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4afaithfulone

4afaithfulone

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If the mark of the beast testing is at the end of the age, how is it that all who have lived before now have a chance to receive it?
There are only two options:
1. They all are on alive an on the earth today and will be forced to choose between Christ or the devil by taking some mark on their body.
2. Or each man has had the chance to either choose to live in the image of Christ, or the devil in his image having the mark of the beast. Cain was in the image of the Beast having his father the devil's attributes?

The problem has and always will be man's choice to live in godly character by seeking God to live by obeying His Word/Christ, or to live a dog eat dog self survival life in the image of the beasts of the jungle as their own god.
 
Gary said:
Could you elaborate on this?
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Well, if we choose to think that the mark of the beast is just some mark you allow on your body that is only going to happen at the end times(now) Then all those who have passed on, never had a chance to be tested, unless you believe they are all alive to this day, right? And isn't God more interested in our integrity, godly character of His man whom was made in His image before the fall? A mark on our skin that really does not deteriorate ones character at all. But to pledge our allegiance to one who's actions oppose God's Word, would, but then again, all who ever lived would have to be alive today for the testing wouldn't they?
But, if the test of one HAVING the mark of a/the beast is ones thinking and doing in life, rather they are like a Cain mindset of wicked behavior in their lifetime or were they like Abel who pleased God in their daily sacrifices to not live a life of wickedness, then all had a chance to be tested already.
Jesus said, I am the resurrection and the life, though one be dead(in his sins) yet shall he live who believe in me and shall never die!
I do however believe that Jesus made a point of showing that John the disciple could remain "alive" until his coming if Jesus wanted him to. But I do not really believe that all keep returning if they have not received Christ. Jesus said
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:KJV
Dead and Living or Alive have two meanings in the Bible. One is literal the other meaning is spiritual. Dead in the ground, Dead to God, Alive/Living above ground, or Alive/Living unto God by His Spirit. Once Jesus paid the debt, the graves of the OT saint were opened and they came out, Yet no where does it show they died again, nor does it say they went with Jesus as he ascended into heaven.
 
4afaithfulone
I do believe that it is not a physical mark.
It is in their forehead or right hand.
Their way of thinking, beliefs, in their forehead.
The right hand is doing his work.
The seal of God is also in ones forehead.
 
dianegcook said:
4afaithfulone
I do believe that it is not a physical mark.
It is in their forehead or right hand.
Their way of thinking, beliefs, in their forehead.
The right hand is doing his work.
The seal of God is also in ones forehead.
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My point Exactly!!
Just as the mark(traits) of a beast(animal) is to be like their actions. Our minds and our works to do wickedness during their time of testing in their lifetime shows if we have taken the mark of a beast or not. Not a literal mark which can not effect our actions. What do we pledge our allegiance to? God's Word, or man's carnal ways of dog eat dog to get ahead?
God is not interested in a mark on our body, no "thing" can make us anti-Christ(against-The Word) except by our own will. Adam could not find a suitable companion among the beasts, and neither should a child of God!
 
4afaithfulone said:
If the mark of the beast testing is at the end of the age, how is it that all who have lived before now have a chance to receive it?
There are only two options:
1. They all are on alive an on the earth today and will be forced to choose between Christ or the devil by taking some mark on their body.
2. Or each man has had the chance to either choose to live in the image of Christ, or the devil in his image having the mark of the beast. Cain was in the image of the Beast having his father the devil's attributes?

The problem has and always will be man's choice to live in godly character by seeking God to live by obeying His Word/Christ, or to live a dog eat dog self survival life in the image of the beasts of the jungle as their own god.
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The mark is not something that has been around for hundreds or thousands of years so that everyone has an opportunity to receive it. It comes on the scene for the first time after the seven seals and seven trumpets and after the dead in Messiah are resurrected. It is given by the beast of Rev 13:1 which has not yet been revealed. All believers are tested throughout their life after receiving Yeshua as their Savior, but those living at that future time when the mark is given will have a special testing that others have not had.

