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For those who are threatened by the truth-A true Messianic response.

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Feb 18, 2018
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If weak Christianity ( no such thing there is only not really Christian) is your cup of tea, this thread is not for you! If you think this is not the end of the age clearly your time is just about up! This is some strong wine so beware......LOL! If you have an agenda against the refinement and spotless folks Daniel was told about, you will lose because God said so.

Ben Avraham said: We will always have our “old nature of sin” with us, and it will rear up its ugly head, as Rav Shaul (Apostol Paul) testifies in Romans 7:14-25. Only physical death will free us from the “old sin nature” Every day it is a constant battle. The spirit against the flesh and the flesh against the spirit.

A Shulammite's response: Always going to have that sinful nature? Well, there ya go, let's rest our hats on the pretext of Paul's account of his own struggle and the struggle of many as if that sinful nature will not be put to death with Christ. To put the whole of the scriptures into a few pretext verses from Paul, pretty much negates the purpose of Christ. Christ came to put to death- sin. This will be done in the true followers of Christ before death. Is it a process for the many? sure. Makes no difference to-" Be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect" - is ultimately accomplished for those who abide. " Brethren be not deceived, he who practices sin is of the devil" You make everything seem like an Almond Joy commercial- " Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't ". Lol! Much more than that.

Sin is ultimately conquered in the believers.
Romans 7:14-25
14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 …

Paul persecuted the church, he, the least of the apostles as he said, was coming out of grave sin. He was being made an example of. The whole of the teaching of Christ concerning sin does not rest entirely on Paul. Many people experience a battle process like Paul's and some like John the Beloved etc..... each reaches his 'Christ like' position according to his instrumentality and process. But ultimately it is before death that sin is conquered in one's members- for the Elect of Jew and of Gentile.

That is why the Lord said what he said to Cain in the OT -Genesis 4:6 6“Why are you angry,” said the LORD to Cain, and why has your countenance fallen? 7If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you refuse to do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires you, but you must master it.”…

Paul is simply reiterating the very battle that Cain was told he could overcome by doing what is right. Moving forward we know that is to serve Christ and leaning on His every word- " Be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect" some bibles say "holy" what's the difference? Paul showing and telling all generations about his process does not mean Paul is saying he never conquered sin or that we would always have it with us.
Colossians 3:
Putting on the New Self
…4When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory. 5Put to death, therefore, the components of your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires, and greed, which is idolatry. 6Because of these, the wrath of God is coming on the sons of disobedience.…

I have to be correct because if we accept what you say as the truth then that would contradict other bible verses. I would not dare to assume that. God's word is one as He is one. There is no division in the word only a misunderstanding of it which leads to poorly dividing the word. Dividing the word does not mean against itself but knowing when and how to properly apply verses for teaching.

The sin nature must not remain with us to death. Is it a process? yes! Will those who abide succeed? of course! Because they abide in Christ. The lack of hope baffles me. It seems men do not aspire to perfection but simply rest on that cliché phrase- " I'm only human", what a crutch. Not my anthem. Though I am human, I rely not on my nature but Christ's divine one to become like Him. I do not choose the human league but the Divine league.

It is not my desire to rest on such a cliché- "born to make mistakes"? What's that to Christ who came to take all our sins and put them to death? Divine is the climb that all who are called saints-take. I will accept nothing less than perfection for myself, for that is the goal of Christ for His Elect, as Paul attests to. Paul shares the struggle and goal. Thank you Paul !
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2 Corinthians 11:

1I hope you will bear with a little of my foolishness, but you are already doing that. 2 I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. For I promised you to one husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ. 3I am afraid, however, that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may be led astray from your simple and pure devotion to Christ.…
1 Peter 1:

The Enduring Word

22Since you have purified your souls by obedience to the truth so that you have a genuine love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from a pure heart. 23For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 24For,

“All flesh is like grass,

and all its glory like the flowers of the field;

the grass withers and the flowers fall,

25but the word of the Lord stands forever.”

And this is the word that was proclaimed to you.

If you uphold His Word you, yourself become His living word. Faithful and True are the legs you stand on. Will you make mistakes during the redemptive process, yes! Once fully redeemed- Rev.14, you will not lie about Christ, you will speak the eternal gospel and everything from that point on is refined and a sound gospel.

Daniel 12:
Michael's Deliverance and the End Times
…9“Go on your way, Daniel,” he replied, “for the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end. 10Many will be purified, made spotless, and refined, but the wicked will continue to act wickedly. None of the wicked will understand, but the wise will understand.

To be purified, made spotless and refined as Daniel testifies to. It not a gospel of the sin nature, it is the gospel of the redeemed nature- SPOTLESS!. Probably should pray upon it and the Lord will refine your doctrine as He does mine. I am zealous for the Lord.

You heard of "mind over matter"? Well, Christ already coined that practice, and it is a matter of fact.

Seems the renewing of the mind has to happen.

Romans 12:

Living Sacrifices
1Therefore I urge you, brothers, on account of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. 2 Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God. 3For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but think of yourself with sober judgment, according to the measure of faith God has given you.…

God knows I'm going through it, the former thoughts are a train wreck as I am now in a brainstorm called the Christ mind. He is my Master.
Shalom, Shulam
The Spirit and the Bride say come.
A Shulammite.
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Who Me

London England
Dec 19, 2018
I will accept nothing less than perfection for myself, for that is the goal of Christ for His Elect

And as 1John 1:8 and 10 says if We say we have no sin we desive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
We constantly need verse 9:- if we confess our sins he is faithfull and just and will forgive us our sins.