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How much of the Olivet Discourse and Revelation do partial preterists view as fulfilled?

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1. Rev 5:6 speaks nothing of Jesus being brought before the throne of God. Why? Because Jesus has always sat at the right hand of God making intercession for us Romans 8:34.

2. There is no temple in heaven for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb being Jesus are the temple of it, Acts 7:48-51; 17:22-25; Rev 21:22, 23.

3. The Lord is in His holy temple as we are the Spiritual temple that connects us to God within the Spiritual realm of His throne, 1 Corinthians 3:16, 17.

4. There is only one resurrection, but to separate judgments as all will stand before the Lord, John 5:27-29; 2 Corinthians 5:10; Rev 20:11.

5. These parables of Jesus began in Luke 10:25 when a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? From that point moving forward Jesus gave 15 parables, meaning illustrations, beginning in Luke chapter 10-16 that all pertain to what we are to do in order to receive eternal life.

Abraham's bosom just refers to a place of comfort where the righteous dead wait in their grave until judgement day when at that time they will spend eternal life with the Father, John 5:28, 29. Jesus was raised from the dead, but still many were not persuaded to accept Him as Lord and Savior as they refused the teachings of the Apostles, even today unto the end of days.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Enjoy your eternity. Your actually denying the written word.
 

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Sir, you are the one running away from truth as you do not believe the scriptures we have been giving you that contradict everything you are trying to teach. Every point you have made in this forum comes against those scriptures you give as, if I am not wrong, you do not seem to have any Spiritual understanding as you see through a carnal mind of man teaching you. The third Heaven is a Spiritual realm not of flesh and blood or literal temples or buildings. When Christ returns there will be only one resurrect of the dead, but two different judgments in the Great White Throne judgments when the books are opened.

You state you are a Christian, but not everyone who calls themselves a Christian are a true child of God as many religions call themselves Christian, but are of their father the devil. It is only those through the Spiritual rebirth, John 3:5-7, being renewed by the Holy Spirit that have died to self and have been risen with Christ and seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God that are His own, Colossians 3:1-4; Matthew 7:21, 23; 2 Corinthians 11:13-15; 2 Timothy 3:5; 2 Peter 2:1; Rev 22:18, 19.

You have two choices, either keep believing what man is teaching you, or believe that which is already written for what you ignore. One brings eternal life and the other damnation. You can only make that choice and I will continue to pray for your soul while you are still alive for after you die judgment is made.
This is so blasphemous and hypocritical. You're actually denying what's written. For example, the scriptures says there are two resurrection and you're claiming one. If there was only 1 resurrection, there wouldn't be a reason to number it. It would simply be called "the resurrection."
 

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Rev. 20:5 - But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The first resurrection leads to eternal life. (Rev. 20:6) The second or last resurrection leads to eternal death. (Rev. 20:11-15)

The phrase 'This is the first resurrection' (20:5) goes back to what was described in (Rev. 20:40 concerning the Tribulation saints. The phrase 'the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished', is described in (Rev. 20:11-15).

The writer is clear in (Revelation) that the Tribulation saints would be part of the first resurrection. Just as the first fruit saints were in (Matt. 27:52-53). Just like the church will be at the Rapture. (1 Thess. 4:13-17) Just like the believing Jews will be. (Dan. 12:1-3).

As I said, all resurrections are in the category of 1st or 2nd (last). Ordinal numbers. Not cardinal.

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John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Where do you see several resurrections in what Jesus has already said?

See post #(42)

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1. Of course Jesus resurrection was the first, but the only one in that He ascended up to heaven. No one after Him ever was resurrected and taken up to heaven, John 3:13.

2. What you are speaking about that happened over 2000 years ago was that many, not all, were raised from the grave when the earth quaked and Jesus yielded up the Ghost. They were brought back to life and entered into the city, not heaven, so others would know Jesus as in "I am Lord" as only Jesus has power to raise anyone from the dead. This is what caused the centurion and many that were with him to believe this was the Son of God that hung on the cross, Matthew 27:50-54.

3. The Israelite's that have already dies still await in their graves. What Daniel spoke of in Daniel 12:1-3 is the time of the end when Christ returns after the war in heaven between Michael and Satan as at that time Satan has no more access to heaven, Rev Chapter 12-19; Matthew 24:29-31.

4. 5. 6. all happen when Christ returns at the ending of the seventh trumpet on the last day, John 5:28, 29.

1.) (John 3:13) is not speaking of bodily resurrection. It is speaking to the origin of the people of God. Just like Jesus origin is from Heaven.

2.) Yes, I know. They were resurrected. (Matt. 27:50-54)

3.) The resurrection of the Jews in (Dan. 12:1-3) occurs after the Tribulation. Yes they are still in their graves now but will be resurrected after the Tribulation. This is in contrast to the Church which is resurrected before the Tribulation. Both are part of the 1st resurrection however.

