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Tempo

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Too many claims, having met Jesus, talked to God, seen Mary, inspired by the holy spirit.
They all claim to be Christians.

If you talk to Catholic, Mormon, JW, protestant, Quaker, seven days......etc. They all claim they inspire by the holy spirit.
How Christians distinguish between them, who is false and who is true Christian?
 
Too many claims, having met Jesus, talked to God, seen Mary, inspired by the holy spirit.
They all claim to be Christians.

If you talk to Catholic, Mormon, JW, protestant, Quaker, seven days......etc. They all claim they inspire by the holy spirit.
How Christians distinguish between them, who is false and who is true Christian?

2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.


By assessing their claims against the standard of God's word. For example, Christians often say to me, "The Spirit spoke to me and said this, that and the other." When they do, I ask them where the Holy Spirit did this in Scripture. Where in the Bible does it ever say that God communicated with anyone via a private, inner voice in their mind? Nowhere. God used angels, visions, dreams, prophets, even a disembodied hand and voice, but not once does Scripture ever describe God speaking to someone as a voice in their head. Christians force this idea into several Bible passages (John 10 being a favorite one), but none of them actually speak of an inner, divine voice speaking to believers. Inasmuch as there is no biblical warrant for the "God speaking in my head" belief, I discard it as unbiblical. This isn't to say God can't speak this way if He wanted to, only that I would never dogmatically prescribe such a thing as typical to walking with God when there is no instance or teaching in Scripture in support of it.

These same "God spoke to me" folk also many times tell me that in order to hear the "voice of the Spirit" one must train to hear his voice, by careful practice (and attendance at weekend "Hearing the Spirit" conferences at a hundred dollars a pop) learn to discern when the Spirit is speaking. I ask them, again, where in God's word this is ever taught. Usually, they go to the "still, small voice" in 1 Kings 19:12. But this event between Elijah and God didn't occur within Elijah's mind. He didn't hear a "voice in his head" but, hearing a "still small voice" outside his cave, went to the mouth of the cave to hear it better. In any case, nowhere in all of the OT, or NT, is anyone ever advised to train themselves to hear the Spirit's voice. In every instance in God's word where God had something to communicate directly to someone, He never failed to communicate it, even if the person didn't want to hear what He had to say, or wasn't expecting to hear from Him. Why, then, should I think I have to train myself to hear the voice of the Spirit?

God's word flatly condemns homosexuality and lesbianism. But many modern "Christians" hold a different view, believing that in certain relationships (long-term, monogamous) its okay. But same-sex sexuality is nowhere permitted in God's word. In fact, Paul the apostle wrote that anyone practicing homosexuality would not enter into God's kingdom. Full stop. No caveats or allowances. (Romans 1:18-22; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Jude 1:7) When "Christians" try to argue for homosexuality, I simply ask them to make their case from God's word, as I do against homosexuality. It's a short-lived effort they make, typically, since God's word is so clear and unequivocal about homosexuality being a moral abomination in God's eyes.

And so on. The better I know God's word, the better equipped I am to judge a person's claims about God and His Truth. Knowing God's word thoroughly really helps to cut through all the garbage of false teaching crowding in on the Church these days.

Matthew 22:29
29 But Jesus answered them, “You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God.
 
Too many claims, having met Jesus,
Jesus is my savior , I am Spirit filled . But no visual appearance .
talked to God
Often I talk to God , I pray .
seen Mary
No , I have not .
inspired by the holy spirit.
I receive guidance from the Holy Spirt .
How Christians distinguish between them, who is false and who is true Christian?
A lot of ways , one way would be are they bearing fruit of a Christian life .
Galatians 5
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
 
Where in the Bible does it ever say that God communicated with anyone via a private, inner voice in their mind? Nowhere. God used angels, visions, dreams, prophets, even a disembodied hand and voice, but not once does Scripture ever describe God speaking to someone as a voice in their head.
One night I was home alone strumming my guitar sitting on my couch . I heard a voice inside me tell a task to do . I did not even have to get off the couch to do said task . So I did the task and only then did I understand it was God speaking to me because of the results of what I was told to do . Hearing the voice speak to me was an odd experience , it felt like the voice was coming from very deep inside me , like I had a half mile deep cavern inside and the voice was coming from the depths .
 
