False Rapture

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Amillennialism

What do you believe "amillenniallism" is?

is anti-semite

In your view, what does being an anti semite entail?

millennial-day blueprint: the seven days of the Creation Week are God's blueprint for seven thousand years of human history,

What Verses back this?

for six thousand years

That is about how long physical creation existed, yes.

Eden was God's headquarter,

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the intersection between heaven and earth; Adam was God's representative,

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Eve was the church

This is absurd. So you are implying the "church" sinned first! What do you believe the term "church" means ? Is it a building?

all the animals were the other nations.

Impossible. No Verses either. Is your pet dog a nation? No. It exists because God created real animals, rather than "nations". People can found nations on their own already. But they cannot make the biological wonder that is the Animal.

 

[Elijah7777]

But how on earth can they become heroes overnight, right after ignoring warnings of the Rapture and living loose lives? Christians take years to mature and grow strong enough to resist temptations and evil attacks. Wisdom isn't born in just a few years.

Perhaps you should read Corrie Tan Boon's book if you want an answer to that question. You look to the future without seeing the pattern that has already established itself in the past. Also there is the book Tortured for Christ but he has more confusion than Corrie. Then there is Ann Frank also. I have a whole story about a friend who was in a Polish prisoner of war camp and a guard knocked out one of his eyes with the butt of his rifle. You really do not have to look very hard to find the sort of situations people have to deal with.

Everyone has their cross to carry, but I think people get someone somewhere confused with everyone everywhere.

 

[Elijah7777]

Amillennialism is anti-semite,

The belief in a non-literal Messiah—that is, interpreting the messianic hope as a symbolic age of peace and justice rather than a personal redeemer—is most commonly found in Reform Judaism and parts of Reconstructionist Judaism.

Hasidic and Conservative believe in a Literal Messiah. This discussion was the subject of a book The Chosen by Chaim Potok, published in 1967 and a major bestseller throughout the late 1960s and 1970s.

• Two Jewish boys in 1940s Brooklyn: Reuven Malter, the son of a Modern Orthodox scholar, and Danny Saunders, the son of a Hasidic rabbi.
• Father as rabbi: Danny’s father, Reb Saunders, is a deeply devout Hasidic rabbi who expects Danny to inherit his spiritual leadership.
• Tension over Zionism: Reb Saunders believes Jews should wait for the Messiah to establish Israel, viewing secular Zionism as sacrilegious. In contrast, Reuven’s father supports the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine.
• Spiritual vs. political redemption: This debate—whether Israel should be re-established before the Messiah comes—is a central theme in the novel, dramatized through the boys’ friendship and their fathers’ opposing views.

 

[Elijah7777]

Eden was God's headquarter, the intersection between heaven and earth

The word is Tabernacle, not "headquarter". This is represented by the second letter in the Hebrew alphabet. Aleph (א) is the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet. It’s silent, yet foundational—like breath before speech.

Its shape holds mystery:

• A Yud above (heaven)
• A Yud below (earth)
• A Vav connecting them (the bridge)

Aleph represents oneness, divine presence, and the meeting point between heaven and earth—just like Eden, where spirit touched soil.

God wants to dwell with and be a part of His Creation. First the Tabernacle, then the veil was torn when Jesus died at calvery. Now the Holy Spirit dwells in the Church the people of God.

 

[Elijah7777]

I just can't believe in a literal 1000 years after Christ returns

Revelation 20 mentions “1,000 years” six times—all within verses 2 through 7. Here's how it's layered:

Six Mentions of “1,000 Years” in Revelation 20​

1. Verse 2 – Satan is bound for 1,000 years.
2. Verse 3 – He remains imprisoned for 1,000 years.
3. Verse 4 – The saints reign with Christ for 1,000 years.
4. Verse 5 – The rest of the dead do not live again until the 1,000 years are finished.
5. Verse 6 – Those in the first resurrection reign for 1,000 years.
6. Verse 7 – After the 1,000 years, Satan is released.

Do you have a different understanding of Revelation chapter 20?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

What do you believe "amillenniallism" is?

No millennial kingdom, denial of Rev. 20.

In your view, what does being an anti semite entail?

Sacking of Jerusalem is taught as the triggering event of Jesus's "symbolic" return.

What Verses back this?

" I declare the end from the beginning, and ancient times from what is still to come," Isaiah 46:10.

