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Husbands who fear their wives

Classik said:
And in the case of adultery, a husband mustn't divorce the wife nor must a woman divorce the husband.
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With all due respect this is terribly wrong.
If the offending spouse is not sincerely repentant and sorry for the adultery, do not get back together with them.
Just as it is with God, the condition for forgiveness and reconciliation is a heartfelt, humble sorrow and repentance for what has happened. When the adulterer/ adulteress is truly sorry and repentant, I find it almost impossible for the true Christian to not be able to forgive and receive the partner back, but truthfully, they don't have to.
 
Classik said:
And in the case of adultery, a husband mustn't divorce the wife nor must a woman divorce the husband. We can always forgive. God hates divorce.
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Are you saying Jesus was wrong?
A lot depends on the situation.
How many times do you think one should forgive??
Jesus said one can have a divorce in this case.
Adultery is serious because God said woman was created for man and they become
one flesh.
In adultery, one or the other is sharing their body with someone else and they've broken the
oath they made with God. God becomes a part of the marriage and it is not to be shared.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Paul is making a Rabbinical judgment.
The spouse that deserts is ending the relationship. You don't have a marriage when one spouse deserts the relationship.
If you think about it, the person leaving is probably going to be in adultery anyway, if they aren't already. Remember, they're unbelievers.
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When two get married in a church, they both state that they are Christian.
IF one of them turns out to be an unbeliever, it means they LIED and got married under false pretenses.
If a marrige is performed under false pretenses, it is NOT a marriage.

If it was KNOWN that one of the spouses was an unbeliever, then it is a marriage and even if the unbeliever abandons it, they are still the spouse. You cannot have two spouses in this life.

The relationship of marriage cannot be ended except for Jesus' instruction.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
With all due respect this is terribly wrong.
If the offending spouse is not sincerely repentant and sorry for the adultery, do not get back together with them.
Just as it is with God, the condition for forgiveness and reconciliation is a heartfelt, humble sorrow and repentance for what has happened. When the adulterer/ adulteress is truly sorry and repentant, I find it almost impossible for the true Christian to not be able to forgive and receive the partner back, but truthfully, they don't have to.
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I agree.
And in some cases the affairs are non-ending so forgiveness is not even an option.
 
wondering said:
Are you saying Jesus was wrong?
A lot depends on the situation.
How many times do you think one should forgive??
Jesus said one can have a divorce in this case.
Adultery is serious because God said woman was created for man and they become
one flesh.
In adultery, one or the other is sharing their body with someone else and they've broken the
oath they made with God. God becomes a part of the marriage and it is not to be shared.
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No: I didn't assume Christ was wrong. Did He mean there must be a divorce for any case of adultery?
Don't be surprised that some are seeking such medium or excuse for a divorce - so that they'd get that right person for them.
Remember that both parties must remain unmarried provided they are alive; otherwise each of 'em who Ventures into a new relationship is living in adultery while the ex lives.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
With all due respect this is terribly wrong.
If the offending spouse is not sincerely repentant and sorry for the adultery, do not get back together with them.
Just as it is with God, the condition for forgiveness and reconciliation is a heartfelt, humble sorrow and repentance for what has happened. When the adulterer/ adulteress is truly sorry and repentant, I find it almost impossible for the true Christian to not be able to forgive and receive the partner back, but truthfully, they don't have to.
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My tubular bells friend, Jethro, have you studied the book of Hosea, how he repeatedly went after his wife that constantly went back into harlotry with other men?

Can you reconcile this issue?
 
wondering said:
Jesus said one can have a divorce in this case.
Adultery is serious because God said woman was created for man and they become
one flesh.
In adultery, one or the other is sharing their body with someone else and they've broken the
oath they made with God.
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In this day and age just the possibility of bringing a venereal disease into the marriage after being adulterous is reason enough to make adultery serious. Even something as common and widespread as chlamydia, which can be transferred without actually having intercourse, is reason enough to make unlawful contact of any kind short of intercourse with someone outside of your spouse a very serious thing. And then there's the long range implications of cervical cancer that may not catch up with you until you're in your 50's or 60's. Adultery is one of the stupidest things a person can do. It's a loser all the way around.
 