Too many claims, having met Jesus, talked to God, seen Mary, inspired by the holy spirit.
They all claim to be Christians.

If you talk to Catholic, Mormon, JW, protestant, Quaker, seven days......etc. They all claim they inspire by the holy spirit.
How Christians distinguish between them, who is false and who is true Christian?
Tempo , do you understand that all Christians have talked to God ?
 
One night I was home alone strumming my guitar sitting on my couch . I heard a voice inside me tell a task to do . I did not even have to get off the couch to do said task . So I did the task and only then did I understand it was God speaking to me because of the results of what I was told to do . Hearing the voice speak to me was an odd experience , it felt like the voice was coming from very deep inside me , like I had a half mile deep cavern inside and the voice was coming from the depths .

Maybe it was God. There's no equivalent to your experience in God's word, though. And so, were I you, I would never be dogmatic about your experience being anything any other believer should expect or want. I would, though, be dogmatic about God communicating to born-again folks through His word, which the Holy Spirit "brings to remembrance."
 
Maybe it was God. There's no equivalent to your experience in God's word, though.
Yeah , about all we are told many times is the God spoke and we don't always get the manner in which God spoke to the person .
And so, were I you, I would never be dogmatic about your experience being anything any other believer should expect or want.
It was quite the experience . I was not seeking anything from God at the time , just here comes the words as I sat there with the guitar . The hollowness I felt inside as the Voice spoke was like nothing I have ever felt before .
I would, though, be dogmatic about God communicating to born-again folks through His word, which the Holy Spirit "brings to remembrance."
Yes , that is the way I get insights to God's Word and I am sure you do too . For me sometimes it is an instant communication without really trying to remember at all .
 
Too many claims, having met Jesus, talked to God, seen Mary, inspired by the holy spirit.
They all claim to be Christians.

If you talk to Catholic, Mormon, JW, protestant, Quaker, seven days......etc. They all claim they inspire by the holy spirit.
How Christians distinguish between them, who is false and who is true Christian?

By some estimates, there are ~200 Christian denominations in the USA and there are over 100 Bible versions translated into English. Yes, the denominations do say different things and the Bibles are translated from different base texts which also say different things. This accounts for the tremendous diversity of belief in Christianity which actually is itself divided into at least three main groups: Catholics, Protestants, and Restorationists.

That being said, it is possible, even highly likely, to get mislead. There is a challenge with parsing through the Bible and finding a church to attend. Of course, one of the goals is we want to find what the truth is.

There isn't any known way to help people who believe they have the truth, but don't and are wrong even when they believe they are correct. Jesus spoke about the word being received on the soil of someone's heart. Sometimes it takes root, sometimes it doesn't.

So the wheat will grow among the tares. God will sort it out in the end.
 
This dude from my home country he self annointed himself a bishop , and then self annoint himself bishop/King, and then decided hes a King so annointed himself King. Lol.

He lives in full luxury, tax free, from all the free gifts he recieves from his gullible manipulated followers who all give complusary 10% of there income thinking they giving to God in good faith.

And there has been a couple times the truth has stood up and raised there bible and called him out, but of course in his so called church there is huge security guards everywhere like they the SS just watching everyone closely so as soon as someone speaks out of line or exposes him the security on them and dragging that person out of there kicking them out.

I remember he predicted his church even using in the name of God would be ruling of the country like 20 years ago, but that never happened, unfortunataly for him because he is a false prophet and teacher he is not ruling the country, and everyone outside those he managed to psychologically manipulate just thinks hes a moron as he feeds himself and makes Jesus and christians look stupid.

Thats probably the best example of a false prophet i can give where im from.
 
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Too many claims, having met Jesus, talked to God, seen Mary, inspired by the holy spirit.
They all claim to be Christians.

If you talk to Catholic, Mormon, JW, protestant, Quaker, seven days......etc. They all claim they inspire by the holy spirit.
How Christians distinguish between them, who is false and who is true Christian?
From the very first use of the term 'Christian' it has been defined as someone who is a follower of Jesus Christ.

You can scratch off the majority of those who "claim" to be Christians today as they do not follow Christ at all.

True Christians are followers of Jesus Christ.

