George Floyd and the Liberal Lynch Mob

[Tertul]

Tragically, George Floyd died, but you have the media crying about it so I'll skip the Pharisaical public demonstration of my virtue by long screeds of condemnation of the police and racism. Even the Christian media is piling on with condemnation of the police and of police racism.

I don't see any difference, other than size and media attitude, between the mobs today and the mobs in the old south that lynched blacks. What am I missing?

As you won't hear it the media, I have some observations:

1) George Floyd had just robbed a store and was under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Do you want to bet on if he had a long criminal record that the arresting cops may have been aware of which made them extra cautious with him?

2) The cop who had his knee on Floyd's neck had been shot in the past, while working as a cop. That naturally would make him more likely to over-react. Maybe the police department may need to invest more in identifying PTSD.

3) The Wikipedia entry "George Floyd's Death" suggests that kneeling cop was trained to use a knee on the neck.

4) We still don't have an official cause of death. The ambulance that was called for him had nothing to do with any harm from the cop kneeling on the neck. Even if the pressure on the neck is the cause of death, the cop may not have been aware of the dangers of non-chocking kneeling on the neck.

5) I haven't seen any resisting of arrest in the videos released to the public. But, I also haven't seen a video of the initial arrest. I'll wait until I see body cam footage before I scream about the cops using excessive force.

6) There's zero, none, not a bit, evidence that this tragedy had anything to do with police racism. The lynch mob are the racists.

7) Police kill trice as many unarmed whites and are more hesitant to shoot blacks. Keep in mind that blacks commit more robberies and murders than all other races combined.

8) The Minneapolis police chief is black and the entire city government is controlled by Democrats.

9) There's not yet enough evidence to take the kneeling cop to court, let alone convict him. A death doesn't prove a crime. We need to wait to see what evidence develops.

10) The most outrageous act by a cop doesn't justify the rioting, looting, and arson of the neighborhood. Nor is this death justify more coast to coast demonizing of white people that goes on in this country.

Bonus point: I would not want to be a cop in today's climate. This hatred of cops and rush to judgment and public humiliation of cops doing their job means more competent people will choose to not be cops. This means more police incompetence and corruption the future. If you want another George Floyd to die, then join the lynch mob. You might prove your "virtue" to men, but not to God.

 

[JohnDB]

This issue is being raised because it is an election year.

And we don't allow political discussion on this forum. There are tons of others that do...we don't feel the need to join them as they are decisive and do not promote unity. (Statement of Purpose and TOS)

I hate the rioting going on in Minneapolis. It's really out of hand.

 

[jasonc]

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Tragically, George Floyd died, but you have the media crying about it so I'll skip the Pharisaical public demonstration of my virtue by long screeds of condemnation of the police and racism. Even the Christian media is piling on with condemnation of the police and of police racism.

I don't see any difference, other than size and media attitude, between the mobs today and the mobs in the old south that lynched blacks. What am I missing?

As you won't hear it the media, I have some observations:

1) George Floyd had just robbed a store and was under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Do you want to bet on if he had a long criminal record that the arresting cops may have been aware of which made them extra cautious with him?

2) The cop who had his knee on Floyd's neck had been shot in the past, while working as a cop. That naturally would make him more likely to over-react. Maybe the police department may need to invest more in identifying PTSD.

3) The Wikipedia entry "George Floyd's Death" suggests that kneeling cop was trained to use a knee on the neck.

4) We still don't have an official cause of death. The ambulance that was called for him had nothing to do with any harm from the cop kneeling on the neck. Even if the pressure on the neck is the cause of death, the cop may not have been aware of the dangers of non-chocking kneeling on the neck.

5) I haven't seen any resisting of arrest in the videos released to the public. But, I also haven't seen a video of the initial arrest. I'll wait until I see body cam footage before I scream about the cops using excessive force.

6) There's zero, none, not a bit, evidence that this tragedy had anything to do with police racism. The lynch mob are the racists.

7) Police kill trice as many unarmed whites and are more hesitant to shoot blacks. Keep in mind that blacks commit more robberies and murders than all other races combined.

8) The Minneapolis police chief is black and the entire city government is controlled by Democrats.

9) There's not yet enough evidence to take the kneeling cop to court, let alone convict him. A death doesn't prove a crime. We need to wait to see what evidence develops.

10) The most outrageous act by a cop doesn't justify the rioting, looting, and arson of the neighborhood. Nor is this death justify more coast to coast demonizing of white people that goes on in this country.

