Bible Study exodus

[eddif]

The heart is muscle mostly (flesh). On top of that is the natural pacemaker.

The natural pacemaker is mostly nerve tissue.
So
Spirit of mind controlling flesh.
Romans 7:25

Redneck
eddif

 

[GodsGrace]

The heart is muscle mostly (flesh). On top of that is the natural pacemaker.

The natural pacemaker is mostly nerve tissue.
So
Spirit of mind controlling flesh.
Romans 7:25

Redneck
eddif

You must be a cardiologist.
Sometimes the natural pacemaker gets screwed up.
Really.

 

[eddif]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardes_(Jewish_exegesis)

 

[eddif]

You must be a cardiologist.
Sometimes the natural pacemaker gets screwed up.
Really.

Spiritual cardiologist
The flesh gets messed up
So
Jesus was crucified to help our sin situation.

When the heart is so stony that it will no longer respond to the crucified looking natural pacemaker, modern medicine tries to boost the signal.

What we need is a heart of flesh. Which includes the praise of what God has done for us.

eddif

 

[jasonc]

Circumcision is a symbol that God reluctantly gave

 

[eddif]

Circumcision is a symbol that God reluctantly gave

Which level is your perception of where reluctantly fits?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardes_(Jewish_exegesis)

This is probably more your area than mine. I came into all this through a Gentile back door.

eddif

 

[jasonc]

Which level is your perception of where reluctantly fits?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardes_(Jewish_exegesis)

This is probably more your area than mine. I came into all this through a Gentile back door.

eddif

The bible says Abraham said give me a sign of your promise .the promise was given when Abram was first called.

 

[jasonc]

Verse 6
Joseph died, and all his brethren - That is, Joseph had now been some time dead, as also all his brethren, and all the Egyptians who had known Jacob and his twelve sons; and this is a sort of reason why the important services performed by Joseph were forgotten.


Verse 7
The children of Israel were fruitful - פרו paru, a general term, signifying that they were like healthy trees, bringing forth an abundance of fruit.
And increased - ישרץ yishretsu, they increased like fishes, as the original word implies. See Genesis 1:20; (note), and the note there.
Abundantly - ירבו yirbu, they multiplied; this is a separate term, and should not have been used as an adverb by our translators.
And waxed exceeding mighty - מאד במאד ויעצמו vaiyaatsmu bimod meod, and they became strong beyond measure - superlatively, superlatively - so that the land (Goshen) was filled with them. This astonishing increase was, under the providence of God, chiefly owing to two causes:

1. The Hebrew women were exceedingly fruitful, suffered very little in parturition, and probably often brought forth twins.

2. There appear to have been no premature deaths among them. Thus in about two hundred and fifteen years they were multiplied to upwards of 600,000, independently of old men, women, and children

ah here is the first Hebrew words Clarke mentions in Exodus. and I never thought of the level of Blessing they received. given the recent war with the Hisksos the Egyptians were worried that Isreal being that strong could have turned against Egypt and enslaved them instead. their biggest mistakes.

 

[eddif]

The bible says Abraham said give me a sign of your promise .the promise was given when Abram was first called.

And the sign given
A vision

Genesis 15:8 kjv
And he said, Lord GOD, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it?
9 And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon.
10 And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not.
11 And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away.
12 And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.
13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

Is this the sign you are thinking of?

Circumcision seems to be given as a pre sign of the coming Circumcision oh the heart.

Types and shadows are by revelation.

Good chance the later understanding of the word (dividing asunder) showing our dual nature. Mind and flesh.

eddif

 

[jasonc]

And the sign given
Genesis 15:8 kjv
And he said, Lord GOD, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it?
9 And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon.
10 And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not.
11 And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away.
12 And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.
13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

Is this the sign you are thinking of?

Circumcision seems to be given as a pre sign of the coming Circumcision oh the heart.

Types and shadows are by revelation.

Good chance the later understanding of the word (dividing asunder) showing our dual nature. Mind and flesh.

eddif

The verses there were before the incident of hagar aND that was by doubt ,then God after that doubt gave him circumsion.

See Genesis 15 to 17.

SaraI wanted a son or a child but was barren and their house had a servant who would recieve the inherentance.they acted in the flesh .

The original sign was that pillar of smoke and swearing.

 

[eddif]

The verses there were before the incident of hagar aND that was by doubt ,then God after that doubt gave him circumsion.

See Genesis 15 to 17.

SaraI wanted a son or a child but was barren and their house had a servant who would recieve the inherentance.they acted in the flesh .

The original sign was that pillar of smoke and swearing.

Ok I finally found out our lost thought.
Jason you made a statement in earths age, and Truthfrees put your quote in this thread.

Then wondering gave you a link about Circumcision.

Then eddif started talking about circumcision.

Then jasonc wonders what we are doing on the subject.

Your earth age quote
“I bbelieve moses was raised to know it by his mother and dad. he circumized his firstborn but not his second born until the Angel of the Lord was about to slay him.”