1 Jn. 2:6
Col. 2:6
 
No one has ever seen God or Jesus, John 1:18 and like all who have ever died, including Mary, are in their graves until Christ returns, John 3:13. God can speak to us through the glory of His creation, Romans 1:20, audibly through His Holy Spirit, John 16:13, also through dreams, visions and our thoughts, Joel 2:28. God also uses events and circumstances to speak to us and also uses people He has placed in our lives.
 
It is my belief that the false prophets (not the False Prophet) of this time are all who claim to hold a superior knowledge of "all things God"; and they will lead a lot of good people to a bad end. Preachers telling their congregations to assemble at their Church buildings to pray for deliverance when the poo hits the fan is a bad idea.
A person must seek the truth and the Light through an open mind and a open heart; not merely following some other foolish man.
 
From the very first use of the term 'Christian' it has been defined as someone who is a follower of Jesus Christ.

You can scratch off the majority of those who "claim" to be Christians today as they do not follow Christ at all.

True Christians are followers of Jesus Christ.

1 Jn. 2:6
Col. 2:6

A few years ago i was watching a interview with the head pastor of a mega church and he was asked a question and he replied he just scraches everyone in his church itchy ears.
 
By doctrine. Its either sound doctrine or false doctrine.

Matthew 7:15. Beware of false prophet's, which come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
7:16. Ye shall know them by thier fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or fig thistles?
7:17. Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings evil fruit.

The mormons don't believe in Trinity.
Don't believe birth of Jesus was pure.
Dont believe Mary was virgin.
This is cult. False doctrine.
I gave a example.

It's either good fruit.
Or dead works.
 
Hey All,
Tempo, we have this account from Acts 9.

Acts 9:4-6 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

Please notice how the event effected Paul. We know from reading about his perils, that Paul was a pretty tuff dude. The encounter with Jesus caused him to shake in fear, perplexed at what was happening.

John heard Jesus' voice when writing The Revelation as well. Rev. Chapters 1 and 22.
But do you have to be an apostle to hear it?

So since there is prescident within Scripture, it makes sense that it could happen today. I toil with the idea of why this would be necessary? As believers, we already have the Holy Spirit within us. So how big of an issue would warrant a visit from Jesus? I am wrestling with this even as I write it.
I can argue that both Saul/Paul an John were unique circumstances. Saul was on his way to kill Christians; and, oh by the way, become an apostle. John was being used by God for prophecy. The Bible is completed. There is no new Gospel/prophecy being written. But believers are still being killed. There is a need for intervention. I personally suspect a visit from Jesus is very rare.

How many believe Jesus still makes house calls?
If so, what would be so important that a visit from Jesus was necessary?

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.


By assessing their claims against the standard of God's word. For example, Christians often say to me, "The Spirit spoke to me and said this, that and the other." When they do, I ask them where the Holy Spirit did this in Scripture. Where in the Bible does it ever say that God communicated with anyone via a private, inner voice in their mind? Nowhere. God used angels, visions, dreams, prophets, even a disembodied hand and voice, but not once does Scripture ever describe God speaking to someone as a voice in their head...
I don't believe the distinction you make holds up. While it is correct all telepathic communication to the flesh brain is demonic. That is illustrated by the following text, the devil comes and can mimic a person's "inner voice" to disguise it is him arguing against God. He can also cause images and thoughts that contradict the gospel, "taking away" the word from their hearts (2 Cor. 2:11) :

11 "Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
12 "Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. (Lk. 8:11-12 NKJ)

Paul also speaks of this telepathic deception that affects the physical organ of the brain. "He who comes preaching another Jesus" can include "a different spirit":

3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted-- you may well put up with it! (2 Cor. 11:3-4 NKJ)

8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. (Gal. 1:8 NKJ)

Telepathic messaging is how Satan blinds the mind to the gospel:

3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. (2 Cor. 4:3-4 NKJ)


BUT the Holy Spirit speaks to our spirit, bypassing the fleshly organ of the brain, in a "non verbal" communication. But I wouldn't rule out He might use words on occasion (Acts. 13:2-4).

Our spirits "know what God is saying" without words, just as we "know we are the children of God" without words:

The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, (Rom. 8:16 NKJ)

Paul describes this communication as though it exists in our "conscience":

1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit,
2 that I have (Rom. 9:1-2 NKJ)

Christians commune with God the Holy Spirit all the time, often not realizing the "knowing" they should do something in Christ, is the Holy Spirit speaking to them.

