Eternal Security!

[donadams]

Eternal Security

accounted rightousness does not eliminate the deeds of righteousness but establishes them,

After receiving the grace of Justification by faith & baptism we are sanctified by the grace and righteousness of Christ!

For us it's the rightousness of Christ, therefore we must fulfill the deeds of Christ empowered by grace! (virtues, prayer, alms, fasting, self-denial suffering, sacraments "fruits of the sacrifice of Christ & our participation in the sacrifice" the narrow road ect.)

If it is grace then it is no loger works?

not no longer required to be done but no longer considered works because they are of Grace and done in union with Christ empowered by His life and grace!

faith, hope, charity are the opposite of

ETERNAL SECURITY!

eternal security violates the law of faith, "just shall live by faith" and it is presumption and sins against faith hope and charity!

Christians are called to be faithful!

mt 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

((not capable of sin))

1 John 3:15
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

((righteousness))

Romans 5:21
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

((faith))

1 John 2:25
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life

((hope))

Titus 1:2
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

Titus 3:7
That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

(presumption is a sin against the virtue of hope)
(the error of eternal security is the sin of presumption)
(cannot presume on God's goodness, grace, or mercy!)
(ask and you shall receive mt 7:7 mt 6:33 mt 26:41)

((charity))

Deut 6:5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us...

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema

Jude 1:21
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

((must be in Christ))
(grace is the life of God in us)

Jn 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Jn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

eph 2:1 & 2:5 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; (quickend brought to life)

((must abide in Christ till death believing and bearing fruit))

Jn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

1 John 1:2
(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

1 John 3:15
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

1 John 5:11-13
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Jn3:16 believes (state of believing)

((must endure to the end to be saved))

mk 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

mt 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.


((must be righteous))

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

1 tim 6:10-11

10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

((we are created to know love & serve God))

John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


((it is selfish self seeking))

John 12:25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

((supernatural good works))
(virtues)

John 4:36
And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together.

Romans 5:21
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord. (acts of righteousness)

1 Timothy 6:12
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

((faithful perseverance required))

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

1 tim 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Jude 1:21
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

((can lose grace and the promise of eternal life!))

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 John 3:15
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Gal 5:19-21

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Eph 5:2-6

2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

 

[donadams]

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

but what happens when we go back and walk after the flesh and fulfill the works of the flesh?


Gal 5:19-21

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Eph 5:2-6

2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.

16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

 

[donadams]

There can be no anathema or excommunication of heretics from holy mother church that results in damnation if eternal security is true!

 

[JLB]

There can be no anathema or excommunication of heretics from holy mother church that results in damnation if eternal security is true!

Catholicism is Heresy.

God loves all people.

God loves Catholic people.

The religion of Catholicism is heresy.

Roman Catholicism murdered more Christians than Hitler murdered Jews.

 

[donadams]

Catholicism is Heresy.

God loves all people.

God loves Catholic people.

The religion of Catholicism is heresy.

Roman Catholicism murdered more Christians than Hitler murdered Jews.

Catholicism is Heresy.

God loves all people.

God loves Catholic people.

The religion of Catholicism is heresy.

Roman Catholicism murdered more Christians than Hitler murdered Jews.

Saul Saul why does thou persecute me?

like him you think you are acting in righteousness and doing the will of God!

but in the blinding light of Christ the truth is manifest!

Amen!

 

[JLB]

Saul Saul why does thou persecute me?

like him you think you are acting in righteousness and doing the will of God!

but in the blinding light of Christ the truth is manifest!

Amen!

Catholicism is Heresy.

God loves all people.

God loves Catholic people.

The religion of Catholicism is heresy.

Roman Catholicism murdered more Christians than Hitler murdered Jews.

Which one of these statements do you disagree with?

 

[donadams]

Catholicism is Heresy.

God loves all people.

God loves Catholic people.

The religion of Catholicism is heresy.

Roman Catholicism murdered more Christians than Hitler murdered Jews.

Which one of these statements do you disagree with?

1) Catholicism is Heresy.
(disagree)
2) God loves all people.
(depends on what you mean by loves)
3) God loves Catholic people.
(depends on what you mean by loves)
4) The religion of Catholicism is heresy.
(repete of #1)
5) Roman Catholicism murdered more Christians than Hitler murdered Jews.
(disagree)
thks

what specific doctrine do you consider heretical?

the doctrine of works?

 

[JLB]

2) God loves all people.
(depends on what you mean by loves)

God loves all people, and wants all people to be a part of His family and live with Him in His kingdom forever… not because we deserve it, but because of who He is.

God is love.

 

[JLB]

what specific doctrine do you consider heretical?

Forbidding priests and nuns to marry.

Praying to Mary and saints.

Rosary beads.

Popes.

The Vatican

Immaculate Conception; the belief that Mary was born sinless

 

[donadams]

God loves all people, and wants all people to be a part of His family and live with Him in His kingdom forever… not because we deserve it, but because of who He is.

God is love.

Amen!
but it works both ways we must fulfill the purpose for which we were created!

To know, love, and serve God!

thks

 

[JLB]

Amen!
but it works both ways we must fulfill the purpose for which we were created!

To know, love, and serve God!

thks

I can’t disagree with that.

