God Cannot Be Proven (And We Shouldn't Be Playing An Atheist's Game)

[LanaPodesta]

This implies a difference. So why do you believe this difference matters?

What do you mean

So since you have no problem agreeing with one specific belief ape-ists hold, then no one else should see a problem trying to win over athiests to the TRUTH.

Ditto

Why not?

Because I have no idea why it would be relevant. Hence...why?

Same difference.

Not a false dichotomy. The only way to know God is to have a relationship with Him.

 

[skyoxshora]

This is a topic I am interested in.

Scripture says: “If they do not listen to Moses and the prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.” - Luke 16:31

How I interpret this (as someone who is neither a priest or a theologian), is that no amount of philosophical arguments can convince someone of the divinity of Jesus. The Pharisees didn't even believe the divinity of Jesus when He was performing miracles in front of their very own eyes. I believe that faith comes from obedience and purity.

If someone really desires to tell someone a specific string of words to unlock someone else's belief in God, I believe their best bet is to tell the atheist/agnostic to read scripture, while the Christian does their best to lead a Christlike lifestyle, which can be shown through the Protestant work ethic

However, I am of the opinion that the entire concept of atheism is a myth.

"Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and they glory in their shame, with minds set on earthly things.” - Philippians 3:19.

This shows that even so-called atheists can worship their own lower, false gods. Which means the Reddit atheist argument of "I just worship one less god than you do" has zero merit.

In other words, it's possible to be A-christian, but under Christianity's framework, it is not even possible to be a-theist, since atheists worship other things besides Christ (such as video games, anime, porn, etc;)

 

[LanaPodesta]

This is a topic I am interested in.

Scripture says: “If they do not listen to Moses and the prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.” - Luke 16:31

How I interpret this (as someone who is neither a priest or a theologian), is that no amount of philosophical arguments can convince someone of the divinity of Jesus. The Pharisees didn't even believe the divinity of Jesus when He was performing miracles in front of their very own eyes. I believe that faith comes from obedience and purity.

If someone really desires to tell someone a specific string of words to unlock someone else's belief in God, I believe their best bet is to tell the atheist/agnostic to read scripture, while the Christian does their best to lead a Christlike lifestyle, which can be shown through the Protestant work ethic

However, I am of the opinion that the entire concept of atheism is a myth.

"Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and they glory in their shame, with minds set on earthly things.” - Philippians 3:19.

This shows that even so-called atheists can worship their own lower, false gods. Which means the Reddit atheist argument of "I just worship one less god than you do" has zero merit.

In other words, it's possible to be A-christian, but under Christianity's framework, it is not even possible to be a-theist, since atheists worship other things besides Christ (such as video games, anime, porn, etc;)

Right. I ask atheists "If God spoke in your ear, would you believe in Him?"

They say no. Well, there you go.

 

[TiredOfTheWorld]

Humans were created by a supernatural force as was all other life on earth.

 

[Who Me]

Evidence, not 'proof'.

Unfortunetly you are incorrect.
Most criminal trials are based on the evidence that the accused was at the scene of the crime, that the evidence shows they handled items either found at the scene or were in possestion of items that left evidence of being used at the scene of the crime.
Evidence like finger prints, dna, fabric fibers from clothing, cctv images showing they were in the area when the crime happened.
Evidence is proof, particularly when those opposed to the argument being put forward have no vivable alternative case.

 

[LanaPodesta]

Unfortunetly you are incorrect.
Most criminal trials are based on the evidence that the accused was at the scene of the crime, that the evidence shows they handled items either found at the scene or were in possestion of items that left evidence of being used at the scene of the crime.
Evidence like finger prints, dna, fabric fibers from clothing, cctv images showing they were in the area when the crime happened.
Evidence is proof, particularly when those opposed to the argument being put forward have no vivable alternative case.

No.

 

[Who Me]

No.

Just to rub my argument home, please look at these arguments from the Coldcasedetective James warner Wallace at:-https://coldcasechristianity.com/?s=Evidence+for+god

 

[onlysaved]

God is mysterious by nature and never be proven. He is above and beyond all things. He is beyond matter.

God is not mysterious. He had told us everything that we need to know.

In fact everyone knows He exists and knows His charecter which is evident from what has been made.
Everyone knows Him and nearly everyone rejects Him. Actively chooses their sin instead of Him.

People don't disbelieve because they lack evidence, they disbelieve because they love evil.

 

[LanaPodesta]

Just to rub my argument home, please look at these arguments from the Coldcasedetective James warner Wallace at:-https://coldcasechristianity.com/?s=Evidence+for+god

Why is that relevant?

 

[LanaPodesta]

God is not mysterious. He had told us everything that we need to know.

In fact everyone knows He exists and knows His charecter which is evident from what has been made.
Everyone knows Him and nearly everyone rejects Him. Actively chooses their sin instead of Him.

People don't disbelieve because they lack evidence, they disbelieve because they love evil.

Yes He is? To deny this is to be border on heresy. God cannot be known in His essence.

 

[skyoxshora]

God is not mysterious. He had told us everything that we need to know.

In fact everyone knows He exists and knows His charecter which is evident from what has been made.
Everyone knows Him and nearly everyone rejects Him. Actively chooses their sin instead of Him.

