever more.

I have eternal life right now, will never come before that Great White Throne of judgment, and thus never will have to experience that.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
My Works? Oh my! Thank God I have been judged in Christ Jesus, and my Father sees me only in Him because we are not saved by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; (Titus 3:5). Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Dear friend, I do pray you find that freedom to choose eternal life instead of the converse. Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

May you be blessed in Christ Jesus.
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Have you thought about why hell is necessary on your own and concluded anything, even if you think you could be wrong.
 
poetofparables said:
Have you thought about why hell is necessary on your own and concluded anything, even if you think you could be wrong.
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Yea I have walked through the vally of the shadow of death and The Lord was with me, He has lead me through fields and pastures, near springs and trees, setting me apart and making me Holy. Amen as Holy as The Spirit that dwells in you, beloved Child know that was you seek you will find Amen Shalom Emanuel Alleff Tav.
 
Je'di-Benjamin said:
Yea I have walked through the vally of the shadow of death and The Lord was with me, He has lead me through fields and pastures, near springs and trees, setting me apart and making me Holy. Amen as Holy as The Spirit that dwells in you, beloved Child know that was you seek you will find Amen Shalom Emanuel Alleff Tav.
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K.
 
poetofparables said:
Have you thought about why hell is necessary on your own and concluded anything, even if you think you could be wrong.
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Hi poetofparables, hell is not the final resting place of the dead; it is merely the abode of dead nonbelievers until judgment. Believers even as the thief on the cross next to Jesus proceeded to paradise the very day they died. Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

You might ask if I could be wrong believing this, and I would say no. God has given a measure of faith to all of us (Romans 12:3), and somehow my grew to fruition. If I would be wrong, what have I lost? Peace? If you would be wrong; what?
 
Eugene said:
Hi poetofparables, hell is not the final resting place of the dead; it is merely the abode of dead nonbelievers until judgment. Believers even as the thief on the cross next to Jesus proceeded to paradise the very day they died. Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

You might ask if I could be wrong believing this, and I would say no. God has given a measure of faith to all of us (Romans 12:3), and somehow my grew to fruition. If I would be wrong, what have I lost? Peace? If you would be wrong; what?
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So what happens at judgment and after?
 
poetofparables said:
So what happens at judgment and after?
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Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 
Eugene said:
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
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So we are back to the fire again, but why is it necessary to permit eternal suffering. In you're own words.
 
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