Classik said:
My tubular bells friend, Jethro, have you studied the book of Hosea, how he repeatedly went after his wife that constantly went back into harlotry with other men?

Can you reconcile this issue?
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God commanded him to do that as an illustration of God's love for his adulterous people.
He did not HAVE to do that on the basis of that being what God expects all humans to do. He HAD to do it as part of his obedience in his particular ministerial calling that was special to him alone.

If someone has the grace to take back an adulterer, then God bless 'em. But that hardly means the rest of us have to. I would on the condition that the offender is truly, truly sorry and repentant and really does want to come back to the relationship they betrayed. That usually is not the case, though. People stray from their marriages because they flat out want someone else, end of story. If they do come back but for the wrong reasons, and without having dealt with the feelings in them that caused them to stray in the first place it's simply not going to work.
 
wondering said:
When two get married in a church, they both state that they are Christian.
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That simply is not true at all.
Church weddings are a western tradition. That's all.
But I will say, it is an oath sworn before God, nonetheless. But it has nothing to do with the person actually being a Christian.

wondering said:
If it was KNOWN that one of the spouses was an unbeliever, then it is a marriage and even if the unbeliever abandons it, they are still the spouse. You cannot have two spouses in this life.

The relationship of marriage cannot be ended except for Jesus' instruction.
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Sorry, but you are negating Paul's rabbinical rule, which he has by appointment of God.
(I know, the church is completely unused to the idea that pastors and leaders actually have authority over the flock.)

If you'll notice in the passage Paul says this:

"and I think that I also have the Spirit of God." (1 Corinthians 7:40 NASB)

What this means in regard to 1 Corinthians 7:15 is, God has not given him specific instruction in this area, but rather he is offering up spiritual guidance and instruction as one who is affirmed by God to make spiritual judgments on behalf of God. He's speaking on behalf of God where God has not been specific in scripture, and has not spoken something specifically into his spirit. We see this same rabbinical decision making, okay'd by the Holy Spirit, in Acts when the Apostles made the decision about the law and the gentiles:

"28“For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials:
29that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell.” (Acts 15:28-29 NASB bold mine)
 
Classik said:
No: I didn't assume Christ was wrong. Did He mean there must be a divorce for any case of adultery?
Don't be surprised that some are seeking such medium or excuse for a divorce - so that they'd get that right person for them.
Remember that both parties must remain unmarried provided they are alive; otherwise each of 'em who Ventures into a new relationship is living in adultery while the ex lives.
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No Classik.
Jesus did not mean that we are to divorce in case of adultery. He did say, however, that this would be a valid reason.
And if some are seeking this in order to get a divorce, I can only say something I say many times:
God cannot be mocked.

If one divorces for a VALID reason, he is allowed to get remarried. A valid reason for God, not a valid reason for the government.
Otherwise, you're right. Getting remarried when leaving each other or divorced for reasons not approved by God, does mean there is adultery.
 
wondering said:
No Classik.
Jesus did not mean that we are to divorce in case of adultery. He did say, however, that this would be a valid reason.
And if some are seeking this in order to get a divorce, I can only say something I say many times:
God cannot be mocked.

If one divorces for a VALID reason, he is allowed to get remarried. A valid reason for God, not a valid reason for the government.
Otherwise, you're right. Getting remarried when leaving each other or divorced for reasons not approved by God, does mean there is adultery.
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This right here is why I'm unsure about me getting remarried so I asked the question.

She didn't divorce Mr for a valid reason. Said that she was gonna try'n marry a millionaire. No adultery was involved, though I'm quite sure that she did lay with another man before the divorce was final.

Can I get remarried or not?

I miss being married.
 
Classik said:
And in the case of adultery, a husband mustn't divorce the wife nor must a woman divorce the husband. We can always forgive. God hates divorce.
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Oh, and just to be clear.
The Christian is to ALWAYS forgive the spouse who commits adultery against them. But that does not mean they have to get back together with them. That is their choice. And as I have said, taking back someone depends on the sorrow and repentance of the person who strayed.
 
Edward said:
This right here is why I'm unsure about me getting remarried so I asked the question.