That is about how long physical creation existed, yes.

You add up all the years in various genealogies in the OT, from Gen. 5 all the way to Daniel's 70 week prophecy, you get approximately 4000 years. Go google it yourself, the verses are all there, in those boring "who and who at what age begat who" records.

This is absurd. So you are implying the "church" sinned first! What do you believe the term "church" means ? Is it a building?

Was Eve not the mother of all nations? Was the wife to the husband not the body to the head, as church is to Christ? If that's absurd, then I was being as absurd as Paul who drew the same comparison, I meant "church" in the same way he meant it.

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones. “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.

Impossible. No Verses either. Is your pet dog a nation? No. It exists because God created real animals, rather than "nations". People can found nations on their own already. But they cannot make the biological wonder that is the Animal.

Oh really? Then what about those four kings in Daniel's vision? What about Issachar, Naphtali and Benjamin? Are they literally donkey, deer and wolf?

Those great beasts (lion, bear, leopard and dragon), which are four, are four kings which arise out of the earth. (Dan. 7:17)
Issachar is a strong donkey, Lying down between two burdens; (Gen. 49:17)
Naphtali is a deer let loose; He uses beautiful words. (Gen. 49:21)
Benjamin is a ravenous wolf; In the morning he shall devour the prey, (Gen. 49:27)

 

[for_his_glory]

Revelation 20 mentions “1,000 years” six times—all within verses 2 through 7. Here's how it's layered:

Six Mentions of “1,000 Years” in Revelation 20​

1. Verse 2 – Satan is bound for 1,000 years.
2. Verse 3 – He remains imprisoned for 1,000 years.
3. Verse 4 – The saints reign with Christ for 1,000 years.
4. Verse 5 – The rest of the dead do not live again until the 1,000 years are finished.
5. Verse 6 – Those in the first resurrection reign for 1,000 years.
6. Verse 7 – After the 1,000 years, Satan is released.

Do you have a different understanding of Revelation chapter 20?

Right after the seven vial judgments have been poured out on those who took the mark of the beast mystery Babylon will have been revealed and destroyed with fire as the kings of all the nations who took part in her will flee and bewail her destruction as well as those merchants who were made rich by her. Heaven and all those souls that have gone back to God while their physical bodies returned to the ground/grave will then rejoice as their blood will be avenged by God as the great city Babylon that has been revealed will be destroyed and the preaching of the Gospel will end as the door of Salvation will be closed forever as in Jesus was life and life was the light of men, but the darkness could not comprehend it, Rev 16-18, John 1:1-5.

Rev 19:1-6 begins with all those in heaven as they are rejoicing as God will have judged the great whore and destroys her in the end of days as even now she is corrupting the earth an causes much blood shed as she persecutes the saints of God to death. Rev 19:7-10 comes the timing of the marriage of the Lamb as the whore of Babylon and her city will have been destroyed and all those who are Christ asleep in the grave and alive at His coming have prepared themselves for the marriage of the Lamb as they being His Bride will sup with Him for eternity. Rev 19:7-9 mentions nothing of us being caught up to Him yet, but to us it will be granted that we being the Bride should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white for the fine linen is the righteousness of the saints.

The events that follow after heaven rejoices starting with Rev 19:11-21 is that Jesus returns with his army of warring angels (not the saints of God) from heaven that follow Him, as Jesus will then destroy the beast and false prophet casting them into the lake of fire and then will strike dead the remnant by the words of His mouth as the remnant are those who the beast uses to rule evil over the nations. Christ then sends an angel to bind Satan for a 1000 years so he can no longer deceive the nations (people) anymore until he is set loose for a time. A 1000 years in Rev 20 is not literal years, but only symbolic of a certain period of time as nowhere else in scripture other than Rev 20 does it mention a literal 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth, but symbolic as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.

Rev 20:4-15 during this time of Satan being bound comes the resurrection of all, (as all means saints and those who are not of faith in God), who are asleep in the ground will hear the voice of Christ calling them to come forth as some will be resurrected to eternal life with the Father and others to damnation, John 5:28,29, 1Corinthians 15:51-58; 1Thessalonians 1:1-10; 4:13-18. When we are given our new glorified bodies Jesus will gather us to Him like a mother hen gathers her chicks under her wings for protection, Matthew 23:34-39. Satan will be loosed for a short time to go out and deceive the nations by gathering all those who are his own and then sends them to attack the camp of the saints, but God sends fire down from heaven and to devour them. Satan is then cast into the lake of fire followed by those who stand in Gods Great White Throne judgment and as their names are not written in the Lambs book of life will then be cast into the lake of fire and remembered no more.