I think eddif and wondering thought you brought up
Circumcism in this thread. Sorry for the confusion.

eddif

 

[jasonc]

Verse 8
There arose up a new king - Who this was it is difficult to say. It was probably Ramesses Miamun, or his son Amenophis, who succeeded him in the government of Egypt about A. M. 2400, before Christ 1604.
Which knew not Joseph - The verb ידע yada, which we translate to know, often signifies to acknowledge or approve. See Judges 2:10; Psalm 1:6; Psalm 31:7; Hosea 2:8; Amos 3:2. The Greek verbs ειδω and γινωσκω are used precisely in the same sense in the New Testament. See Matthew 25:12, and 1 John 3:1. We may therefore understand by the new king's not knowing Joseph, his disapproving of that system of government which Joseph had established, as well as his haughtily refusing to acknowledge the obligations under which the whole land of Egypt was laid to this eminent prime minister of one of his predecessors.


Verse 9
He said unto his people - He probably summoned a council of his nobles and elders to consider the subject; and the result was to persecute and destroy them, as is afterwards stated.


Verse 10
They join also unto our enemies - It has been conjectured that Pharaoh had probably his eye on the oppressions which Egypt had suffered under the shepherd-kings, who for a long series of years had, according to Manetho, governed the land with extreme cruelty. As the Israelites were of the same occupation, (viz., shepherds), the jealous, cruel king found it easy to attribute to them the same motives; taking it for granted that they were only waiting for a favorable opportunity to join the enemies of Egypt, and so overrun the whole land.


Verse 11
Set over them task-masters - מסים שרי sarey missim, chiefs or princes of burdens, works, or tribute; επιστατας των εργων, Sept. overseers of the works. The persons who appointed them their work, and exacted the performance of it. The work itself being oppressive, and the manner in which it was exacted still more so, there is some room to think that they not only worked them unmercifully, but also obliged them to pay an exorbitant tribute at the same time.
Treasure cities - מסכנות ערי arey miscenoth, store cities - public granaries. Calmet supposes this to be the name of a city, and translates the verse thus: "They built cities, viz., Miscenoth, Pithom, and Rameses." Pithom is supposed to be that which Herodotus calls Patumos. Raamses, or rather Rameses, (for it is the same Hebrew word as in Genesis 47:11, and should be written the same way here as there), is supposed to have been the capital of the land of Goshen, mentioned in the book of Genesis by anticipation; for it was probably not erected till after the days of Joseph, when the Israelites were brought under that severe oppression described in the book of Exodus. The Septuagint add here, και Ων, ἡ εστιν Ἡλιουπολις· and On, which is Heliopolis; i.e., the city of the Sun. The same reading is found also in the Coptic version.
Some writers suppose that beside these cities the Israelites built the pyramids. If this conjecture be well founded, perhaps they are intended in the word מסכנות miscenoth, which, from סכן sachan, to lay up in store, might be intended to signify places where Pharaoh laid up his treasures; and from their structure they appear to have been designed for something of this kind. If the history of the pyramids be not found in the book of Exodus, it is nowhere else extant; their origin, if not alluded to here, being lost in their very remote antiquity. Diodorus Siculus, who has given the best traditions he could find relative to them, says that there was no agreement either among the inhabitants or the historians concerning the building of the pyramids - Bib. Hist., lib. 1., cap. lxiv.
Josephus expressly says that one part of the oppression suffered by the Israelites in Egypt was occasioned by building pyramids. See Clarke's note on Exodus 1:14.
In the book of Genesis, and in this book, the word Pharaoh frequently occurs, which, though many suppose it to be a proper name peculiar to one person, and by this supposition confound the acts of several Egyptian kings, yet is to be understood only as a name of office.
It may be necessary to observe that all the Egyptian kings, whatever their own name was, took the surname of Pharaoh when they came to the throne; a name which, in its general acceptation, signified the same as king or monarch, but in its literal meaning, as Bochart has amply proved, it signifies a crocodile, which being a sacred animal among the Egyptians, the word might be added to their kings in order to procure them the greater reverence and respect.

keep in mind that He is long dead and also has said things from archeology, but I wont go into the changes if any. the point he has made with the title pharaoh wouldn't change.

 

[Chopper]

amen

quoting these here too so the don't get lost

amen - a day starts at sundown and ends at the next sundown
why not his 2nd born?

Hi Truthfrees, This is a possibility.

Eliezer Zalmanov | Chabad.org
3/19/2018 11:02 PM
To c.d.allen@comcast.net

Hi Charles,

He knew that they will be traveling through the desert and that it can impede the healing of the circumcision, so he decided to postpone it until he reached Egypt.

 

[jasonc]

Verse 13
To serve with rigour - בפרך bepharech, with cruelty, great oppression; being ferocious with them. The word fierce is supposed by some to be derived from the Hebrew, as well as the Latin ferox, from which we more immediately bring our English term. This kind of cruelty to slaves, and ferociousness, unfeelingness, and hard-heartedness, were particularly forbidden to the children of Israel. See Leviticus 25:43, Leviticus 25:46, where the same word is used: Thou shalt not rule over him with Rigor, but shalt fear thy God.