4.) No, I disagree. There is not one general resurrection. There are several. But all are either part of the first or second resurrection.

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There lays the problem. It's all your own opinion/interpretation. There is nowhere in the Bible that supports that of what you believe. We are not trying to judge you, but trying to help you to see the errors you cling onto. I have no clue who is teaching you these things, but the truth comes from what Jesus has already taught all of us if we would just read what is already written.
Give me a break with the hypocrisy. And take the boulder out of your eye. My position is not blasphemous nor is it unrealistic. It's the interpretation of the "parable of the 2nd coming."
 

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This is so blasphemous and hypocritical. You're actually denying what's written. For example, the scriptures says there are two resurrection and you're claiming one. If there was only 1 resurrection, there wouldn't be a reason to number it. It would simply be called "the resurrection."

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

John 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

2 Thessalonians 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father the Lord Jesus Christ: 2 Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth; 4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: 5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; 7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

When I read all the scriptures of Jesus sitting at the right hand of God and these scriptures that speak about the judgement of Christ, the Great White throne judgement where God is sitting on the throne and the books that are opened, Matthew 25:31-34; John 5:27-29; 2 Corinthians 5:10; Rev 11:18; Rev 20:4-6; Rev 20:11, 12, this makes me believe that at the Great White Throne judgement God will be sitting on His throne and Jesus is there seated at Gods right hand now on His throne of glory. All (saints and sinners) have been called from their graves (one resurrection) and the sheep are then separated from the goats as the sheep, being those of God and His Son will stand before the judgement seat of Christ as they have been given their new glorified bodies and their names found in the book of life. They will then be judged for their good works they did as being the continued works of the Lord being in Gods will and receive their crown rewards and their inheritance of the Kingdom of God. The goats being those who are not Gods will be judged out of the other books and their judgement is that of rejecting God and His Son and their punishment is being cast into the lake of fire.

Scripture never speaks of two resurrections, but only one resurrection, John 5:28, 29 and a second death being that of death and hell being cast into the lake of fire, Rev 20:14, 15. There are two separate judgments, but only one resurrection as all will occur at the same time at the Great White Throne Judgement then will God renew the heaven and earth and usher down the New Jerusalem.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.
A 1000 years in Rev 20 is not literal years, but only symbolic of a certain period of time as nowhere else in scripture does it mention a literal 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth, but symbolic as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1 Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2 Peter 3:8.
 

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Where in those scriptures say at hand means at that very moment? Is at hand means to be prepared right now in this very moment since the time of John the baptist saying repent, prepare your way of the Lord. We have been waiting for that day for over 2000 years as we have to be prepared for the return of Christ for no ones knows the day or the hour.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
You don't know what "at hand" means? Stop trying to bend the Word to fit your misunderstanding.
 

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Um, please read that verse again as it says "souls" meaning our very breath that returns back to God who gave it that made us a living soul,Genesis 2:7; 3:19; Ecc 12:7. These are not literal white robes, but clothed in the righteousness of God until the day of redemption.


The fifth seal John is given another vision of all those who have already been slain for the word of God that are asleep in the grave waiting for God to avenge them as their spirits have returned back to God who preserves their spirit until the day of redemption when Jesus returns, Ecclesiastics 12:7; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. They are told to rest a little while until their fellow servants that will be killed needs to be fulfilled. These servants are those who have the witness and testimony of Jesus that will be preaching salvation throughout the world during the time of great tribulation until the great and terrible day of the Lords return, Joel 2:31; Matthew 24:29-31.
You keep speaking as if what you think is fact, when it isn't. It's speculation. God blew breath into Adam and he became a living "soul." Stop speculating.
 

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Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

John 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

2 Thessalonians 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father the Lord Jesus Christ: 2 Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth; 4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: 5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; 7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

When I read all the scriptures of Jesus sitting at the right hand of God and these scriptures that speak about the judgement of Christ, the Great White throne judgement where God is sitting on the throne and the books that are opened, Matthew 25:31-34; John 5:27-29; 2 Corinthians 5:10; Rev 11:18; Rev 20:4-6; Rev 20:11, 12, this makes me believe that at the Great White Throne judgement God will be sitting on His throne and Jesus is there seated at Gods right hand now on His throne of glory. All (saints and sinners) have been called from their graves (one resurrection) and the sheep are then separated from the goats as the sheep, being those of God and His Son will stand before the judgement seat of Christ as they have been given their new glorified bodies and their names found in the book of life. They will then be judged for their good works they did as being the continued works of the Lord being in Gods will and receive their crown rewards and their inheritance of the Kingdom of God. The goats being those who are not Gods will be judged out of the other books and their judgement is that of rejecting God and His Son and their punishment is being cast into the lake of fire.

