Has the LORD confused the GOP party?

[Not_Now.Soon]

Not true.
People kill babies. Some are democrates, some are republicans.
Some are atheists, some are Christians.

People were killing babies well before abortion was legal.

Making it legal does not make it right. That it was occuring before it was legal, also does not make it right.

Republicans say they are against abortion and are voted into office by the people who suppoet those republicans. But then too much of it goes nowhere and abortions are ignored while they are in power, and only focused on when they are not in office to obtain more votes. I truely hope Trump is different and actually makes headway. Time will tell.

Democrates do the same thing for other causes, fight for them to get into office and ignore them when in office. But they also activily support abortion as a woman's rights.

It is not you or I who vote politicians in that descide what is republican or democrat. It's those politicians voted in and the decisions they make that define republican and democrat positions.

On a different note. I'm comming to hate the politics of our nation because of how divided and outspokenly viloent they are making the Americuan people. As far as I'm concerned those of us who are American and who vote are only one party. The party of American voters. That's how politicians view us. Demographics of a large voting body to gain support from, and to gather support of those on the "other side" while holding on to the votes of their "home base." But only Americans vote for American policitians. Thus they are the only demographic to hold as our party of dissagreeing views. Untill Canada, Mexico, or any other nation can vote in US elections; or untill the American people have more influence then just their votes, I say we are only one party. The voting Americans. Democrates and Republicans are defined by those in office making decisions. Not by the voters and how we want either party to behave. That's my view anyways.

 

[Winnie]

I was not implying that the Russian dictator influenced the peoples votes, my point was that assuming the dems really were going for the global government thing, then that could be the reason he wanted trump in. That's all.
I am very aware of what the VA is like and I dont like it. Of course the halls in recent years have gotten unbelievably congested. At least at the nearest one near me. But that is the VA operating in current America. They instituted some new rules where you can, if elegible, see a regular doctor in your area if the wait would be to long.
All the doctors are NOT students, but yes, it is where doctor wannabes can get a free education if they serve so many years there. So there are plenty. Actually, I think that is for speciality things like 'radiologist' or whatever.
You know, if a good system could get worked out, like in New Zealand, then WHY NOT? People are struggling to afford obamacare. Some families pay what, like 900 dollars a month for a family of four? Yeah, for many it isnt cheaper than before.

 

[Winnie]

Oh, and what are the chances the medical costs are going to go down? Probably slim to none.

 

[stovebolts]

Making it legal does not make it right. That it was occuring before it was legal, also does not make it right.

Republicans say they are against abortion and are voted into office by the people who suppoet those republicans. But then too much of it goes nowhere and abortions are ignored while they are in power, and only focused on when they are not in office to obtain more votes. I truely hope Trump is different and actually makes headway. Time will tell.

Democrates do the same thing for other causes, fight for them to get into office and ignore them when in office. But they also activily support abortion as a woman's rights.

It is not you or I who vote politicians in that descide what is republican or democrat. It's those politicians voted in and the decisions they make that define republican and democrat positions.

On a different note. I'm comming to hate the politics of our nation because of how divided and outspokenly viloent they are making the Americuan people. As far as I'm concerned those of us who are American and who vote are only one party. The party of American voters. That's how politicians view us. Demographics of a large voting body to gain support from, and to gather support of those on the "other side" while holding on to the votes of their "home base." But only Americans vote for American policitians. Thus they are the only demographic to hold as our party of dissagreeing views. Untill Canada, Mexico, or any other nation can vote in US elections; or untill the American people have more influence then just their votes, I say we are only one party. The voting Americans. Democrates and Republicans are defined by those in office making decisions. Not by the voters and how we want either party to behave. That's my view anyways.

I understand, and also agree with much you have said.

But here is my point. You can't regulate morality. Whether abortion is legal or illegal doesn't stop people from getting them. What we can say is many people have had them because being legal, they equated it with being ok. After all, if it's legal, then it can't be wrong. Thus, it can send a mixed signal.