Many teach that there are two resurrections, but that is not what scriptures says. There is only one resurrection, but two judgments of those who sleep in the grave, John 5:28,29. Everyone was created by God, but not all are found faithful to Him as many refused to Hear the word of God and turned away from Him and will continue to do so until the coming of the Lord. Then there are those like that of the parable Jesus gave in Matthew 25:14-30 and the judgment of the Gentiles in Matthew 25:31-46. We know Jesus comes with rewards as the rewards are different for each one.

Rev 6:9-11 and Rev 20:4 were only visions John was being shown as it is only the souls that are reigning with Christ in heaven as John 3:13 says no one other than Christ has ever ascended up to heaven. The only thing that goes back to God when this physical body dies and goes back to the dust of the ground is the very breath/spirit that made us a living soul as the soul can never die, Genesis 22:7; Ecc 12:7; Matthew 10:28. Those souls John was being shown are reigning with Christ in Heaven for a time until all of God's enemies become His footstool as Christ who sits at the right hand of the Father reigns with Him in heaven until the end comes on the last day, John 6:40, when Christ returns and establishes His kingdom here on earth and takes His seat on the throne of David in the New Jerusalem, Isaiah 66:1; Matthew 5:33-37; Hebrews 10:12,13.

Many look for a physical kingdom here on earth and read into Rev 20 that Christ will reign for a thousand years here on earth with His saints, but truth is that Christ has always reigned with God from before the foundation of the world and for eternity, John 1:1-4; 1Peter 1:18-23. It was Satan's pride that caused the nations to sin against God as Satan ruled evil over the nations, Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:13-17, but yet the nations have always been Gods kingdoms as in the end of days He will separate the sheep from the goats/wheat from the tares. In Rev 11:14-19 the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign forever. What this means is that Gods longsuffering and patience will come to an end, 2 Peter 3:9, 10, as His great wrath is poured out on the earth. All His enemies will become His footstool, then will He send Christ and His army of angels to destroy all that is an abomination to Him casting it all into the lake of fire. Jesus will at that time establish His kingdom here on earth as God makes new the heaven and earth ushering down the new Jerusalem as we will then be with the Lord forever, Luke 19:12; 1Corinthians 15:20-26; 2Peter 3:10; Colossians 1:13; John 18:36, Rev 21:1.

Everything from Rev 11:14 that starts the third woe with the seventh trumpet sounding and continues through Rev 20:15 comes quickly in Gods timing, even though man tries to put a certain timing to the beginning and end of Gods great wrath. We inherit the kingdoms of God from the day of our Spiritual rebirth, John 3:3-6; Romans 10:9,10 as they have been prepared for us from the foundation of the world, Matthew 25:34. We reign with Christ here on this present earth as Gods grace gives us all power and authority through that of Christ Jesus for it is not our power and authority, but is Christ's that works in us and through us as a faithful servant as He is in us and we in Him.

IMO, I believe 1000 being a figurative number, not a literal number as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2 Peter 3:8.

 

[RandyK]

Perhaps you should read Corrie Tan Boon's book if you want an answer to that question. You look to the future without seeing the pattern that has already established itself in the past. Also there is the book Tortured for Christ but he has more confusion than Corrie. Then there is Ann Frank also. I have a whole story about a friend who was in a Polish prisoner of war camp and a guard knocked out one of his eyes with the butt of his rifle. You really do not have to look very hard to find the sort of situations people have to deal with.

Everyone has their cross to carry, but I think people get someone somewhere confused with everyone everywhere.

I read both books a very long time ago. Being tortured is not a matter of maturing in Christ and then resisting the antichrists of our age. Yes, a young Christian can immediately make heroic decisions, but this would be relatively rare. The author of China Cry was persecuted for being a Christian even though at the time she didn't think she was a Christian!

Historically, the Christian has had to "grow up and mature in Christ" in order to become a favorable witness to a pagan society. Paul mentions how he spent about 17 years preparing for his ministry, even though he began right away testifying for Christ.