I would also add that while the beast's mark is in the forehead and hand (to will and to do what the beast wants), our Heavenly Father's mark is also written in the forehead:

And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. Rev 14:1
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I believe the original Greek reads, "...having his name and his Father's name..." The Father's name is YHWH (I believe pronounce Yahweh). The Son's name is Yeshua. Hopefully, we will have the Father and the Son's true name written on our foreheads as a sign of our devotion to do their will in our lives.
 
jocor said:
The mark is not something that has been around for hundreds or thousands of years so that everyone has an opportunity to receive it. It comes on the scene for the first time after the seven seals and seven trumpets and after the dead in Messiah are resurrected. It is given by the beast of Rev 13:1 which has not yet been revealed. All believers are tested throughout their life after receiving Yeshua as their Savior, but those living at that future time when the mark is given will have a special testing that others have not had.?

I would also add that while the beast's mark is in the forehead and hand (to will and to do what the beast wants), our Heavenly Father's mark is also written in the forehead:

And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. Rev 14:1
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I believe the original Greek reads, "...having his name and his Father's name..." The Father's name is YHWH (I believe pronounce Yahweh). The Son's name is Yeshua. Hopefully, we will have the Father and the Son's true name written on our foreheads as a sign of our devotion to do their will in our lives.
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Greetings jocor, so you must believe that every person who ever lived is alive on the earth today so that they can be tested then?

Can I ask you, what is in our foreheads and our hand? Isn't it our minds for our thinking and hand as in doing? Who is Jesus and what is the name of God? Isn't his name The Word?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
KJV
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
KJV
Wouldn't it seem more likely that those who have the seal of God in their foreheads means they have the mind of Christ whom is The Word of God that they live by?
Why was God's Voice hard for the Hebrews to hear and they couldn't even say His name? Because it is only by the Spirit that one can receive Jesus.. the living Word of God. .
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Gary said:
Where in the bible does it say everyone will be tested regarding the Mark of the Beast?
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Well, isn't that the deciding factor of ones destination in the next life, heavenly life or hellish life (in hot water with God) in the lake of fire?
Here we see those who were martyred or made holy, that did not worship the beast(his dog eat dog nature) or his image(his traits) that will rule and reign with Christ in the 1,000yr millennium.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
KJV

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
KJV
 
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jocor said:
The mark is not something that has been around for hundreds or thousands of years so that everyone has an opportunity to receive it. It comes on the scene for the first time after the seven seals and seven trumpets and after the dead in Messiah are resurrected. It is given by the beast of Rev 13:1 which has not yet been revealed. All believers are tested throughout their life after receiving Yeshua as their Savior, but those living at that future time when the mark is given will have a special testing that others have not had.

I would also add that while the beast's mark is in the forehead and hand (to will and to do what the beast wants), our Heavenly Father's mark is also written in the forehead:

And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. Rev 14:1
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I believe the original Greek reads, "...having his name and his Father's name..." The Father's name is YHWH (I believe pronounce Yahweh). The Son's name is Yeshua. Hopefully, we will have the Father and the Son's true name written on our foreheads as a sign of our devotion to do their will in our lives.
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My first attempt to reply to you in the above #8 post was botched by me not knowing how to insert quotes so here it is again since it would not let me edit it:

Greetings jocor, so you must believe that every person who ever lived is alive on the earth today so that they can be tested then?
Can I ask you, what is in our foreheads and our hand? Isn't it our minds for our thinking and hand as in doing? Who is Jesus and what is the name of God? Isn't his name The Word?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
KJV
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
KJV
Wouldn't it seem more likely that those who have the seal of God in their foreheads means they have the mind of Christ whom is The Word of God that they live by?
Why was God's Voice hard for the Hebrews to hear and they couldn't even say His name? Because it is only by the Spirit that one can receive Jesus.. the living Word of God.
 
4afaithfulone said:
Greetings jocor, so you must believe that every person who ever lived is alive on the earth today so that they can be tested then?
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No, I don't believe that. Scripture does not say every person that ever lived had a choice to take the mark or not.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
KJV
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
KJV
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Rev 19:13 shows that the "The Word of God" is one of his names. He has others, especially the name YHWH gave him at birth (Yeshua) which is the name that all the world should know him by.

