Hating Doctrine vs Hating People

[Rockytopva]

Hating Doctrine vs Hating People...

1. God hates liberal doctrine - ...The doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate. - Revelation 2:15
2. God loves people - We love him, because he first loved us. - 1 John 4:19

There have been many put to death over what was believed false doctrine, as we had this past week. Hopefully I have posted enough scripture in that we are to hate the sin yet love the sinner. I myself have had to learn good character in the midst of what I would call weak foundations. I have left some churches after the feeling I was in more of a rock concert setting than a Christian one. And having the prophecy of Isaiah come to mind as I was sitting through all of that...

Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: - Isaiah 29:13

 

[Hidden In Him]

There have been many put to death over what was believed false doctrine, as we had this past week. Hopefully I have posted enough scripture in that we are to hate the sin yet love the sinner. I myself have had to learn good character in the midst of what I would call weak foundations. I have left some churches after the feeling I was in more of a rock concert setting than a Christian one. And having the prophecy of Isaiah come to mind as I was sitting through all of that...

Yeah. There are a lot of churches that I think could potentially fit this category to varying extents. Maybe not to the degree of the Mormons, but the superficiality runs pretty deep these days. But in such cases we remove ourselves politely and respectfully, and maybe pray they grow in their faith, not flip out and rebel, and slander and defame, or in worst case scenarios go on a genocidal killing spree.

I think what may have likely happened is the guy married a Mormon woman and she, her family, and/ or the church tried changing him by force and coercion, something that almost never works. So he got rejected, was psychologically unbalanced from being in battle as a soldier, and finally just flipped.

Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: - Isaiah 29:13

And here is where things could have been different. If they were operating in genuine gifts, the Spirit of God could have exposed this man's plot before he carried it out. The Spirit could have prophesied to the woman that she was in danger, or at least to the whole church. But obviously they were oblivious to it until the day came, and he had devices in his home I think, so this was clearly premeditated.

I'm not wanting to blame the people of that church, or the wife or family. The evil was on the man for choosing to serve the enemy instead of God. But what a shame that more churches don't appeal to the Lord Jesus Christ for His supernatural gifts so that they are made aware of danger, and march headlong straight into it instead of "being warned in a dream, they went another way."

 

[JLB]

And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.
Matthew 24:10


This is talking about Christians, being offended and betraying one another and hating one another.

 

[Rockytopva]

Notes on the seriousness of persecuting people on the grounds of doctrine.... And... I believe one ought to think real hard about any kind of offense towards other believers on doctrinal grounds...

"Neither God nor his Spirit have counseled such an action. Christ did not treat those who negated him that way." - Italian poet Camillo Renato on the Servetus execution
"To kill a man is not to protect a doctrine, but it is to kill a man." - French humanist Sébastien Chateillon on the Servetus execution
"I consider it a serious matter to kill men because they are in error on some question of scriptural interpretation, when we know that even the elect ones may be led astray into error." - Michael Servetus

 

[Rockytopva]

Not only that.... Just looking at people wrong is enough to drive folks away these days. Whereas in times past they would have given a firm warning. Especially as they were so greatly established in their faith

 

[Free]

Hating Doctrine vs Hating People...

1. God hates liberal doctrine - ...The doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate. - Revelation 2:15
2. God loves people - We love him, because he first loved us. - 1 John 4:19

There have been many put to death over what was believed false doctrine, as we had this past week. Hopefully I have posted enough scripture in that we are to hate the sin yet love the sinner. I myself have had to learn good character in the midst of what I would call weak foundations. I have left some churches after the feeling I was in more of a rock concert setting than a Christian one. And having the prophecy of Isaiah come to mind as I was sitting through all of that...

Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: - Isaiah 29:13

Here are some interesting quotes from Paul Washer that are worth pondering, all from The Gospel’s Power and Message:

"In the broad spectrum of the Scriptures, divine wrath refers to God’s holy displeasure and righteous indignation directed towards the sinner and his sin. In considering the wrath of God, it is important to understand that it is not an uncontrollable, irrational, or selfish emotion, but His wrath is the result of His holiness, righteousness, and love.
It is also a necessary element of His government. Because of who God is, He must react adversely to sin. God is holy. Therefore, evil repulses Him, and He breaks fellowship with the wicked. God is love and zealously loves all that is good. Such intense love for righteousness manifests itself in an equally intense hatred of all that is evil. Thus, the love of God does not negate the wrath of God; rather, it confirms or guarantees it. God is righteous. Therefore, He must judge wickedness and condemn it. If man is an object of God’s anger, it is because he has chosen to challenge God’s sovereignty, violate His holy will, and expose himself to judgment."