 

[donadams]

I can’t disagree with that.

Forbidding priests and nuns to marry.

Praying to Mary and saints.

Rosary beads.

Popes.

The Vatican

Immaculate Conception; the belief that Mary was born sinless

anyone Catholic can be married

there are 14 rites in the church some of these have all married priests

in the western rite celibacy is a disciple following Christ and Paul but not a doctrine

Matthew 19:29
And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, orfather, or mother, or wife, orchildren, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

nuns are consecrated virgins the brides of Christ who in imitation of Mary most holy have consecrated themselves and thier virginity to God and His service

song of solomon 1:3 Because of the savour of thy good ointments thy name is as ointment poured forth, therefore do the virgins love thee.

thks

btw if you are referring to 1 tim 4:1-3 it was fulfilled by the albigensian's who had two God's like the freemasons and their checkerboard floors black and white
a good god of the spiritual world (light) and and evil god of the material world (darkness) thks

 

[donadams]

Forbidding priests and nuns to marry.

Praying to Mary and saints.

Rosary beads.

Popes.

The Vatican

Immaculate Conception; the belief that Mary was born sinless

there is no requirement for any prayer beads, the rosary is a Jesus prayer meditation on the mysteries of His life death and resurrection

anyone in the communion of saints can pray and intercede for one another

Christ is the only mediator on the level of redemption and atonement not supplications

1 tim 2:5-6
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

1 tim 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

prayer is connected to the sacrifice of Christ!

rev 5:6-8

6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
thks

 

[donadams]

Forbidding priests and nuns to marry.

Praying to Mary and saints.

Rosary beads.

Popes.

The Vatican

Immaculate Conception; the belief that Mary was born sinless

the vatican was the seat of peter after Christ took the authority and jurisdiction from the successors of moses mt 23 and gave it to peter and the apostles and their successors mt 16:18-19
Isa 22:21-22 Jn 20:21-23
eph 2:20

The new covenant church!

Prophecy of the new covenant and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5 (holy mother church is the new Jerusalem the kingdom) gal 4:26 (one church) Jn 10:16

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesar’s) shall the God of heaven Is set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Daniel 6:26
I make a decree, That in every dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel: for he is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed, and his dominion shall be even unto the end.

Daniel 7:14
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

thks

 

[donadams]

Forbidding priests and nuns to marry.

Praying to Mary and saints.

Rosary beads.

Popes.

The Vatican

Immaculate Conception; the belief that Mary was born sinless

The immaculate conception actually refers to Mary being created by God without original sin. Lk 1:49

Zechariah 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications:

titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men.

Ineffabilis Deus
The Immaculate Conception
Pope Pius IX - 1854

“We declare, pronounce, and define that the doctrine which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instance of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the human race, was preserved free from all stain of original sin, is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful.”

Gen 3:15 I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.
(Enmities total war, none of satan’s works found in Her immaculate purity)

Lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
(Immaculate purity, full of grace, blessed)

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
(Mary must have immaculate purity)

Lk 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. (Preserved from all sin in virtue of the merits of the blood of the savior who is Her son)
(Christ is savior in forgiving sin and by His powerful grace preventing sin)

Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

“Things plural”

(Immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus)

Song of Solomon 4:1 Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes within thy locks: thy hair is as a flock of goats, that appear from mount Gilead.

Rev 12:1 a woman clothed with the sun.
(Immaculate purity)


Scripture says: “holiness befits thy house, O Lord” (Ps 93:5). Mary was Jesus’ “house” for 9 months so if holiness befits God’s house would not Mary be holy also? Just like the Ark and the Tabernacle she was set apart and consecrated to the Lord., the holy dwelling of God.
"God has formed the soul & body of the virgin Mary full of the Holy Spirit, so that She is without all sins for She has conceived and born the Lord Jesus"
Martin Luther

anything else? thks

 

[JLB]

anyone Catholic can be married

Why are Nuns and priests are not able to marry in Catholicism?

 

[JLB]

there is no requirement for any prayer beads, the rosary is a Jesus prayer meditation on the mysteries of His life death and resurrection

Why do people use rosary beads and who are they praying to when they recite the rosary?

 

[JLB]

the vatican was the seat of peter after Christ took the authority

Show me a scripture, not a scripture reference but a scripture where Christ or His apostles instructed us to build a massive Vatican in Rome and erect an obelisk in the courtyard.

 

[JLB]

The immaculate conception actually refers to Mary being created by God without original sin. Lk 1:49

For He who is mighty has done great things for me,
And holy is His name. Luke 1:49

This scripture says nothing about Mary being born sinless.

How deceitful to make such a preposterous unbiblical statement and tag it with a scripture reference knowing the actual scripture has nothing to do with your claim.

Do you have no fear of God?

Do you think it is a game to deceive God’s people in such a way.

How disgraceful.


And His mercy is on those who fear Him
From generation to generation. Luke 1:50

 

[donadams]

Why are Nuns and priests are not able to marry in Catholicism?

nuns cannot get married cos they have chosen to consecrate their virginity and themselves to God and His service alone!

priests could be married but they choose the latin rite with the discipline of Christ and paul celibacy

Matthew 19:29
And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, orfather, or mother, or wife, orchildren, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

thks