Scripture never speaks of two resurrections, but only one resurrection, John 5:28, 29 and a second death being that of death and hell being cast into the lake of fire, Rev 20:14, 15. There are two separate judgments, but only one resurrection as all will occur at the same time at the Great White Throne Judgement then will God renew the heaven and earth and usher down the New Jerusalem.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.
A 1000 years in Rev 20 is not literal years, but only symbolic of a certain period of time as nowhere else in scripture does it mention a literal 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth, but symbolic as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1 Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2 Peter 3:8.
It is a parable/mystery. Why would Christ and John the Baptist be baptizing people if the kingdom wasn't coming, wasn't "at hand"? That don't make sense, no how.
 
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The first resurrection leads to eternal life. (Rev. 20:6) The second or last resurrection leads to eternal death. (Rev. 20:11-15)

The phrase 'This is the first resurrection' (20:5) goes back to what was described in (Rev. 20:40 concerning the Tribulation saints. The phrase 'the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished', is described in (Rev. 20:11-15).

The writer is clear in (Revelation) that the Tribulation saints would be part of the first resurrection. Just as the first fruit saints were in (Matt. 27:52-53). Just like the church will be at the Rapture. (1 Thess. 4:13-17) Just like the believing Jews will be. (Dan. 12:1-3).

As I said, all resurrections are in the category of 1st or 2nd (last). Ordinal numbers. Not cardinal.

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Rev 20:4-6 The rest of the dead are those of the other part of the resurrection that have been raised to damnation whose names are not found written in the Lamb’s book of life. The second death are those who rejected Christ and had no faith in God being Spiritually dead that are raised from their graves, Ephesians 2:1-10. Scripture never teaches two resurrections, but only one resurrection, John 5:28, 29; 6:40, and a second death being that of Spiritual death and hell being the grave are cast into the lake of fire, Rev 20:14, 15 as they had no Spiritual power over death. There are two separate judgments, but only one resurrection as everything from Rev 19-21 happens on the last day here on this present earth. Those who are priest of God and will reign with Him are those of the Spiritual rebirth and indwelled with the Holy Spirit that are Christ own.

A 1000 years in Rev 20 is not literal years, but only symbolic of a certain period of time as nowhere else in scripture does it mention a literal 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth, but symbolic as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1 Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2 Peter 3:8.

What many do not seem to realize is when Christ returns on the last day is that everything will have now been fulfilled in the prophecies by the second coming of Christ and there are no more literal numbering of days. The last of something means the end of the former as there is no more. From the time of Christ return in Rev 19:11, up to Rev 21 where the New Heaven and New Jerusalem being ushered down from heaven will be like the twinkling of an eye as all things will come quickly. We can't see the last day events as looking at literal timing as it is Spiritual timing no man can fathom.
 

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Give me a break with the hypocrisy. And take the boulder out of your eye. My position is not blasphemous nor is it unrealistic. It's the interpretation of the "parable of the 2nd coming."

What you are posting is unrealistic as nothing you have said lines up with the scriptures, even the ones you post as you only give your opinions and interpretations. There is no private interpretation of scripture, 2 Peter 1:20.

Not sure what you mean by the parable of the 2nd coming. Are you talking about the parable of the fig tree?
 

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You don't know what "at hand" means? Stop trying to bend the Word to fit your misunderstanding.

Please do not take offence as we are only trying to get you to literally read what is already written instead of reading according to others opinions and interpretations as even I was caught up into that when I had very little knowledge.

At hand means to be readily accessible as in being prepared ahead of time for that which will present itself in time just as John the baptist preached in the wilderness. Prepare you the way of the Lord making yourself ready to be caught up to Him when He returns again.

Matthew 3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
Matthew 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 3:3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
 

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You keep speaking as if what you think is fact, when it isn't. It's speculation. God blew breath into Adam and he became a living "soul." Stop speculating.

Wow!!! How can you reject Genesis 2:7; 3:19; Ecc 12:7. If you can't accept these simply said scriptures that how could you ever accept any of them as all we see is you rejecting them. Love to know what church you attend.
 

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That is ignorance. The book has been tampered with. Why we're to use line upon, precept upon precept when reading it.

Here we go again. This is not our first rodeo where someone has said the Bible has been tampered with. Catholics have always thought this to be true as their faith and doctrines are found in the teachings of the Catechism of their church.
 

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It is a parable/mystery. Why would Christ and John the Baptist be baptizing people if the kingdom wasn't coming, wasn't "at hand"? That don't make sense, no how.

If you believe the resurrection of the saints has already happened in heaven then why are you still here. That would also make what is written in 1 Corinthians 15:51-58 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 a lie. I guess Jesus lied too when he said in John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
 
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