Yes, in the New Testament, but nothing in the Old Testament.He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
Revelation 19:13
My point is in the OT, the speech/logos (Word) was never named as Jesus.
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Yes, in the New Testament, but nothing in the Old Testament.He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
Revelation 19:13
The logic is, if you interpret that it was the Fathers speech/logos in the creation week that said, "let Us make man in Our image," that is equivalent to John 1:1c as "the Word was the God," implying utterance were of the Father.Please copy and paste where I said the Word was the God.
We had to start from the beginning, if not you will missed the whole picture.He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Colossians 1:15
Show me a text when the Son was born and named Jesus. NT isn't it?Do you understand the Son has always existed and created the heavens and the earth?
You are mistaken both about the Son and GOD's Spirit. I see no reason to continue in continuous disagreement.As you write lowercase "s" for spirit, I understand it as the breath of life.
While the Holy Spirit as God, I see you write in the uppercase.
Yes, the Three are in unity in the purpose of saving mankind.
Because I believe the Holy Spirit is a separate and distinct person to the Father and Jesus, as even the Father and the Son cannot bend the will of the Holy Spirit to not forgive those who blaspheme Him.
If the Holy Spirit as an aggregate part of the Father, why they differ permanently about forgiveness?
Yes, because the three are united in the purpose of saving mankind in faith.
As the three were united, can you cite a Bible text that the third person of the Trinity against the salvation to all in faith?
I don't know haw many times I have quoted this verse that was just ignored.
Who is that one Lord that was called God?
Act 17:24 "The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands;
Do you mean that you are one among those who question the glory of the Lord., the Spirit?
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory?
2Co 3:18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
1Pe 4:14 If you are reviled for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you.
See above quoted Bible text the glory to glory of the third person of the Trinity, the Lord, the Spirit
The Bible text does not state as "God's Spirit" but "Holy Spirit," your preconceived belief mold your interpretation.
Act 5:3 But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land?
You always forget that the Son before became Son was the Word that was God from the beginning.
Yes, Col 1:19,20 speaks about the Son, not to the Word.
Because the Word that is God is bloodless, He had to be human with blood to accomplish the plan of salvation.
Your not following Jesus in this as He is a begotten Son.May we know what Bible text state your understanding?
As I've said, the spirit of man (breath of life) is from God, the Word, the speech/logos.
The speech/logos is the Word of life, and the life was manifested, and when Jesus was in flesh said, " I am the life." (John 14:6)
1Jn 1:1 What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life,
1Jn 1:2 and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us.
Stated in the Bible that the Word was God, the Word of life was manifested in flesh.
What part of Him was God? The God's nature of the Word, the breath of life (spirit) from "Word of life" Whom is God.
Yes, He was the Word from the beginning with the Father, before all things (world) created through Him.(Word)
I quote Bible texts, and not seen yours, only your interpretation.
May we know what verses you are referring to?
The word "begotten" means the Son is to be born. When we speak about the Son, it means He already take the flesh.
Yes, the Word is begotten because He is uncreated. When we speak about the Word, means He was not yet in the flesh specially in the Old Testament.
I hope we can understand the distinction, or else you can quote OT Bible text that state, "the Word is Jesus."
No, I believe the Word, the speech/logos that utter the "let Us make man in Our image," was called YHWH in the Old Testament. That He (Word) is separate and distinct personal being to God. As He was God, not stated as "He was the God. (John 1:1c)
No, they are co-equal and co-eternal, see the reason above.
Sorry, I can't see the point here.
Yes, Jesus acknowledged His being the "Son of Man" and being the "Son of God." (Matt 62:63,64)
We will understand what it means if we will apply the law of nature, not our preconceived belief.
I you mean "literally one," this belief will face many conflicting Bible verses.
One, when Jesus prayed, He lifted His eyes to heaven.
In the transfiguration and Jesus baptism, the Father voice heard from heaven.
Jesus taught us to pray to the Father, who art in heaven.
Yes, I believe that they have the power to inter-dwell.
Understand, the Holy Spirit can dwell in us in faith, but when we live an ungodly life, another spirit.
Know that the dwelling of the Holy Spirit in us means we are not literally one with Him.
1Jn 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
Jas 4:5 Or do you think that the Scripture speaks to no purpose: "He jealously desires the Spirit which He has made to dwell in us"?
First day on the creation week, was God created the heavens and the earth.
So, you mean, creation already done, restoration still future.
What part that scientist could confirm?