People don't disbelieve because they lack evidence, they disbelieve because they love evil.

God is mysterious (Isaiah 55:8–9, Deuteronomy 29:29, Romans 11:33, Job 26:14, 1 Corinthians 2:7, Psalm 145:3) but salvation is not (Matthew 7:7–8, Romans 10:9, Romans 10:13, Acts 16:30–31, John 3:16).

 

[Hawkman]

We offer the world proof of God by showing them the light that shines through us from Him . This is best seen in person , face to face and we should be ready to shine our light on this dark world of doubt .

Matt 5
13Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

14Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

15Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

16Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Can we as a Christian fully comprehend all things of God ? Of course not , but do we need full comprehension to be able to serve him , no not at all .

LanaPodesta rest assured that there is a time coming when we will see the proof .

1Cor 13
10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

 

[onlysaved]

Yes He is? To deny this is to be border on heresy. God cannot be known in His essence.

Romans chapter 1

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

There are mysterious things about God. None if them are things we need to know or dwell on.
I dunno maybe I am just a worse sinner than the rest of you.. It takes 100% of me effort to not go astray 100% of the time. I have exactly 0 minutes and 0 seconds to contemplate what I don't know about God and that which is not clearly defined in His word.
To know God's word is to know God. If it's not in God's word it's speculation and likely to lead to false doctrine, because that's what the minds if men do and they do that because the truth isn't enough for them.
Why contemplate what we don't know about God, when we barely live up to the minimum He wants for us already?

How do I know we are barely living up to the minimum?
Look at the world around us...

Who's prayed for Nigeria today?
I haven't! And I repent of that.. see? No time for speculation about what's not clear about God.

 

[LanaPodesta]

Romans chapter 1

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

There are mysterious things about God. None if them are things we need to know or dwell on.
I dunno maybe I am just a worse sinner than the rest of you.. It takes 100% of me effort to not go astray 100% of the time. I have exactly 0 minutes and 0 seconds to contemplate what I don't know about God and that which is not clearly defined in His word.
To know God's word is to know God. If it's not in God's word it's speculation and likely to lead to false doctrine, because that's what the minds if men do and they do that because the truth isn't enough for them.
Why contemplate what we don't know about God, when we barely live up to the minimum He wants for us already?

How do I know we are barely living up to the minimum?
Look at the world around us...

Who's prayed for Nigeria today?
I haven't! And I repent of that.. see? No time for speculation about what's not clear about God.

No. God's essence cannot be comprehended

 

[LanaPodesta]

We offer the world proof of God by showing them the light that shines through us from Him . This is best seen in person , face to face and we should be ready to shine our light on this dark world of doubt .

Matt 5
13Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

14Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

15Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

16Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Can we as a Christian fully comprehend all things of God ? Of course not , but do we need full comprehension to be able to serve him , no not at all .

LanaPodesta rest assured that there is a time coming when we will see the proof .

1Cor 13
10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Those are His energies. Not His essence

 

[Lafftur]

Hi LanaPodesta

How are you doing today?

You're absolutely beautiful and God loves you very much!

 

[Lafftur]

God is mysterious by nature and never be proven. He is above and beyond all things. He is beyond matter.

Some of what you say about God is true and some is not...

God is mysterious.... yes, but only to the natural mind... the natural mind cannot understand or comprehend God at all because the natural mind operates with Pride and God resist the proud and shows Himself to the humble... the spiritual mind of the humble can understand God and see Him... everywhere.

God is never proven.... yes, to the natural mind God can never be seen or proven to exist... to the spiritual mind God is proven to exist and be present in everything and everywhere.

True, God is above and beyond all things... yet, He reveals Himself to be in all things.... seen and unseen because nothing can exist without Him... seen or unseen.

God is the only One that matters and can call into existence all matter and annihilate all matter. God dwells in all matter and exists outside of matter...

Would you like to have a relationship with Him or just read and study about Him?

 

[onlysaved]

No. God's essence cannot be comprehended

If that's how you want to put it, then His essence is not anything we need to know about or even consider.

What's in the Bible is what we need to know about God.
Focusing on things that we cannot know leads to bad theology.

 

[Who Me]

Why is that relevant?

You are saying there is no evidence for God. The link is to a cold case detective who became a Christian after using his detective training on the story of Jesus.
He, as a cold case detective relied on circumstantial evidence to convict people of being guilty of a cold case killing.

There is evidence for God and one can prove that there is a God.

 

[LanaPodesta]

Some of what you say about God is true and some is not...

God is mysterious.... yes, but only to the natural mind... the natural mind cannot understand or comprehend God at all because the natural mind operates with Pride and God resist the proud and shows Himself to the humble... the spiritual mind of the humble can understand God and see Him... everywhere.

God is never proven.... yes, to the natural mind God can never be seen or proven to exist... to the spiritual mind God is proven to exist and be present in everything and everywhere.

True, God is above and beyond all things... yet, He reveals Himself to be in all things.... seen and unseen because nothing can exist without Him... seen or unseen.

God is the only One that matters and can call into existence all matter and annihilate all matter. God dwells in all matter and exists outside of matter...

Would you like to have a relationship with Him or just read and study about Him?

I do have a relationship with Him? What I'm saying is true because it is doctrine.