However, there is another group that have them out of desperation. And that's another conversation all together, and let's not forget when a mother has complications and it's either her life, or the child's life. You or I have no business judging, let alone condemning her if she has an abortion let alone praising her if she didn't. In that situation, we need to learn to support her in her choice.

What if we started teaching morality and we supported the women who were pregnant? What if we helped them raise their children and gave them encouragement? Do you think that abortions would decline?

I say know what your against, but be prepared to make a difference not by way of self righteousness which leads to the condemnation of others, but rather we make a difference by being a support to those in need while giving encouragement and monitary gifts to support a woman who isn't prepared to have a child...

 

[Christ_empowered]

I dunno. I think that Christians are called to be light unto a dark and dying world, not legislate morality. So...to that end...I think the practical thing to do would be to leave gay marriage alone, leave roe v wade alone, and focus on building up the faithful and reaching out to the lost by meeting them "at their point of need."

Abortion laws were all over the place before roe v wade. as one would expect, women (and families, by extension) of means had an easier go of things than poor and working-class women. I was reading about it...in a lot of places, a psychiatrist could give the go ahead for an abortion, if he (usually a he, that is) said carrying the baby to term would harm the woman's mental health. The result? middle and upper income women knew which shrinks would be more "accomodating" to their needs. poor and working class women had to face the back alley butcher.

Besides, the GOP wasn't --always-- the party of class warfare and anti-abortion policies, and dems weren't --always-- united as a "pro-choice" force. I was reading about it, and politics in America have really, really polarized. Reagan helped start moving the GOP to the right, and along with it...the whole political disucssion, basically until sanders showed up, had moved to the right, too.

I vaguely remember Hilary Clinton saying that abortion should be "safe, legal, and rare." That's my personal view, too--conservative in my own life, more liberal/progressive in my political outlook. But in 2016, HRC acted like she was Gloria Steinem 2.0 or something, basically to get votes. A lot of factors came together (including sanders), and she put on a progressive front for about 15minutes, give or take. That's what's happening in America...I get the sense that all our real issues are either ignored or reduced to sound bytes, and the masses are being divided along these ridiculously simplistic lines.

((Finished, for now))

 

[civilwarbuff]

I dunno. I think that Christians are called to be light unto a dark and dying world, not legislate morality. So...to that end...I think the practical thing to do would be to leave gay marriage alone, leave roe v wade alone, and focus on building up the faithful and reaching out to the lost by meeting them "at their point of need."

Are you suggesting that we compromise with the lost and tell them what?.....That what they are doing really isn't all the bad?....that living the homosexual lifestyle or having abortions is really OK with God?.....that you can live a life that is contrary to His word and still expect to be accepted into His presence? You might want to re-think your position.......

 

[jasonc]

I understand, and also agree with much you have said.

But here is my point. You can't regulate morality. Whether abortion is legal or illegal doesn't stop people from getting them. What we can say is many people have had them because being legal, they equated it with being ok. After all, if it's legal, then it can't be wrong. Thus, it can send a mixed signal.

However, there is another group that have them out of desperation. And that's another conversation all together, and let's not forget when a mother has complications and it's either her life, or the child's life. You or I have no business judging, let alone condemning her if she has an abortion let alone praising her if she didn't. In that situation, we need to learn to support her in her choice.

What if we started teaching morality and we supported the women who were pregnant? What if we helped them raise their children and gave them encouragement? Do you think that abortions would decline?

I say know what your against, but be prepared to make a difference not by way of self righteousness which leads to the condemnation of others, but rather we make a difference by being a support to those in need while giving encouragement and monitary gifts to support a woman who isn't prepared to have a child...

Buggy bunch,care net,and one other to name a few in my county.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

I understand, and also agree with much you have said.

But here is my point. You can't regulate morality. Whether abortion is legal or illegal doesn't stop people from getting them. What we can say is many people have had them because being legal, they equated it with being ok. After all, if it's legal, then it can't be wrong. Thus, it can send a mixed signal.

However, there is another group that have them out of desperation. And that's another conversation all together, and let's not forget when a mother has complications and it's either her life, or the child's life. You or I have no business judging, let alone condemning her if she has an abortion let alone praising her if she didn't. In that situation, we need to learn to support her in her choice.