Verse 14
They made their lives bitter - So that they became weary of life, through the severity of their servitude.
With hard bondage - קשה בעבדה baabodah kashah, with grievous servitude. This was the general character of their life in Egypt; it was a life of the most painful servitude, oppressive enough in itself, but made much more so by the cruel manner of their treatment while performing their tasks.
In mortar, and in brick - First, in digging the clay, kneading, and preparing it, and secondly, forming it into bricks, drying them in the sun, etc.
Service in the field - Carrying these materials to the places where they were to be formed into buildings, and serving the builders while employed in those public works. Josephus says "The Egyptians contrived a variety of ways to afflict the Israelites; for they enjoined them to cut a great number of channels for the river, and to build walls for their cities and ramparts, that they might restrain the river, and hinder its waters from stagnating upon its overrunning its own banks; they set them also to build pyramids, (πυραμιδας τε ανοικοδομουντες ), and wore them out, and forced them to learn all sorts of mechanic arts, and to accustom themselves to hard labor." - Antiq., lib. ii., cap. ix., sec. 1. Philo bears nearly the same testimony, p. 86, Edit. Mangey.

interesting that this misery leads to the rebirth of the Nation. slavery then redemption... sounds familiar? it should

 

[Razeontherock]

The bible says Abraham said give me a sign of your promise .the promise was given when Abram was first called.

Now that is deep!

It is an evil generation that seeks a sign

 

[eddif]

Now that is deep!

It is an evil generation that seeks a sign

Matthew 19:8 KJV
He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

You just got into the permissive will of God rather than the original intention of God.

Thomas was given the opportunity to see the signs of the crucifiction and resurrection, but blessed are those who have not seen yet believe.


Yes it is deep, but there is a foundation of why.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[jasonc]

Verse 16
Upon the stools - האבנים על al haobnayim . This is a difficult word, and occurs nowhere else in the Hebrew Bible but in Jeremiah 18:3, where we translate it the potter's wheels. As אכי signifies a stone, the obnayim has been supposed to signify a stone trough, in which they received and washed the infant as soon as born. Jarchi, in his book of Hebrew roots, gives a very different interpretation of it; he derives it from בן ben, a son, or בנים banim, children; his words must not be literally translated, but this is the sense: "When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, and ye see that the birth is broken forth, if it be a son, then ye shall kill him." Jonathan ben Uzziel gives us a curious reason for the command given by Pharaoh to the Egyptian women: "Pharaoh slept, and saw in his sleep a balance, and behold the whole land of Egypt stood in one scale, and a lamb in the other; and the scale in which the lamb was outweighed that in which was the land of Egypt. Immediately he sent and called all the chief magicians, and told them his dream. And Janes and Jimbres, (see 2 Timothy 3:8;). who were chief of the magicians, opened their mouths and said to Pharaoh, 'A child is shortly to be born in the congregation of the Israelites, whose hand shall destroy the whole land of Egypt.' Therefore Pharaoh spake to the midwives, etc."


Verse 17
The midwives feared God - Because they knew that God had forbidden murder of every kind; for though the law was not yet given, Exodus 20:13, being Hebrews they must have known that God had from the beginning declared, Whosoever sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed, Genesis 9:6. Therefore they saved the male children of all to whose assistance they were called. See Clarke's note on Exodus 1:19

 

[jasonc]

Verse 21

He made them houses - Dr. Shuckford thinks that there is something wrong both in the punctuation and translation of this place, and reads the passage thus, adding the 21st to the 20th verse: "And they multiplied and waxed mighty; and this happened (ויהי vayehi ) because the midwives feared God; and he (Pharaoh) made (להם lahem, masc.). them (the Israelites) houses; and commanded all his people, saying, Every son that is born, etc." The doctor supposes that previously to this time the Israelites had no fixed dwellings, but lived in tents, and therefore had a better opportunity of concealing their children; but now Pharaoh built them houses, and obliged them to dwell in them, and caused the Egyptians to watch over them, that all the male children might be destroyed, which could not have been easily effected had the Israelites continued to live in their usual scattered manner in tents. That the houses in question were not made for the midwives, but for the Israelites in general, the Hebrew text seems pretty plainly to indicate, for the pronoun להם lahem, to them, is the masculine gender; had the midwives been meant, the feminine pronoun להן lahen would have been used. Others contend that by making them houses, not only the midwives are intended, but also that the words mark an increase of their families, and that the objection taken from the masculine pronoun is of no weight, because these pronouns are often interchanged; see 1 Kings 22:17, where להם lahem is written, and in the parallel place, 2 Chronicles 18:16, להן lahen is used. So בהם bahem, in 1 Chronicles 10:7, is written בהן bahen, 1 Samuel 31:7, and in several other places. There is no doubt that God did bless the midwives, his approbation of their conduct is strictly marked; and there can be no doubt of his prospering the Israelites, for it is particularly said that the people multiplied and waxed very mighty. But the words most probably refer to the Israelites, whose houses or families were built up by an extraordinary in crease of children, notwithstanding the cruel policy of the Egyptian king. Vain is the counsel of man when opposed to the determinations of God! All the means used for the destruction of this people became in his hand instruments of their prosperity and increase. How true is the saying, If God be for us, who can be against us?

interesting