You will not have a "glorious Church" testifying to the whole world during a 3.5 year reign of Antichrist if *all* of these Christians across the world were recent converts from a position that had just recently denied the Coming of Christ was imminent and had been living compromised lives. In particular, if all of the "good Christians" were gone in a Pretrib Rapture there would be little ministry and edification to strengthen the young or weak Christians who are recent converts.

It is not recently compromised Christians across the world who had supposedly "missed the Rapture" who would act heroic like Corrie ten Boom! The biggest danger from compromised Christians like this would be the danger of returning to their compromise under the pressures of an Antichristian system!

Corrie ten Boom was not like a Christian who would've rejected Christ's imminent Coming or who had lived a compromised life disqualifying her from the coming Rapture. Rather, she had lived in a good Christian family life long and therefore naturally chose to resist the Nazis and defend the Jews.

And I don't know why you would compare her to those who had supposedly missed the Rapture and suddenly do an about face, acting with courage just days after having acted like a compromised Christian? Again, such heroics would rarely happen to recent betrayers of Christian endurance, and certainly would not happen under pressure across the earth!

 

[RandyK]

It is too horrible to picture us as the trabulation saints slain by the Beast System for rejecting the mark. Most are not prepared to be martyred for Christ like Charlie, rapture theory is a sales pitch to ease the anxiety and fear of the Great Tribulation.

Personally, I think the anxiety created about the "Great Tribulation" is a ruse designed by Pretribbers to panic people into agreeing with them that there must be a Pretrib Rapture to escape the "Wrath of God." Don't get me wrong--I believe there will be a 3.5 year Reign of Antichrist, based in Europe, that will lead the world in persecuting both Christians and Jews. But similar events have happened throughout history. Death by the Romans is no different than being beheaded by Antichrist.

What makes the Great Tribulation "great" is the length of time the Jews suffer in the NT age. The "Great Tribulation" is, according to Jesus, a *Jewish Punishment* for rejecting their day of visitation.

It is the extremely long period of time that God set them aside, as compared with the 70 year Babylonian Captivity. It is not the extremity of the punishment inflicted by Antichrist in the last 3.5 years of this age, nor a continuous outpouring of God's Wrath prematurely for 3.5 long years!

Most of God's Wrath takes place at the very end, and in particular at Christ's Coming itself to destroy a portion of the world by the fires of Armageddon, sending the lost into eternal punishment. There will always be various forms of punishment during the reign of antichrists.

But to make this outpouring of divine punishment something to panic over by Christians is, I think, over the top. That is not the meaning of "great tribulation."

 

[for_his_glory]

Many Messianic Jews skirt the theological divide between Old Covenant and New Covenant--perhaps it's because their Jewish background is so strong, and their Christian theology so new or so weak. But you would be correct in saying that the Law was given strictly to Israel before the cross. It was designed as a temporary atonement, or "fix," until Christ could make atonement permanent and eternal.

Therefore, when Christ died on the cross, and the veil of the Temple was ripped in half, the Old Covenant laws ceased to be in effect, for Israel or for anybody. Where the confusion comes, however, is in recognizing that some moral or legal principles contained within the Law of Moses are eternal and apply to Man as he was created in the image of God.

Therefore, "do not murder," or "do not covet" were eternal principles inscribed into the Law but are not dependent upon the Law to be in effect. We are always to avoid murder and covetousness since we were mandated to live in the image of God.

The Law was indeed a "schoolmaster" leading us to Christ, in whom the fulfillment of all of God's mandates were completed. Living in him and walking by his word we do everything we need to have eternal life and righteousness--a free gift from Christ when we make him Lord and Savior and choose to follow him as such.

I agree with this, but let's keep on the topic of the OP, thanks.

 

[for_his_glory]

It is too horrible to picture us as the trabulation saints slain by the Beast System for rejecting the mark. Most are not prepared to be martyred for Christ like Charlie, rapture theory is a sales pitch to ease the anxiety and fear of the Great Tribulation.

They are not prepared for truth, but would rather have others teaching them believing everything that is spoken about a pretrib Rapture as just taking another persons word for all of this.

What is sad about this false Rapture theory is that many will fall completely away from Christ thinking they have been deceived by Him when the son of perdition comes forcing all to take its mark of this beast because Jesus has not yet returned like they have been taught.