She didn't divorce Mr for a valid reason. Said that she was gonna try'n marry a millionaire. No adultery was involved, though I'm quite sure that she did lay with another man before the divorce was final.

Can I get remarried or not?

I miss being married.
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If I read 1 Corinthians 7:15 correctly just her leaving set you free to remarry. But if she has since slept with another man anyway, you are free to remarry on the grounds of adultery.
 
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Edward said:
This right here is why I'm unsure about me getting remarried so I asked the question.

She didn't divorce Mr for a valid reason. Said that she was gonna try'n marry a millionaire. No adultery was involved, though I'm quite sure that she did lay with another man before the divorce was final.

Can I get remarried or not?

I miss being married.
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I don't think so.
You should remain in the situation in which you have been born again. I would've remained only to myself if God called me before I was married.

1 Corinthians 7:20 Each one should remain in the situation which he was in when God called him.

1 Corinthians 7:27-28 Are you married? Do not seek a divorce. Are you unmarried? Do not look for a wife.

This part of Corinthians is driving home the importance of not having other things to distract from doing God's work.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
If I read 1 Corinthians 7:15 correctly just her leaving set you free to remarry. But if she has since slept with another man anyway, you are free to remarry on the grounds of adultery.
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That's what I thought but do want to be sure, because

LovethroughDove said:
I don't think so.
You should remain in the situation in which you have been born again. I would've remained only to myself if God called me before I was married.

1 Corinthians 7:20 Each one should remain in the situation which he was in when God called him.

1 Corinthians 7:27-28 Are you married? Do not seek a divorce. Are you unmarried? Do not look for a wife.

This part of Corinthians is driving home the importance of not having other things to distract from doing God's work.
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I read that too and can see the gravity of it. The only thing is though...I like being married. I miss it.:dancing
 
It is about trying to stick thick and thin through marriage. As in going to a counselor in particular a Christian one. As well as working out the problems. It is 100% each, not one over the other. Divorce is sad and that it hurts the family if you had kids. I only would divorce if your spouse is hitting you and abusing you mentally, emotionally, and physically. Praying for marriages that are broken!
 
Edward said:
This right here is why I'm unsure about me getting remarried so I asked the question.

She didn't divorce Mr for a valid reason. Said that she was gonna try'n marry a millionaire. No adultery was involved, though I'm quite sure that she did lay with another man before the divorce was final.

Can I get remarried or not?

I miss being married.
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Edward said:
This right here is why I'm unsure about me getting remarried so I asked the question.

She didn't divorce Mr for a valid reason. Said that she was gonna try'n marry a millionaire. No adultery was involved, though I'm quite sure that she did lay with another man before the divorce was final.

Can I get remarried or not?

I miss being married.
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Will PM you.

Wondering
 
wondering said:
Will PM you.

Wondering
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And Ed, You know good and well she did not go chaste when she went looking for Money Bags but in the eye of God, she is still your wife. But then Jesus allowed Moses to allow the Children of God to issue a letter of Divorce, you have that, from her, and to remarry. Just find one sweet, sweet, lady that is not looking to find Heaven's Gold, here, on the earth.
 
Edward said:
This right here is why I'm unsure about me getting remarried so I asked the question.

She didn't divorce Mr for a valid reason. Said that she was gonna try'n marry a millionaire. No adultery was involved, though I'm quite sure that she did lay with another man before the divorce was final.

Can I get remarried or not?

I miss being married.
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hello Edward, dirtfarmer here

If it offends your conscience you should refrain from doing it, regardless of what ever it is. Paul said all things are lawful but all things are not permissible if it offends your conscience.
 
LovethroughDove said:
I don't think so.
You should remain in the situation in which you have been born again. I would've remained only to myself if God called me before I was married.

1 Corinthians 7:20 Each one should remain in the situation which he was in when God called him.

1 Corinthians 7:27-28 Are you married? Do not seek a divorce. Are you unmarried? Do not look for a wife.

This part of Corinthians is driving home the importance of not having other things to distract from doing God's work.
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27Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be released. Are you released from a wife? Do not seek a wife. 28But if you marry, you have not sinned" (1 Corinthians 7:27-28 NASB bold mine)
 
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