Bonus point: I would not want to be a cop in today's climate. This hatred of cops and rush to judgment and public humiliation of cops doing their job means more competent people will choose to not be cops. This means more police incompetence and corruption the future. If you want another George Floyd to die, then join the lynch mob. You might prove your "virtue" to men, but not to God.

Look im trained in this,they are taught how to cuff from the rear and front ,rear is preferred,never place your knee on the spine ,across the shoulder blades and neck .it restricts breathing .

 

[JohnDB]

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Look im trained in this,they are taught how to cuff from the rear and front ,rear is preferred,never place your knee on the spine ,across the shoulder blades and neck .it restricts breathing .

It doesn't matter who they were arresting. It shouldn't have happened.

And what's more is that this hasn't been covered up...no one is failing to prosecute or charge the arresting officers with a crime as was the case in Georgia where private citizens (one a retired police officer) shot and killed an unarmed man exercising in the neighborhood.

So I'm a bit confused and concerned as to why they are looting and rioting. Who is instigating this? Who is encouraging the violence? Who has the voice and platforms for escalation?

They are the guilty parties here. They need to be held criminally and financially responsible for this mess. And if it's the local media in Minneapolis...too bad. If it's Twitter...too bad.
That's what needs to be investigated...why did this one poor excuse of an officer's actions build up to the point of a riot? Who stirred the pot?

 

[jasonc]

It doesn't matter who they were arresting. It shouldn't have happened.

And what's more is that this hasn't been covered up...no one is failing to prosecute or charge the arresting officers with a crime as was the case in Georgia where private citizens (one a retired police officer) shot and killed an unarmed man exercising in the neighborhood.

So I'm a bit confused and concerned as to why they are looting and rioting. Who is instigating this? Who is encouraging the violence? Who has the voice and platforms for escalation?

They are the guilty parties here. They need to be held criminally and financially responsible for this mess. And if it's the local media in Minneapolis...too bad. If it's Twitter...too bad.
That's what needs to be investigated...why did this one poor excuse of an officer's actions build up to the point of a riot? Who stirred the pot?

The Georgia incident is another thread but I,never said he ,the officer was right .

 

[JohnDB]

The Georgia incident is another thread but I,never said he ,the officer was right .

Both incidents are crimes...the larger crime happened in GA where no one wanted to prosecute or saw that the guys did anything wrong when the guys killed an unarmed man simply jogging...and dressed in shorts and a t-shirt.
That was something to get upset over....that's the story that gets me upset.

A bad cop? Okay...it happens. Too many out there under tremendous pressure for something not to go wrong. Comes from simply having a police force.

 

[JohnDB]

When suspects are getting arrested and they resist arrest....tazers, pepper spray, and more guys holding the suspect down all are normal and approved procedures.
Although I think that they have cut back on the use of pepper spray.
But the whole time they are supposed to give warnings for what is about to happen unless they stop resisting and fighting.
And if anyone notices a fellow officer is having stress beyond their ability to work effectively they are supposed to say something. So...the stop gap measures didn't work in this case...it happens. Lots of truly innocent people have died and been injured from overstressed police.
Now I don't know enough about the suspect to know anything... guilty or innocent. But he fought the officers. He knew better but didn't do better...he is dead for his decisions.
Now the whole city is caught up in violence and destruction.

 

[jasonc]

When suspects are getting arrested and they resist arrest....tazers, pepper spray, and more guys holding the suspect down all are normal and approved procedures.
Although I think that they have cut back on the use of pepper spray.
But the whole time they are supposed to give warnings for what is about to happen unless they stop resisting and fighting.
And if anyone notices a fellow officer is having stress beyond their ability to work effectively they are supposed to say something. So...the stop gap measures didn't work in this case...it happens. Lots of truly innocent people have died and been injured from overstressed police.
Now I don't know enough about the suspect to know anything... guilty or innocent. But he fought the officers. He knew better but didn't do better...he is dead for his decisions.
Now the whole city is caught up in violence and destruction.

I have been pepper sprayed and tazed.asthma isn't effected by it ,burns the skin a bit and eyes bit.

 

[Truthfrees]

Tragically, George Floyd died, but you have the media crying about it so I'll skip the Pharisaical public demonstration of my virtue by long screeds of condemnation of the police and racism. Even the Christian media is piling on with condemnation of the police and of police racism.

I don't see any difference, other than size and media attitude, between the mobs today and the mobs in the old south that lynched blacks. What am I missing?

