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John 20:21-23:
Jesus was given all the Authority of His Father, John 17:2, even the forgiveness of sins. I think we can all agree on that without reservation.
Now here we see this same Jesus say "as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you". The "you" here is 11 men, a group, not each individually but as a group, the Church. Jesus gives all authority over all flesh to the Apostles, more than once for in Matthew 18 He gives the Apostles the power to bind and loose men. So what we have is a common unity of men given all authority of the Father. The Church.
Jesus then gives these 11 men (the common unity of believers or the Church) the Holy Spirit. The 11 men receive the Holy Spirit thus the Holy Spirit is in the common unity of the Church. The Holy Spirit is leading and guiding "the Church" as stated in John 14:26 and John 16:13 for the word "you" is a plural in these verses. Jesus is speaking to 12 men, the common unity of believers, the Church. So we can see the Holy Spirit leads and guides "the Church" and to be part of this procession then one needs to be "in the Church" or "in Christ".
Then Jesus states to 11 men that they have the power given by the Father to remit or retain sins. Here we see the authority of Jesus Christ, given by the Father, transferred to 11 men with the power to forgive sins, the Church.
Acts 2:38
Repentance of sins can only be to the power of God give to His representatives in "the Church". Forgiveness of sins is only obtained through this authority of "the Church". Baptism is only found in "the Church".
Now my questions:
How can the "christian" world as we see it today claim they can go directly to God in so doing bypassing His ordained powers to forgive sins?
Can sin be forgiven through any other power but Christ ordained and transfered authority?
Can a "personal relationship" with Jesus forgive sins?
Why did Jesus ordain men and give them this authority if each christian can examine his own heart, which is deceptive according to scripture, then ask for his sins to be forgiven?
I believe this is why divorce, adultery, and a mirade of other sins are rampant in the "christian" world. Each man can examine his own heart and deem what is sin and what is not sin and repent accordingly and think God is obligated to forgive them just because they claim "believe" and say "Lord, Lord".
I take Jesus Christ at His word. Do you?
In all sincerity and love,
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Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
Jesus was given all the Authority of His Father, John 17:2, even the forgiveness of sins. I think we can all agree on that without reservation.
Now here we see this same Jesus say "as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you". The "you" here is 11 men, a group, not each individually but as a group, the Church. Jesus gives all authority over all flesh to the Apostles, more than once for in Matthew 18 He gives the Apostles the power to bind and loose men. So what we have is a common unity of men given all authority of the Father. The Church.
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Jesus then gives these 11 men (the common unity of believers or the Church) the Holy Spirit. The 11 men receive the Holy Spirit thus the Holy Spirit is in the common unity of the Church. The Holy Spirit is leading and guiding "the Church" as stated in John 14:26 and John 16:13 for the word "you" is a plural in these verses. Jesus is speaking to 12 men, the common unity of believers, the Church. So we can see the Holy Spirit leads and guides "the Church" and to be part of this procession then one needs to be "in the Church" or "in Christ".
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Then Jesus states to 11 men that they have the power given by the Father to remit or retain sins. Here we see the authority of Jesus Christ, given by the Father, transferred to 11 men with the power to forgive sins, the Church.
Acts 2:38
Repent and be baptised.
Repentance of sins can only be to the power of God give to His representatives in "the Church". Forgiveness of sins is only obtained through this authority of "the Church". Baptism is only found in "the Church".
Now my questions:
How can the "christian" world as we see it today claim they can go directly to God in so doing bypassing His ordained powers to forgive sins?
Can sin be forgiven through any other power but Christ ordained and transfered authority?
Can a "personal relationship" with Jesus forgive sins?
Why did Jesus ordain men and give them this authority if each christian can examine his own heart, which is deceptive according to scripture, then ask for his sins to be forgiven?
I believe this is why divorce, adultery, and a mirade of other sins are rampant in the "christian" world. Each man can examine his own heart and deem what is sin and what is not sin and repent accordingly and think God is obligated to forgive them just because they claim "believe" and say "Lord, Lord".
I take Jesus Christ at His word. Do you?
In all sincerity and love,
Orthodoxy