"However, in the Scriptures, the hatred of God is just as much a reality as His love. According to the Scriptures, there are things that a holy and loving God hates, abhors, detests, and even loathes. Furthermore, that hatred is oftentimes directed toward fallen men.
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While the love of God is a reality that goes beyond comprehension, it is important to see that the love of God is the very reason for His hatred. We should not say that God is love and therefore He cannot hate, but rather, God is love and therefore He must hate.
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In the same way, if God loves with the greatest intensity all that is upright and good, then He must with equal intensity hate all that is perverse and evil.
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We must understand that it is impossible to separate the sin from the sinner. God does not punish sin, but He punishes the one who commits it. It is not sin that is condemned to hell but the man who practices it. For this reason, the psalmist declared: “The boastful shall not stand in Your sight; You hate all workers of iniquity.” (Psalm 5:5) And also, “The LORD is in His holy temple, the LORD’s throne is in heaven; His eyes behold, His eyelids test the sons of men. The LORD tests the righteous, but the wicked and the one who loves violence His soul hates. Upon the wicked He will rain coals; fire and brimstone and a burning wind shall be the portion of their cup. For the LORD is righteous, He loves righteousness.” (Psalm 11:4-7)

"What does it mean when the Scriptures declare that God hates sinners? First, Webster’s Dictionary defines hate as a feeling of extreme enmity toward someone, to regard another with active hostility, or to have a strong aversion toward another: to detest, loathe, abhor, or abominate. Although these are hard words, Scripture uses most, if not all of these to describe God’s relationship to sin and the sinner. Secondly, we must understand that God’s hatred exists in perfect harmony with His other attributes. Unlike man, God’s hatred is holy, just, and a result of His love. Thirdly, we must understand that God’s hatred is not a denial of His love. Psalm 5:5 is not a denial of John 3:16 or Matthew 5:44–45. Although God’s wrath abides upon the sinner, although He is angry with the wicked every day, and although He hates all who do iniquity, His love is of such a nature that He is able to love those who are the very objects of His hatred and work on their behalf for their salvation."

 

[Hidden In Him]

Notes on the seriousness of persecuting people on the grounds of doctrine.... And... I believe one ought to think real hard about any kind of offense towards other believers on doctrinal grounds...

"Neither God nor his Spirit have counseled such an action. Christ did not treat those who negated him that way." - Italian poet Camillo Renato on the Servetus execution
"To kill a man is not to protect a doctrine, but it is to kill a man." - French humanist Sébastien Chateillon on the Servetus execution
"I consider it a serious matter to kill men because they are in error on some question of scriptural interpretation, when we know that even the elect ones may be led astray into error." - Michael Servetus

Such a long long ways from:
24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient,
25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,
26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the Devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will. (2 Timothy 2:24-26)

 

[JLB]

Not only that.... Just looking at people wrong is enough to drive folks away these days. Whereas in times past they would have given a firm warning. Especially as they were so greatly established in their faith

This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men who turn from the truth. Titus 1:13-14


There is much teaching today of the doctrines and commandments of men in the body of Christ.

It’s easy to spot such, because they always seem to quote other men but not scripture.

 

[LILAC*]

Calling out a false prophet is like trying to lead a blind person. Nothing makes sense with them. Then they call you the mocker for trying to hold them accountable! SMH. At the end of the day you just wanna push them into a busy street...

 

[evenifigoalone]

Indeed, Jesus sums up the law as having two points:
(1) Love God
(2) Love others

1 Corinthians 13:3-7 says

If I give away everything I own, and if I hand my body over so that I may boast but do not have love, I gain nothing.
Love is patient, love is kind. It is not jealous, [love] is not pompous, it is not inflated,d
it is not rude, it does not seek its own interests, it is not quick-tempered, it does not brood over injury,e
it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth.
It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

This tells us what loving others should look like.