Let me understand by what you mean, when you write "spirit" or "Spirit."You are mistaken both about the Son and GOD's Spirit. I see no reason to continue in continuous disagreement.
Yes, our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit.My body is the temple of the Holy Spirit and I have the Spirit of Christ in me and Jesus stated the other advocate from Himself was the Spirit of truth whom the Father would send in His name.
Yes, the Father will pour out as you state, "MY Spirit." Do that mean the Father owned the Spirit?The Father's promise=>In these last days I will pour out MY Spirit.....
Acts 2 The Spirit Jesus sent He received from the FATHER.
God the Father is Spirit, yes or no?The spirit of the Son who is NOT the Father is not deity.(lower case) The Fathers Deity lives in Him as the Father without limit they are one.
Yes, the word "begotten" on the OT means "to be born (future)." (Psa 2:7) Means not yet incarnate.Your not following Jesus in this as He is a begotten Son.
Yes, being the Son, Jesus called the Father, "My Father and our Father, My God and our God."Do you have a bible that shows His usage of MY Father and MY God differs from yours?
Yes, John 17:3 is not a comparison between the Father and the Son, but to know them both, as it is eternal life.What He stated and it is truth. Your understanding is not a possible answer.
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent
No, I believe "day" as literal day 24 hours.Do you believe “days” are a 24 hour period of 1000 years?
But we are all already here on earth including the scientists.Watching through a digital telescope the edge of the universe coming into existence.
If the "only" begotten came from the Fathers presence and in Hebrews 1 God created through His Son then He was a Son before the world began. God brought the Firstborn into the world -about the Son and commanded all His angels to bow to Him. (why the need if the Son is Yahweh?) Hebrews 1-not the church of Christ nor the church of God rather very specifically stated "church of the Firstborn" The writer of Hebrews understood Jesus's Sonship and because He is a Son took great pains to contrast the superiority of His Sonship vs the angels of God.Yes, the word "begotten" on the OT means "to be born (future)." (Psa 2:7) Means not yet incarnate.
In the New Testament as - unique, in respect of peculiar generation, (present) Jhn_1:14; Jhn_1:18; Jhn_3:16; Jhn_3:18; 1Jn_4:9.
I followed what "begotten" means from the OT until the NT, maybe you just focus your study in the New Testament, that's the reason why we cannot see the whole picture.
Joh 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
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μονογενής monogenēs
9x: only-begotten, only-born, Luk_7:12; Luk_8:42; Luk_9:38; Heb_11:17; only-begotten in respect of peculiar generation, unique, Jhn_1:14; Jhn_1:18; Jhn_3:16; Jhn_3:18; 1Jn_4:9.
Yes, being the Son, Jesus called the Father, "My Father and our Father, My God and our God."
But that doesn't mean that Jesus own the Father, as you understand the Father owned the Spirit as He said "My Spirit." They are separate and distinct person, same with the Father and Son, when the Father said, "My Son."
Yes, John 17:3 is not a comparison between the Father and the Son, but to know them both, as it is eternal life.
We have to study the Bible's other passages to know the truth and enjoy eternal life in the future, not just for one proof text.
I know we can understand what the context mean, but our preconceived belief will make the Father a liar.
And that's the truth, the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son, as the testimony of God is greater.
I hope you'll read and internalized the testimony of the Father. If we don't have the Son, we don't have eternal life as, the life is Jesus. (John 14:6)
1Jn 5:9 If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater; for the testimony of God is this, that He has testified concerning His Son.
1Jn 5:10 The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son.
1Jn 5:11 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
1Jn 5:12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
The Father was living in Jesus as the Father. He was anointed by the Spirit of the Sovereign Lord -the one who sent Him. His God and Father. The Spirit came down and remained on Him.Let me understand by what you mean, when you write "spirit" or "Spirit."
Are they the same to you or different.
Yes, our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit.
And how do you understand the "spirit" below?
From the beginning that was my point.
Ecc 12:7 then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.
Yes, the Father will pour out as you state, "MY Spirit." Do that mean the Father owned the Spirit?
How about Jesus when He said to the Father, "MY God," do that mean He own the Father?
Hope you care to answer both questions.
God the Father is Spirit, yes or no?
If the Father is Spirit, and the Spirit/Father lives in the Son, and Jesus was full of the Holy Spirit, then how many Spirit dwell in the Son?
Luk 4:1 Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led around by the Spirit in the wilderness
No, I believe "day" as literal day 24 hours.
Otherwise all birds will die not knowing what to eat for 1,000 years.