As you won't hear it the media, I have some observations:

1) George Floyd had just robbed a store and was under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Do you want to bet on if he had a long criminal record that the arresting cops may have been aware of which made them extra cautious with him?

2) The cop who had his knee on Floyd's neck had been shot in the past, while working as a cop. That naturally would make him more likely to over-react. Maybe the police department may need to invest more in identifying PTSD.

3) The Wikipedia entry "George Floyd's Death" suggests that kneeling cop was trained to use a knee on the neck.

4) We still don't have an official cause of death. The ambulance that was called for him had nothing to do with any harm from the cop kneeling on the neck. Even if the pressure on the neck is the cause of death, the cop may not have been aware of the dangers of non-chocking kneeling on the neck.

5) I haven't seen any resisting of arrest in the videos released to the public. But, I also haven't seen a video of the initial arrest. I'll wait until I see body cam footage before I scream about the cops using excessive force.

6) There's zero, none, not a bit, evidence that this tragedy had anything to do with police racism. The lynch mob are the racists.

7) Police kill trice as many unarmed whites and are more hesitant to shoot blacks. Keep in mind that blacks commit more robberies and murders than all other races combined.

8) The Minneapolis police chief is black and the entire city government is controlled by Democrats.

9) There's not yet enough evidence to take the kneeling cop to court, let alone convict him. A death doesn't prove a crime. We need to wait to see what evidence develops.

10) The most outrageous act by a cop doesn't justify the rioting, looting, and arson of the neighborhood. Nor is this death justify more coast to coast demonizing of white people that goes on in this country.

Bonus point: I would not want to be a cop in today's climate. This hatred of cops and rush to judgment and public humiliation of cops doing their job means more competent people will choose to not be cops. This means more police incompetence and corruption the future. If you want another George Floyd to die, then join the lynch mob. You might prove your "virtue" to men, but not to God.

i watched one 10 minute video of when the guy was face down on the ground - i watched him go from telling the officer he couldn't breath to his lips going white with foam i presume and then finally he went motionless - imo the officer would have felt the guy go limp - he had no reason to be on his neck in the first place never mind when the guy went unconscious - it is reported the ambulance attendant said the guy had no pulse when they put him in the ambulance and he was pronounced dead at the hospital

i could also see that the people telling the officer he was killing the guy could feel like a threat to the police but clearly the police did not care about the guy in cuffs - not during or after - it seemed they felt a criminal has no rights

i saw another video a while back where 4 officers stopped a 22 year white guy who parked across the street from his parent's house - they pushed him around even though he did nothing and in the end they choked the kid to death while the kid's mother was screaming how the kid was dying

i watched rcmp officers taze to death a russian who couldn't speak english in an airport

thank God people have video phones who record this stuff

unfortunately some police think some people have no rights and no value and people end up dead as a result

on the other side i was part of an activist group that was pressuring the police about police brutality - i had to quit in the end because the activists went too far in wanting police to be so severely limited they couldn't do their job

not sure what the answer is other than everyone value all life and then perhaps we will get better results - people get angry when they see a person or a group devalued or mistreated

 

[JohnDB]

Ok...just came back from watching all the video of the situation.
And it was absolutely chaotic.
George was obviously high on some kind of chemicals whether it was alcohol or marijuana is not clear.
The people who were sitting in his car were thugs of the worst kind...they were trying to loot George's car while he was being arrested.

Four officers?
Why did they even begin to think that they needed to press him down to the ground?
Especially when he was already restrained. The 4 are officially fired and facing murder charges.


The area is obviously economically depressed. Almost no one is wearing a mask in an area that has a high percentage of infected people. The rioters and looters after the fact? Call out the National Guard and let the shooting begin. I wouldn't give the Mayor another chance...his statements were worthless and unimpressive...and that's giving them the benefit of the doubt. His statements were inflammatory...practically asking for the violence. I'd send the shooters in and have an "accidental discharge " in the mayor's direction after getting the guilty 4 to arrest and detain him at ground zero.

I was truly impressed that Twitter thought they needed to censor the President for so clearly defining the problem and demanding the Mayor do something else. The Governor certainly agreed with the President...Twitter may know social media programming but they definitely know nothing about social dynamics. I can fully understand why the President is furious with them and is cutting off their legal protections.

 

[daninthelionsden]

Police across the nation are condemning the murder of the victim and calling for murder charges. Polk County Sheriff Johnny Moats very vocal a crime has been committed by cops present.