13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.
16 For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ. (1 Cor. 2:13-16 NKJ)

But I agree with your fundamental thought, verbal words appearing in brain are not from God.

God has nothing to do with our fallen flesh, its unclean. But our spirit is born again, a new creature in Christ---born from above and sharers of divine nature, spiritually seated with Christ in the heavenlies.

God communes with the born again spirit because it is Holy in Christ, but not with the flesh, body or brain. Any sensation, any voice experienced in unclean flesh, is not from God. In our "flesh nothing good dwells" (Rom. 7:18):

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors-- not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh.
13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father."
16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
17 and if children, then heirs-- heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.
(Rom. 8:7-17 NKJ)
 
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I don't believe the distinction you make holds up. While it is correct all telepathic communication to the flesh brain is demonic. That is illustrated by the following text, the devil comes and can mimic a person's "inner voice" to disguise it is him arguing against God. He can also cause images and thoughts that contradict the gospel, "taking away" the word from their hearts (2 Cor. 2:11) :

11 "Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
12 "Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. (Lk. 8:11-12 NKJ)

The passage from Luke above doesn't say anything about demonic "telepathic communication to the flesh brain." Rather than inserting something into a person's "flesh brain," Jesus's words from the Gospel of Luke above indicate the devil takes "the word" out of a person's heart. I don't understand, then, why you offered the Luke 8 verses in support of your claim about devilish "telepathic communication." Jesus is saying the opposite of what you're claiming he's saying...

Paul also speaks of this telepathic deception that affects the physical organ of the brain. "He who comes preaching another Jesus" can include "a different spirit":

3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted-- you may well put up with it! (2 Cor. 11:3-4 NKJ)

8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. (Gal. 1:8 NKJ)

Paul says in the 2 Corinthians 11 passage that the minds of his readers might be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ by the believers at Corinth listening to the preaching of another Jesus whom Paul did not preach, or receiving a "different spirit, or a "different Gospel," from what they had received from Paul. But there is nothing about "telepathic deception" in Paul's remarks. Paul appears to be referring in verses 3-4, not to demonic agents working on a telepathic level, but to human ones speaking out loud, which he confirmed later in the chapter when he wrote:

2 Corinthians 11:14-15
14 No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.


Telepathic messaging is how Satan blinds the mind to the gospel:

3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. (2 Cor. 4:3-4 NKJ)

Paul didn't write anything about the "telepathic messaging" of Satan in this passage. He said only that the devil - the "god of this world" - had blinded the minds of Paul's contemporaries. How? Paul didn't say explicitly, but implied that this was done, at least in part, by way of the neglect of the preaching of the Gospel. It wasn't that the Gospel shone on the unbelieving and they rejected it, but that the light of the Gospel was kept from them lest, shining on them, it should save them.

BUT the Holy Spirit speaks to our spirit, bypassing the fleshly organ of the brain, in a "non verbal" communication. But I wouldn't rule out He might use words on occasion (Acts. 13:2-4).

Acts 13:2
2 While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, "Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them."


Where is it said in this verse that the Holy Spirit spoke to the "prophets and teachers" gathered at Antioch by "bypassing the fleshly organ of the brain, in a non-verbal communication"? Nowhere. This is entirely an assumption one must read into the passage, not draw out of it.

Our spirits "know what God is saying" without words, just as we "know we are the children of God" without words:

The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, (Rom. 8:16 NKJ)

Again, you've read into Scripture what isn't there. Romans 8:16 does not mean the Holy Spirit communicates with our own spirit "without words," "bypassing the fleshly organ of the brain." What it means is that the Holy Spirit acts upon the person within whom He dwells such that they know He is there and that they are, therefore, one of God's children. The Holy Spirit:

- convicts of sin, righteousness and judgment (John 16:8).
- teaches the born-again believer God's Truth (John 14:26; John 16:13; 1 Corinthians 2:10-16).
- strengthens the born-again believer. (Ephesians 3:16; Philippians 2;13; Romans 8:13; Philippians 4:13, etc.).
- comforts the born-again believer (2 Corinthians 1:3-5).
- fills and transforms the born-again believer (Galatians 5:22-23; Ephesians 5:18; Romans 8:29; 2 Corinthians
3:18
).