But we are all already here on earth including the scientists.
You skip to understand Isaiah 9:6.If the "only" begotten came from the Fathers presence and in Hebrews 1 God created through His Son then He was a Son before the world began.
No, the Son is not the Father, Revelation 5:13,14 should have not stated them both being worshiped.God brought the Firstborn into the world -about the Son and commanded all His angels to bow to Him. (why the need if the Son is Yahweh?)
Then Who do you understand the one Lord being called God?No need to change my belief: Just 2 by the way
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Yes, by the Holy Spirit.Your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, and you have the Spirit of Christ in you. The Father and Son make their home with the believer as Jesus testified.
When we define the word "God" as the personal name of the Father.I believe this about the Son we disagree in how it is so.
The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being,
The image of the invisible God.
When we mention Jesus, He was named Jesus in the first book of the New Testament.The Father was living in Jesus as the Father. He was anointed by the Spirit of the Sovereign Lord -the one who sent Him. His God and Father. The Spirit came down and remained on Him.
I presume, you did not read context of 1John 5:10,11,12,20.The Father alone is the true God.
God is Spirit -Yes
It's the Spirit of God not God the Spirit.
Those who listen and learn from the FATHER go to Jesus. God's Spirit testifies
Yes, but it does not mean that the Spirit/Holy Spirit as an element part of the Fther.He its plainly stated by Jesus.
But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.
Yes, the three are united in the purpose of saving mankind in different roles.Jesu's message was not His own but from the one who sent Him. The source of truth Jesus spoke of is God, our Father as in the Spirit of truth.
Yes, the Father and Son were both rendered the same worshiped as God.Do you think they would fail to honor a person of the Godhead? No, they wouldn't as its the Spirit of your Father.
Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”
Yes, and was named Jesus in the book of Matthew and brought the world through the Word, in the beginning.This is truth- the Son is the image of the invisible God and God brought the world into existence through Him.
How do you define the word "person?"This is introduced error-The Son is coeternal and coequal with His God and Father. (no beginning)
This is introduced error -The Spirit is a 3rd distinct person.
Yes, John 1:18 the "only begotten God." All my answers will be from the Bible.Did they not have a commanding knowledge of Greek and this was along time before this conversation.
KJV
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature. (Captured the correct meaning.)
I'm not anyone in authority but I do know from above this answer.
Is Jesus God?
Jesus flesh was put to death. (1Peter 3:18)He never dies.
The Word in the beginning was not yet the Son. (John 1:1)Yes, He is all that the Father is.
No, He has always been the Son.
Find a text in the Old Testament that Jesus already existed as firstborn.For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John. And if you are willing to accept it, he is Elijah who was to come.
Likewise if you can accept it Jesus is God's firstborn, (His spirit), and has always been the Son. The Deity of the Father in fullness lives in Him as the Father and they are one.
Agree.God our Father and Jesus the Christ our Lord.
No, we would have no birds today in we interpret one day as 1,000 years in the creation week.Could it mean both?
Yes, in literal seven days God finished all His work, rested and blessed the seventh day.Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made. Genesis 2:1-3
Here it says God had finished His work, and He rested from all His work.
Yes, in the sixth day of creation.Here a couple of verses later, we see God planted a garden and put man in the garden.
The LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed. And out of the ground the LORD God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Genesis 2:8-9
The work of for mankind's salvation. Forgiving everyone who ask for forgiveness even on Sabbath day.Next, we have Jesus accused of breaking the Sabbath, and He then explains by saying…
For this reason the Jews persecuted Jesus, and sought to kill Him, because He had done these things on the Sabbath. But Jesus answered them, “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” John 5:16-17
Yes, reason above.By saying “until now” the Spirit is indicating that God has been continually working since the time of creation until then.
Remember, birds wouldn't have food to eat for 1,000 years.The weekly Sabbath points to the rest to come, which is the 7th prophetic day, the 7000th year whereby we will rest with Christ for 1000 years.
Sabbatical millennium happens only once, but Sabbath in the new heavens and new earth weekly.The 1000 years that we will reign with Christ on earth after He returns and removes all enemies, and restores all things, is the Seventh Day of rest.
Mankind has been here for approximately 6000 years, or six prophetic days.
Figurative application on verses that are not conflicting and in Scriptural harmony.But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Peter 3:8
I believe He is named YHWH in the Old Testament.Do you believe Jesus Christ is LORD; YHWH ?
No, we would have no birds today in we interpret one day as 1,000 years in the creation week.