 

[for_his_glory]

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Jesus, after teaching the Disciples/all of us, about all the signs of the end of the age, is referring to the greatest tribulation as that of the end of days that is different from all the other tribulations that God's own have faced throughout history. When the son of perdition takes a literal seat in Jerusalem this will be a global reign for 3 1/2 years forcing all that are alive at that time who are Christ own to renounce Christ and take the mark of this beast or die a martyr's death, Rev 13.

What would be the purpose of all of this, or even binding and letting loose Satan for a period of time if the saints of God are no longer here! Why wouldn't God just make an end to everything after we are supposedly Raptured out of here in a pretrib Rapture of the Church.

 

[RandyK]

I agree with this, but let's keep on the topic of the OP, thanks.

I prefer that myself. Rabbit holes present themselves, unwanted, all the time, and it's tempting to go down with the rabbit. ;)

On the other hand, various topics often involve theological background, which will necessarily take you, momentarily, in other directions. Sometimes I don't know what to do?

 

[Elijah7777]

Historically, the Christian has had to "grow up and mature in Christ" in order to become a favorable witness to a pagan society. Paul mentions how he spent about 17 years preparing for his ministry, even though he began right away testifying for Christ.

I do not believe people become mature enough until they are 40 years old and I would even add that they should have been a christian 40 years before they can be considered to be elders in the church or pastors. Although they can become associate pastors. It is very common for retired pastors to maintain Emeritus statue so they can still desciple the new pastor if he is not old enough yet. This has more to do with the Hasidic than it does for Christians.

Hasidic perspectives on gentiles who want to study and learn Hebrew are generally respectful and encouraging—especially when the intent is sincere and aligned with ethical or spiritual growth.

Hebrew as a Sacred Language​

• Hebrew is considered Lashon HaKodesh—the Holy Tongue. It’s the language of the Torah, prayer, and divine creation.
• Studying Hebrew is seen as a way to connect with divine wisdom, even for gentiles, when done with reverence.

 

[Free]

Amillennialism is a legitimate view:

'In amillennialism, the “1,000 years” is happening right now. Christ’s work in this world—His life, death, resurrection, and ascension—greatly hindered the works of Satan so that the message of the gospel could leave Israel and go out to the ends of the earth, just as it has done. The 1,000 years spoken of in Revelation 20, in which Satan is “bound,” is figurative and fulfilled in a spiritual sense. Satan is “bound” in that he is restricted from implementing all his plans. He can still perform evil, but he cannot deceive the nations until the final battle. Once the “1,000 years” are over, Satan is released to practice his deception for a little while before the return of Christ.

When we study the Olivet Discourse, along with the accounts of the “Day of the Lord” in 2 Peter 3 and 1 Thessalonians 4, we see that the return of our Lord comes quickly, visibly, and with the sound of a trumpet. In other words, all alive at that time will experience the return of our Lord, and then will come the end. There is no mention in these texts about a literal 1,000-year earthly reign. Rather, Christ’s return is heard, seen, and realized. In fact, the apostle Peter says that, at the Day of the Lord, the heavens and earth will be burned up and the new heavens and new earth will be created. This leaves no room for a supposed physical and earthly kingdom lasting a literal 1,000 years.'

https://www.gotquestions.org/amillennialism.html

Maybe even more legitimate than the rapture.

 

[RandyK]

I do not believe people become mature enough until they are 40 years old and I would even add that they should have been a christian 40 years before they can be considered to be elders in the church or pastors. Although they can become associate pastors. It is very common for retired pastors to maintain Emeritus statue so they can still desciple the new pastor if he is not old enough yet. This has more to do with the Hasidic than it does for Christians.

Hasidic perspectives on gentiles who want to study and learn Hebrew are generally respectful and encouraging—especially when the intent is sincere and aligned with ethical or spiritual growth.

Hebrew as a Sacred Language​

• Hebrew is considered Lashon HaKodesh—the Holy Tongue. It’s the language of the Torah, prayer, and divine creation.
• Studying Hebrew is seen as a way to connect with divine wisdom, even for gentiles, when done with reverence.

I don't believe a language is loaded with meaning--it is a tool to communicate a message. The message is not the words and the letters. The message is what is said, and not what is secretly suggested by code.

That being said, I appreciate that I can go to my brother for questions about the Bible's original languages. And I appreciate you, as well, that you have knowledge of Hebrews.