 

[jasonc]

Ok...just came back from watching all the video of the situation.
And it was absolutely chaotic.
George was obviously high on some kind of chemicals whether it was alcohol or marijuana is not clear.
The people who were sitting in his car were thugs of the worst kind...they were trying to loot George's car while he was being arrested.

Four officers?
Why did they even begin to think that they needed to press him down to the ground?
Especially when he was already restrained. The 4 are officially fired and facing murder charges.


The area is obviously economically depressed. Almost no one is wearing a mask in an area that has a high percentage of infected people. The rioters and looters after the fact? Call out the National Guard and let the shooting begin. I wouldn't give the Mayor another chance...his statements were worthless and unimpressive...and that's giving them the benefit of the doubt. His statements were inflammatory...practically asking for the violence. I'd send the shooters in and have an "accidental discharge " in the mayor's direction after getting the guilty 4 to arrest and detain him at ground zero.

I was truly impressed that Twitter thought they needed to censor the President for so clearly defining the problem and demanding the Mayor do something else. The Governor certainly agreed with the President...Twitter may know social media programming but they definitely know nothing about social dynamics. I can fully understand why the President is furious with them and is cutting off their legal protections.

I,havent,thought of riot,control since my,retirement .
The guard falls under state or local control .they can only,detain,a cop,can arrest ,in fires ,that's lethal force .

 

[JohnDB]

Minn. mayor gives masks to crowding rioters after warning in-person worship would be 'public health disaster'

The comments Minneapolis Jacob Frey made came Monday on "CNN Newsroom" as he discussed Gov. Tim Walz's plan to allow the limited reopening of churches amid the coronavirus pandemic with host John King.

www.foxnews.com

This is the kind of nonsense that is going on. Doesn't allow masked church attendance but personally endorses the riots and looting by handing out masks to those people...Does the mayor not understand that there isn't going to be a city for him to rule over if this keeps up?

 

[JohnDB]

One thing is for sure...if I currently lived inside the city I wouldn't be by the end of the day.

 

[jasonc]

Minn. mayor gives masks to crowding rioters after warning in-person worship would be 'public health disaster'

The comments Minneapolis Jacob Frey made came Monday on "CNN Newsroom" as he discussed Gov. Tim Walz's plan to allow the limited reopening of churches amid the coronavirus pandemic with host John King.

www.foxnews.com

This is the kind of nonsense that is going on. Doesn't allow masked church attendance but personally endorses the riots and looting by handing out masks to those people...Does the mayor not understand that there isn't going to be a city for him to rule over if this keeps up?

Governor should remove him,and charge him,with incitement of a riot.it,would be another to have him help peaceful protests

 

[jerry63935]

George was obviously high on some kind of chemicals whether it was alcohol or marijuana is not clear.

what does the autopsy report say ? what does the toxicology report read? the officer not only has handcuffs but there is also leg shackles. why did they not sit him up hand cuffed . we have a race war going on fueled by Blacks who take opportunity to resist the law. then the white cops who hate the negro race .
we also have political leaders who fuel this. mr jackson mr sharpton racism is fueled in the news media . since no one can explain what did the business owners have to do with this. all the looters should be charged also. i also suspect out side sources have helped fuel this. possibly supply the means with physical bodies and material regardless law enforcement are trained professional .they can subdue a individual with restraints . they do it in prision all the time...

 

[daninthelionsden]

Mr. knee officer has been arrested and charged with 3rd degree murder and manslaughter.

 

[jerry63935]

Mr. knee officer has been arrested and charged with 3rd degree murder and manslaughter.

the others should be charged with accessory

 

[humble soul]

No politics forum but you really need to talk about this one

 

[JohnDB]

No politics forum but you really need to talk about this one

Political fighting and thugs are the focus...it isn't so much about ideology as it is about insensitivity.

George (guy who died) had a regular routine (while behaving like a thug) of giving the police a hard time. (They have earlier police video of his behavior from years previous)

He was known to be a drug dealer and general ne'er do well.

The police officers were absolutely callous towards the people of that neighborhood.

Then comes the political rhetoric and fighting for absolutely no reason other than to keep fighting which led to the riots and looting and a mayor who is promoting the behavior even though it's destroying his own city. Claiming that the mayor is incompetent is being generous. This is why we don't do politics...

When the rhetoric gets so bad that you would destroy a city just to prove a point. That's ludicrous.

These thugs need little encouragement to destroy. But where are they going to go for lunch tomorrow when they are hungry? Too bad they destroyed everywhere they might get a sandwich.