What if we started teaching morality and we supported the women who were pregnant? What if we helped them raise their children and gave them encouragement? Do you think that abortions would decline?

I say know what your against, but be prepared to make a difference not by way of self righteousness which leads to the condemnation of others, but rather we make a difference by being a support to those in need while giving encouragement and monitary gifts to support a woman who isn't prepared to have a child...

I don't know. I'd say laws in general are the government's means or regulating morality, along with a few other things. Along with punishments or lack of support if indivuals or states don't abide by those laws. (I think there's a federal minimum wage standard that if states don't uphold at least that much, they don't get federal funding for highway projects, or some other project.). But that said, your right that we can only go so far. Laws and regulations only go so far unless they are supported and upheld in the culture as right and good. To some the laws for speeding and DUIs only effect people after they get tickets, and even then they watch out for police and their "money making scheme." They don't agree with the laws in one way or another. But both of those laws are for the safety of the people and are in an effect regulating morality.

As for the enviornment that abortion has become such a validated option, even one encouraged so a person does't "throw their life away." I really wish there were some changes that we could make in that enviornment. I can't say much more about abortion besides it being wrong because I've gotten wrapped up in the excuses at one time. And I wonder if my wife and I are having trouble having children as a punishment for what I did. If we can encourage that all children are a blessing and have more of a community bond to families for their support, while at the same time still hold the line that sex before marriage, sex in highschool and college, and adultry are all wrong; then perhaps we might be able to discourage sex when it is wrong (and hopefully reduce the desperate abortions, the plan B pills, and other potiential harm potential mothers might do); as well as after the fact of becoming pregnet not adding to the incentive for an abortion.

As for the money. That's a trickier aspect. A cousin of mine got pregnet more then once at a young age, and I don't know if monetary support sends the wrong message in the same way that abortion being legal is a wrong message. Support the family but not the decisions I think has to be dealt with on a case by case sitution.

I think one of the first things that should probabley be attempted to change is the idea that love and sex are two parts of the same thing. In movies, on tv and, in the culture in general, if people are in love, the big highlight is the romantic spark directed towards sex. (They might avoid the sex scene but the message is there way too often). Teens and kids who don't have as good of a hold on their hormones this added message doesn't help. For too many it becomes an expectation of a relationship way before the expectation of marriage is approached. I'd say this factor would also need to change if the enviornment around abortion has much of a chance.

 

[stovebolts]

Are you suggesting that we compromise with the lost and tell them what?.....That what they are doing really isn't all the bad?....that living the homosexual lifestyle or having abortions is really OK with God?.....that you can live a life that is contrary to His word and still expect to be accepted into His presence? You might want to re-think your position.......

Darkness is dark. Instead of condemning the dark (which is already condemned) why not ask why the light isn't shining as bright as it could?
In short, your not God, so who are you to pass judgment upon another?

Instead of telling people how wrong or bad they are, what would happen if you simply showed them a better way to live?

When Jesus was hung on the cross, to those who yelled, "crucify him", Jesus replied, "Father forgive them, because they do not know what they are doing".

The story isn't over, because in Acts 2, these same people realized they made a mistake... and so it is with so many other things in life.

People need to understand from their own heart what is true, and when they understand the truth, their own darkness becomes exposed. If we have planted seeds full of grace, then chances are when they realize their mistake, they just may seek refuge in the truth.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Instead of telling people how wrong or bad they are, what would happen if you simply showed them a better way to live?

You need to re-read the post; nothing was said about showing them a better way but rather simply accepting them just as they are.....big difference there. Remember the woman about to be stoned and what she was told......go, and sin no more.

In short, your not God, so who are you to pass judgment upon another?

I said he needed to re-think his position given what he wrote.......if you consider that judging I am OK with that.....