Wouldn't it seem more likely that those who have the seal of God in their foreheads means they have the mind of Christ whom is The Word of God that they live by?
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All true believers have the mind of Messiah which could be represented by the name of the Father and Son written on their forehead. However, a literal understanding of this is also possible. Just as the high priest had YHWH written on the miter on his head (Ex 28:36), the 144,000 can have a similar head covering.
 
4afaithfulone said:
Well, isn't that the deciding factor of ones destination in the next life, heavenly life or hellish life (in hot water with God) in the lake of fire?
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No, I don't believe it is.

Revelation 20
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.



The deciding factor of ones final destination are their works, not whether they received a mark or not.
 
jocor said:
No, I don't believe that. Scripture does not say every person that ever lived had a choice to take the mark or not.



Rev 19:13 shows that the "The Word of God" is one of his names. He has others, especially the name YHWH gave him at birth (Yeshua) which is the name that all the world should know him by.



All true believers have the mind of Messiah which could be represented by the name of the Father and Son written on their forehead. However, a literal understanding of this is also possible. Just as the high priest had YHWH written on the miter on his head (Ex 28:36), the 144,000 can have a similar head covering.
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Wouldn't you think it be important to know the Word and have it within your thinking, been made in his image if you expect to be a priest of God? All believers can not be the pillars in the temple which is Christ who is Head of his holy 144,000 member body. We may be given new names, but the seal in our foreheads are the Word sealed by the Spirit of adoption who makes us a child of God. For only by the Spirit can one claim Jesus is Lord, for without the Spirit we can not hear and obey Truth.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
KJV
Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
KJV
1 Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
KJV
 
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I think it a future thing though.
It will happen during the tribulation.
I also believe ,no rapture, until the day of the Lord, the 7th trump.
 
4afaithfulone said:
Wouldn't you think it be important to know the Word and have it within your thinking, been made in his image if you expect to be a priest of God? All believers can not be the pillars in the temple which is Christ who is Head of his holy 144,000 member body. We may be given new names, but the seal in our foreheads are the Word sealed by the Spirit of adoption who makes us a child of God. For only by the Spirit can one claim Jesus is Lord, for without the Spirit we can not hear and obey Truth.
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If we are sealed by the Word when we first become children of God, then why are the 144,000 of Rev 7 sealed in their foreheads? They are already children of God. The fact is, they receive a special sealing of Yahweh's name in their forehead so that they can be protected through the trumpet judgments to come.

Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.​
 
dianegcook said:
I think it a future thing though.
It will happen during the tribulation.
I also believe ,no rapture, until the day of the Lord, the 7th trump.
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It is only the elect who have been sealed from the harm who will be caught up, not all believers. We see people passing on daily and I believe that those who are believers, are passing away in God's mercy so they are not here for the Great Tribulation.
God is only shortening the elects time, not the Great Tribulation. There are only 3 times that the term caught up is used in the Bible and they all refer to heaven. They are:
2 Cor 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
KJV
1 Thess 4:17
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
KJV
Rev 12:5
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
KJV
The man child is the same children or nation born in one day or Isaiah 66:7, they are the body of Christ, whom he is the head of and they will be caught up to meet all those who are already there in the clouds. This happens after the 7th trump and is before the birth pains of the Great Tribulation.
Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
KJV
Isa 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.
KJV
The womb of our mother heavenly Jerusalem will be shut, by God, just as the ark door was shut by God. No more shall enter into heaven after this, those who die, shall either be of the saved nations who come back in the GWTJ, or the unbelievers who go into the lake of fire they chose for themselves.
 
jocor said:
If we are sealed by the Word when we first become children of God, then why are the 144,000 of Rev 7 sealed in their foreheads? They are already children of God. The fact is, they receive a special sealing of Yahweh's name in their forehead so that they can be protected through the trumpet judgments to come.

Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.​
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Do not let your self be deceived jocor,

Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
KJV
 
dianegcook said:
I think it a future thing though.
It will happen during the tribulation.
I also believe ,no rapture, until the day of the Lord, the 7th trump.
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The Great Tribulation ends BEFORE the heavenly signs of the 6th seal begin (Mt 24:29; Rev 6:12-14). The mark is given during the Day of Yahweh which will begin when the 7th seal is opened. It begins AFTER the heavenly signs of the 6th seal (Joel 2:31).
 
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