The "witness" of the Spirit, then, is not an entirely subjective "spirit knowledge," removed from rationality and the mind. Not at all. It is, rather, an objective, observable, mind-engaging work of God's Spirit upon those in whom he dwells.

Romans 12:2
2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.

Matthew 22:37-38
37 Jesus said unto him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.

Acts 17:11
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.


Romans 7:23-25
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

1 Corinthians 2:16
16 For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

1 Corinthians 14:19
19 however, in the church I desire to speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue.

Colossians 3:2
2 Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth.


And so on. It is exceedingly dangerous to remove the mind from the "equation" of spiritual living. We have no other means of learning, of gaining understanding, than by way of the mind. The entire Bible is, in fact, an appeal to our cognitive faculties, to our reasoning minds. This is no better expressed than in God's own words spoken through the prophet Isaiah:

Continued below.
 
Isaiah 1:18
18 "Come now, and let us reason together," Says the LORD, "Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.


In emulation of God, the apostle Paul also reasoned often with his Jewish brethren:

Acts 17:1-2
1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:
2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
(See also: Acts 18:19; 24:25)


Paul describes this communication as though it exists in our "conscience":

1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit,
2 that I have (Rom. 9:1-2 NKJ)

The human conscience is "the law of God written on the heart" (Romans 2:15), possessed of all human beings with a properly-functioning mind/brain. The conscience isn't, then, the unique possession of the Christian through which the Spirit "speaks" to them. Just like the unsaved person, the Christian person can develop a seared conscience as they ignore the pangs of their conscience, hardening into sin just like the unbeliever does. The conscience, then, isn't by any means a certain avenue through which the Spirit directs the believer. And, too, the pangs of one's conscience aren't distinct words from the Holy Spirit spoken in the mind of a person.

Christians commune with God the Holy Spirit all the time, often not realizing the "knowing" they should do something in Christ, is the Holy Spirit speaking to them.

13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.
16 For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ. (1 Cor. 2:13-16 NKJ)

I don't see how this passage from 1 Corinthians 2 bears out the assertion to which you've attached it. There is a Spirit-controlled and ordered mind and there is a natural, fleshly mind. The former is the possession of the born-again person, the latter the possession of the spiritually-unregenerate person. In both cases, though, it is the believer's MIND that is either spiritual or fleshly (natural). Paul emphasizes this at the end of the passage above, writing of the MIND of Christ that is the possession only of the born-again person.

It is entirely read into the passage that, when Paul wrote of the Spirit not speaking in "words which man's wisdom teaches," that he meant that the Spirit, therefore, "speaks" to believers by way of a subconscious "knowing that they should do something." At most, all that can be derived from Paul's words in verse 13 is that the Spirit will not speak to us the wisdom of Man, human wisdom, but supernatural wisdom, the "things of God." Paul does not imply that in not teaching human wisdom, the Holy Spirit circumvents the mind, speaking to the believer wordlessly. Such an idea must be forced into his words, not drawn out of them.

God has nothing to do with our fallen flesh, its unclean.

This is gnosticism. Beware.

God communes with the born again spirit because it is Holy in Christ, but not with the flesh, body or brain.

This is nowhere indicated in God's word.

Any sensation, any voice experienced in unclean flesh, is not from God.

Again, this is very gnostic and, as such, a dangerous departure from God's Truth.

When you obey God, do you do so only in a spirit realm, separated from your physical form? Did Paul pursue God's will for him apart from his physical body? Or did Paul endure beatings, and starvation, and imprisonment for Christ in his physical body? Was it Paul's spirit that traveled to the various Gentile churches in Asia Minor? Or did Paul use his legs and feet to walk to these churches, and his mouth to speak to them God's truth, and his eyes to see them and witness their fellowship with one another in the Lord? Only out from under the control of the Spirit is my body "unclean," a source of sinful impulse. Constantly under the Spirit's control, my body, my flesh, acts in the way God intended it to, my hands serving Him by serving others, my mouth speaking His truth in love and boldness, my eyes filled with the Light of His eternal truth, and so on.
 
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