 

[daninthelionsden]

I would say any nation's laws loosely reflect on that nation's morals and in turn are rooted in that nation's religious beliefs. That is why sociologists say our constitution reflects our Judeo-Christian religious heritage brought over and hammered out by our nation's founders. ( how I miss Glenn Beck ) Murder, rape, theft, abortion are all crimes that result in victims. Laws are moral codes to protect those victims.

 

[stovebolts]

You need to re-read the post; nothing was said about showing them a better way but rather simply accepting them just as they are.....big difference there. Remember the woman about to be stoned and what she was told......go, and sin no more.

I said he needed to re-think his position given what he wrote.......if you consider that judging I am OK with that.....

Hi,
Please don't get me wrong. We should always stand strong in the truth, but when applicable, we always deliver the truth in love. (1 cor 13).

As far as the woman caught in Adultry, her accusers were neglecting the law themselves. You see, according to the law, both parties were to be on trial. Considering she was caught in the act, where was the man? Those who sought to condemn her were guilty of trying her illegally, and were breaking the law themselves...
But to your point, for somebody who has had an abortion, once the truth has made itself known, they should sin no more.

But how often do you struggle with the same sin over and over? You know, we will be judged with the measure we judge others by. That's a sobering thought.

 

[stovebolts]

I don't know. I'd say laws in general are the government's means or regulating morality, along with a few other things. Along with punishments or lack of support if indivuals or states don't abide by those laws. (I think there's a federal minimum wage standard that if states don't uphold at least that much, they don't get federal funding for highway projects, or some other project.). But that said, your right that we can only go so far. Laws and regulations only go so far unless they are supported and upheld in the culture as right and good. To some the laws for speeding and DUIs only effect people after they get tickets, and even then they watch out for police and their "money making scheme." They don't agree with the laws in one way or another. But both of those laws are for the safety of the people and are in an effect regulating morality.

As for the enviornment that abortion has become such a validated option, even one encouraged so a person does't "throw their life away." I really wish there were some changes that we could make in that enviornment. I can't say much more about abortion besides it being wrong because I've gotten wrapped up in the excuses at one time. And I wonder if my wife and I are having trouble having children as a punishment for what I did. If we can encourage that all children are a blessing and have more of a community bond to families for their support, while at the same time still hold the line that sex before marriage, sex in highschool and college, and adultry are all wrong; then perhaps we might be able to discourage sex when it is wrong (and hopefully reduce the desperate abortions, the plan B pills, and other potiential harm potential mothers might do); as well as after the fact of becoming pregnet not adding to the incentive for an abortion.

As for the money. That's a trickier aspect. A cousin of mine got pregnet more then once at a young age, and I don't know if monetary support sends the wrong message in the same way that abortion being legal is a wrong message. Support the family but not the decisions I think has to be dealt with on a case by case sitution.

I think one of the first things that should probabley be attempted to change is the idea that love and sex are two parts of the same thing. In movies, on tv and, in the culture in general, if people are in love, the big highlight is the romantic spark directed towards sex. (They might avoid the sex scene but the message is there way too often). Teens and kids who don't have as good of a hold on their hormones this added message doesn't help. For too many it becomes an expectation of a relationship way before the expectation of marriage is approached. I'd say this factor would also need to change if the enviornment around abortion has much of a chance.

Thanks for sharing. It means a lot.

I don't think God is punishing you. I used to think like that too, but I found out it's a lie.

We have a Father who wants to pour his grace out upon us because he wants a relationship with us. Sometimes it takes trials in our life to really draw us near to God, and Job is an example of this.

God knows what we need, even when we don't like what he has in store for us. He does not punish us, but he is with us in our sorrows and in our trials. He allows us these things as a means to draw near to him.

Grace and peace.

 

[Mozart's Starling]

Both parties think a wordly view can run the world. Dems think everything with the world needs to be accepted and loved even if it is an affront to God. Republicans claim to be the Godly party but promote rampant business growth at the cost of everything. Perpetuate the idea that man made worldy system that exploits people will somehow solve everything. Oh and wars but both parties do that. Both are equally wrong in different ways because both propose a man made system can lead to Heaven on Earth and don't get me started on the current president. Not a political forum so I won't say anymore lol. Just an opinion btw.