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Husbands who fear their wives

dirtfarmer said:
Are you suggesting that when the man walks in the door that the wife prostrates herself before him and says " Master"?
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That would be good for starters. :lol

No, of course not!
It means the wife is there to fulfill his agenda, not hers.
And the man in turn cares for every single emotional and physical need the wife has.
Remember, marriage is a type of the relationship between Christ and the church.
 
Actually, dirtfarmer, the Bible uses the relationship between boss and employee to illustrate the relationship a woman has to her husband.

""18Servants, be submissive to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and gentle, but also to those who are unreasonable. (1 Peter 2:18 NASB)
"1In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands..." (1 Peter 3:1 NASB)

Again, don't go changing what the Bible says just to suit our end-times 'trampling of truth' we're so terribly blinded by.

Women, you want a fulfilling, satisfying romantic relationship with your husband? Do what Peter says. Live your Harlequin dream by just doing what Peter says to do. Let your husband be the master of the estate. Just like an employee lets the boss be the owner of the company.
 
wondering said:
They both have problems of self-esteem if they allow themselves to be mistreated. You spoke of studies. Studies show that women and men who remain in this type of situation believe they are responsible for the mistreatement, are deserving of it, and fear leaving the situation. IOW, people in these situations are WEAK people.
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Physical abuse aside...

"19For this finds favor, if for the sake of conscience toward God a person bears up under sorrows when suffering unjustly. 20For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God.

21For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps, 22WHO COMMITTED NO SIN, NOR WAS ANY DECEIT FOUND IN HIS MOUTH; 23and while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He uttered no threats, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously..." (1 Peter 2:19-23 NASB)

So, we see Peter disagrees with you.
Experience has shown me that it is actually the person who endures abuse who is the stronger one, and is approved by God, like Jesus was in his quiet suffering.

As far as physical abuse? Call the police. That will most likely begin the end of a marriage that should end. If the abuser does not come to his senses through the legal system, he/she will probably leave on their own and you'll be free to remarry.
 
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dirtfarmer said:
Scripture tells a man to love(agape) his wife as Christ loved the church. He is to lay down his life for her if necessary. We don't find the same requirements of the wife. The wife is to love( phileo). This is a brotherly type of love, not a sacrificing or laying down their life for, love.
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What you are saying here is EXACTLY why women get dissatisfied and discontented in marriage and stray from the household.
When marriage is all about romantic feelings, and not also the love of commitment (agape), women blame the husband for not stirring those feel good emotions up in them and they feel justified in leaving and finding someone they are sure will do that in them. It's the very antithesis of God's love in relationships--as long as you have emotional and/or physical value to me, I'll stick around and love you back. I'm telling you, this is EXACTLY what is wrong with marriage: The lack of agape love and an over abundance of 'feel good' selfish love that demands the spouse fulfill that feel good love in us.

You have to remember the relationship between a man and his wife is to be a mirror of the relationship between Christ and his bride, the church. The church is indeed to be obedient to Christ the master with agape love, not just phileo love. As I say, it is this lack of selfless agape love that causes a woman to seek another husband. Agape love, by definition, will not allow the woman to do that.
 
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This showed up on FB this morning I could not help but think of this thread..

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Jethro Bodine said:
"6just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord" (1 Peter 3:6 NASB)

In our modern terminology, Peter means 'master'. Wives are to consider their husbands masters.

Now, let's not do what the church loves to do to scripture and insist it can't possibly mean what it says.
I was surely one who would reject any argument that Peter literally meant the husband is the master of the wife. But after many years of a difficult marriage I now know women will be most happy if they submit to God's plan for marriage where the man is the master and the woman is a quiet submissive servant of her master. Just like in your favorite romance novel, women, where the man is a well-to-do business man and your dream and hope is to get in good with him and enjoy his estate, not get in good with him to own and rule and control and change his estate and make him your slave!

(Move over Allen Wynne , make room in the dog house for the both of us. :lol)
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no dog house from this woman..
 
Jethro Bodine said:
What you are saying here is EXACTLY why women get dissatisfied and discontented in marriage and stray from the household.
When marriage is all about romantic feelings, and not also the love of commitment (agape), women blame the husband for not stirring those feel good emotions up in them and they feel justified in leaving and finding someone they are sure will do that in them. It's the very antithesis of God's love in relationships--as long as you have emotional and/or physical value to me, I'll stick around and love you back. I'm telling you, this is EXACTLY what is wrong with marriage: The lack of agape love and an over abundance of 'feel good' selfish love that demands the spouse fulfill that feel good love in us.

You have to remember the relationship between a man and his wife is to be a mirror of the relationship between Christ and his bride, the church. The church is indeed to be obedient to Christ the master with agape love, not just phileo love. As I say, it is this lack of selfless agape love that causes a woman to seek another husband. Agape love, by definition, will not allow the woman to do that.
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hello Jethro Bodine, dirtfarmer here

In John 21:15-17 Jesus asked Peter 3 times do you love me, 2 of those was "agape" love the last was "phileo" love. All three times Peter answered with "phileo" love, never "agape". Why do you think Peter never answered with "agape" love?
 
dirtfarmer said:
hello Jethro Bodine, dirtfarmer here

In John 21:15-17 Jesus asked Peter 3 times do you love me, 2 of those was "agape" love the last was "phileo" love. All three times Peter answered with "phileo" love, never "agape". Why do you think Peter never answered with "agape" love?
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He had not yet received the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Physical abuse aside...

"19For this finds favor, if for the sake of conscience toward God a person bears up under sorrows when suffering unjustly. 20For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God.

21For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps, 22WHO COMMITTED NO SIN, NOR WAS ANY DECEIT FOUND IN HIS MOUTH; 23and while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He uttered no threats, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously..." (1 Peter 2:19-23 NASB)

So, we see Peter disagrees with you.
Experience has shown me that it is actually the person who endures abuse who is the stronger one, and is approved by God, like Jesus was in his quiet suffering.

As far as physical abuse? Call the police. That will most likely begin the end of a marriage that should end. If the abuser does not come to his senses through the legal system, he/she will probably leave on their own and you'll be free to remarry.
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If the unbelieving spouse leaves on their own...the believing spouse is free to remarry?
 
Edward said:
If the unbelieving spouse leaves on their own...the believing spouse is free to remarry?
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Yes. That's what I see in scripture:

"15Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace. 16For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?" (1 Corinthians 7:15-16 NASB bold mine, italics in original)
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Yes. That's what I see in scripture:

"15Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace. 16For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?" (1 Corinthians 7:15-16 NASB bold mine, italics in original)
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This is Paul.
Jesus said the only reason for divorce would be adultery.
Comment?
 
wondering said:
This is Paul.
Jesus said the only reason for divorce would be adultery.
Comment?
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Paul is making a Rabbinical judgment.
The spouse that deserts is ending the relationship. You don't have a marriage when one spouse deserts the relationship.
If you think about it, the person leaving is probably going to be in adultery anyway, if they aren't already. Remember, they're unbelievers.
 
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