I agree with you, not on the Hasidic basis, but on the biblical basis, that eldership is what it suggests--age, experience, and maturity, along with a proven record. But I think your focus suggests that very thing quite well. Thanks.

 

[Hidden In Him]

What do you believe "amillenniallism" is?

In your view, what does being an anti semite entail?

If that's absurd, then I was being as absurd as Paul who drew the same comparison, I meant "church" in the same way he meant it.

Oh really? Then what about those four kings in Daniel's vision? What about Issachar, Naphtali and Benjamin? Are they literally donkey, deer and wolf?

Peaceably please. Everyone else in this thread has been discussing things politely, and that needs to continue for all who wish to stay involved.

Staff

 

[Elijah7777]

The message is what is said, and not what is secretly suggested by code.

Swing and a miss—nice try, though. I know someone, somewhere—maybe on TBN—made a big deal out of a supposed Bible code. But that’s not what we’re talking about.

We’re talking about the meaning of the word “SAID” in the Bible. We’re saying the Bible is literal. The spoken word is the medium of creation. God declares the end from the beginning and He watches over His word to perform what He says He will do. (Isaiah 46:10) (Jeremiah 1:12)


People want to be hooked on phonics. They say ape-man, cave-man grunted and groaned, and over time those sounds became words. Then the words were recorded, written down, and passed along.

But what we’re saying is deeper: The letters themselves have meaning. They are symbols.

• A is the head of a bull—upside down.
• B is a tent.
• C is a camel.
• D is a door.

And Jesus talks a lot about how He is the gate—the door. He decides who enters and who does not.

In ancient Israel, the city gate wasn’t just an entrance. It was the courtroom, the council chamber, the marketplace of justice. It was where truth was spoken, covenants were witnessed, and redemption was declared.


The letters evolve over time.What started as a camel—commerce—might be a supersonic jet today.A tent might become a high-rise building.The symbol remains, but the scale expands.

People will understand this more fully in the Kingdom age.They’re starting to call me a historian—because I want the people of the future to know and remember the past.

Thank you for the generous compliments.

 

[Elijah7777]

what does being an anti semite entail?

You never heard of the Holocaust? People want to be very careful not to be associated with any of that. My father was stationed in the army in Germany after the war. He was one of the first to see the concentration camps. He went back 20 years later and he could still smell the burnt flesh from the victims of the Holocaust. People say there is no smell today, so it could just be his mind playing tricks on him. He was a doctor but he said most of what he did was work with people to treat them for German Measles, which was epidemic at the time.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Personally, I think the anxiety created about the "Great Tribulation" is a ruse designed by Pretribbers to panic people into agreeing with them that there must be a Pretrib Rapture to escape the "Wrath of God." Don't get me wrong--I believe there will be a 3.5 year Reign of Antichrist, based in Europe, that will lead the world in persecuting both Christians and Jews. But similar events have happened throughout history. Death by the Romans is no different than being beheaded by Antichrist.

What makes the Great Tribulation "great" is the length of time the Jews suffer in the NT age. The "Great Tribulation" is, according to Jesus, a *Jewish Punishment* for rejecting their day of visitation.

It is the extremely long period of time that God set them aside, as compared with the 70 year Babylonian Captivity. It is not the extremity of the punishment inflicted by Antichrist in the last 3.5 years of this age, nor a continuous outpouring of God's Wrath prematurely for 3.5 long years!

Most of God's Wrath takes place at the very end, and in particular at Christ's Coming itself to destroy a portion of the world by the fires of Armageddon, sending the lost into eternal punishment. There will always be various forms of punishment during the reign of antichrists.

But to make this outpouring of divine punishment something to panic over by Christians is, I think, over the top. That is not the meaning of "great tribulation."

There's wrath of God and there's wrath of Satan. Satan is given permission to torture God's people, the persecution gradually escalates, see Job 1. The brutal assassination of Charlie Kirk is the latest example, the great tribulation would be the climax of it. The wrath of God, on the other hand, only targets the unrepenting worshippers of the Beast, the earth dwellings who bear his mark. Although the seven seals, seven trumpets, seven signs (Woman, Dragon, Michael, Beasts, etc.) and seven bowls, I believe only the seven bowls are the real wrath of God. These bowls corresponds to the golden cup held in the hand of Babylon the Great Harlot (Rev. 17:4), when it's full of abominations, God's wrath will be poured out.