Eternal Security!

[onlysaved]

This plainly says … this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me


It’s also God’s will that not any should perish.

The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9

God desires (wills) that all be saved…

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 2:3-4

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16


It’s God’s will that the world be saved.


Will all men be saved?

Yes it's God's desire that all should come to repentance.. no all do however. It is also God's will to make some people for noble purpose and some for common use.

No not everyone will be saved but some will be and that by God's effort not human effort.


God wants all to be saved but not all will be saved. However those the Father had given to His son he has promised he will lose none.

You cannot be saved and become unsaved. Or is God a liar?

 

[JLB]

Yes it's God's desire that all should come to repentance.. no all do however.

I agree. Amen

No not everyone will be saved but some will be

Amen.

You cannot be saved and become unsaved. Or is God a liar?

God is certainly not a liar.

Let’s examine what Jesus taught.

It was right that we should make merry and be glad, for your brother was dead and is alive again, and was lost and is found.’ ” Luke 15:32

The “son” wandered away and became lost.


Do the lost need salvation?

 

[onlysaved]

I agree. Amen



Amen.



God is certainly not a liar.

Let’s examine what Jesus taught.

It was right that we should make merry and be glad, for your brother was dead and is alive again, and was lost and is found.’ ” Luke 15:32

The “son” wandered away and became lost.


Do the lost need salvation?

1. Its a parable about the mercy of God.. not a thesis in salvation.

2. Yes the lost need salvation, desperately

 

[JLB]

Yes the lost need salvation, desperately

Amen sir. I agree.

The “son” had wandered away and lived in sin, thus he became lost.

He no longer had salvation, therefore he was lost.

He had to repent just as an unbeliever does to be saved.

When he did this he was reconciled back to his father.


Amen.

 

[onlysaved]

Amen sir. I agree.

The “son” had wandered away and lived in sin, thus he became lost.

He no longer had salvation, therefore he was lost.

He had to repent just as an unbeliever does to be saved.

When he did this he was reconciled back to his father.


Amen.

The son did what he always longed to do and was always lost.

He came back to his father and became saved.

 

[JLB]

The son did what he always longed to do and was always lost.

The son wandered away and became lost; he became spiritually dead.


for this my son was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ And they began to be merry. ” Luke 15:24

 

[mailmandan]

The son did what he always longed to do and was always lost.

He came back to his father and became saved.

Amen! CONTEXT - All three parables in Luke 15 were in rebuke to the Pharisees and scribes who complained, saying, “This Man receives sinners and eats with them." (vs. 2) Eternal IN-securists will try to use the parable of the prodigal son to prove that believers can lose their salvation by arguing that the prodigal son was spiritually alive, then spiritually died (lost his salvation) and was spiritually alive again (regained his salvation) from Luke 15:32 based on certain translations which read: ..thy brother was dead, and is alive AGAIN (KJV) ..for your brother was dead and is alive AGAIN (NKJV) ..this brother of yours was dead and is alive AGAIN (NIV)

Yet in this parable, being made "alive AGAIN" foreshadows the "born AGAIN" experience that Jesus spoke of in John 3:3. Of course Jesus wasn't talking about being born again spiritually again and again. We are born once physically and born "again" once spiritually. I find it interesting that certain translations of Luke 15:32 simply say your brother was dead, and is alive; he was lost, and is found (ESV); your brother was dead, but now he is alive. He was lost, but now he is found (NCV); this brother of yours was dead and has come to life; he was lost and has been found (NRS); this brother of yours was dead and has begun to live and was lost and has been found (NASB).

 

[onlysaved]

The son wandered away and became lost; he became spiritually dead.


for this my son was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ And they began to be merry. ” Luke 15:24

No. He was born spiritually dead..

But again this is a parable about repentance and grace not a theological dissertation on salvation and using it as such is disingenuous to the text.

 

[JLB]

for your brother was dead and is alive AGAIN (NKJV) ..this brother of yours was dead and is alive AGAIN (NIV)

Was he physically dead or spiritually dead?

 

[JLB]

No. He was born spiritually dead..

But again this is a parable about repentance and grace not a theological dissertation on salvation and using it as such is disingenuous to the text.

for this my son was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ And they began to be merry. ” Luke 15:24

Alive again, means he was alive at one time, then wandered away and became spiritually dead, lost then when he repented and returned he was alive AGAIN.


By saying alive AGAIN, Jesus plainly teaches he was not born dead like your claim.


He wandered away from his father and became lost.

Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ Luke 15:6


His sheep who wander away and become lost must repent and return in order to be reconciled back to God.

 

[onlysaved]

for this my son was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ And they began to be merry. ” Luke 15:24

Alive again, means he was alive at one time, then wandered away and became spiritually dead, lost then when he repented and returned he was alive AGAIN.


By saying alive AGAIN, Jesus plainly teaches he was not born dead like your claim.


He wandered away from his father and became lost.

Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ Luke 15:6


His sheep who wander away and become lost must repent and return in order to be reconciled back to God.

Again, it's a parable.. not a theological dissertation. You cannot translate it like that. Its not an actual story that can be translated so literally.. it's a picture of what God's love is like.

 

[onlysaved]

Was he physically dead or spiritually dead?

If we are going to translate it so literally I'd say the son was never a live or dead because he literally never existed.. it is a parable...

 

[mailmandan]

Was he physically dead or spiritually dead?

He wasn't physically dead.

 

[JLB]

Again, it's a parable.. not a theological dissertation. You cannot translate it like that. Its not an actual story that can be translated so literally.. it's a picture of what God's love is like.

Do you believe a parable is supposed to teach us spiritual truth?

 

[JLB]

He wasn't physically dead.

I agree.

Do you believe the son in the state of being lost, needed salvation?

 

[JLB]

If we are going to translate it so literally I'd say the son was never a live or dead because he literally never existed.. it is a parable...

Do you believe in this parable that the son was never the son of the father, or do you believe he was the son of the father?

 

[Fish153]

Context:

This is referring to the 12 disciples. Not all believers.

“I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word…
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

JLB--

You have a very faulty theology. Just a few verses after Jesus says he prays for those the Father "has given him" he prays:

"NEITHER PRAY I FOR THESE ALONE, but for THEM also which shall believe on me through their word;
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me". (John 17: 20-21)

NO---He is NOT referring to just the 12 Apostles---he is referring to ALL who will ever believe in him!!! You desire so badly that your theology be correct that you make statements that are absolutely false.

 

[JLB]

JLB--

You have a very faulty theology. Just a few verses after Jesus says he prays for those the Father "has given him" he prays:

"NEITHER PRAY I FOR THESE ALONE, but for THEM also which shall believe on me through their word;
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me". (John 17: 20-21)

NO---He is NOT referring to just the 12 Apostles---he is referring to ALL who will ever believe in him!!! You desire so badly that your theology be correct that you make statements that are absolutely false.

So you deny that Jesus is referring to His 12 apostles when He makes this statement…

“I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. John 17:9-16


I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours.

Who do you believe “them” refers to?

and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.


Do you understand that a person can not lose something that is not his to begin with?

 

[onlysaved]

Do you believe in this parable that the son was never the son of the father, or do you believe he was the son of the father?

Physically yes. The same way that every person on earth is a child of God.

 

[onlysaved]

Do you believe a parable is supposed to teach us spiritual truth?

Yes and that truth is about how God receives those who repent.