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Abiyah

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Maybe I'm confused. When I read the Scriptures I have listed below, as well as many other Scriptures, it is " my " understanding that the anti christ (anti = meaning instead of) comes before the Second Advent. And let me make myself clear, I mean I was under the impression that the anti-christ, that being sa'tan playing Jesus, comes BEFORE the True Jesus Christ at the Second Advent. Someone please help " me " to undertsand these scriptures " IF " I do err. So to simply ask , does sa'tan come pretending he is Jesus BEFORE the true Jesus Christ returns ?


II Thess 2: 2- 4
" That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter from us, as that the Day of Christ is at hand. LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU by any means: for that Day ( The Lord's Day) shall NOT come except there come a falling away first ( the apostacy from the True God ) ; AND THAT MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED, THE SON OF PERDITION; ( Is not satan the only one that has been sentenced to death ?). Who opposeth and exaltheth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. "

II Thess 2:9-10
" Even Him, WHOSE COMING IS AFTER THE WORKING OF SA'TAN WITH ALL POWER AND SIGNS AND LYING WONDERS, and with all DECEIVEABLENESS of unrightousness in them that perish; because they received NOT the Love of the Truth ( that truth being God's Word, but instead they listened to man doctrine or the traditions of men) that they might be saved. ( and this is what I always thought to be the great apostacy.)

And then it also says in the Book of Revelation.....

Revelation 13: 11 & 13 (verses)
" And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, ( Like the Lamb of God ) and he spake as a dragon.

" And he (he being, another beast that looked like a lamb, but spake as a dragon ) doeth great wonders, so that he MAKETH fire (fire =lightening ) come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. ( supernatural)

I always thought that this was sa'tan playing Jesus Christ before His return at the Second Advent ? And what about this other Scripture in the Book of Revelation ?

Revelation 12:9

" And the great dragon, that old serpent ( the one in the Garden of Eden), called THE DEVIL, and SA'TAN, WHICH DECEIVETH THE WHOLE WORLD ( by pretending he is Jesus Christ); he WAS CAST OUT INTO THE EARTH, AND HIS ANGELS WERE CAST OUT WITH him"

Is this the endtime Prohpecies BEFORE Jesus returns ? Or am I way off base here ? really need some solid insight ! Is the hour of temptation the time that sa'tan is here on the earth pretending he is God ?

Abiyah
 
Good questions Abiyah.

I believe the antichrist is a man, which is supported by the scriptures. You should also question the role of the false prophet. I don't know all the answers regarding end times; no one does. But the fact that you are questioning means that you are on the right track. (I think you are spot on with your assessment of the apostasy, by the way.) The moment people think they know all the answers, they stop thinking, and will accept anything that agrees with their thought process rather than weighing out the opinions against scripture.

The antichrist must be revealed before messiah returns. Based on the scriptures, this will not be his second coming either. He has visited the earth many times (prior to his death/resurrection). If the antichrist doctrine falls in line with what you believe, will you follow him (thinking he is the true messiah)?

Keep on questioning.
 
Sounds to me like you're thinking. You are suggesting a perspective that aligns with :
1) Futurism-Premillennialism

2) Prewrath or post-trib view
 
Cameron said:
Sounds to me like you're thinking. You are suggesting a perspective that aligns with :
1) Futurism-Premillennialism

2) Prewrath or post-trib view
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Sputnik: Were you aware that you were suggesting the above perspectives, Abiyah?
:roll: :) :D :-D
 
The bible was written like a giant puzzle. To understand the bible we must take All the bible says about a subject and put it together. To take part and leave some out or to pick and choose what u will believe ur puzzle will be wrong and incomplete. When u put scriptures together u get a picture that makes some scripture not means exactly what it says. The correct picture is what we r after for that is the truth. Take prayer for example, one place says (whatever I ask), another place says (according to God's will), another place says (I can ask amiss). If I take ALL the bible says about prayer I get a picture that says that God answers in 1 of 3 ways, YES, NO, and YES BUT WAIT. We must do ALL things this ways to get the correct picture (truth). Matthew 24:29-31 is the best description of what the bible says about the rapture. I have been told this is when Jesus comes back to set up His kingdom but the scene is not correct. When Jesus comes to set up His kingdom, He will be riding a white horse with a host of heaven following Him and He will stand on the mount outside Jerusalem. In verse 30 it says (the tribes (Jews) will see Him in the air. In zechariah 12:10 it says (when they (jews) see the one whom they pierced they will know Him and accept Him). The questions is: If Jesus comes at the beginning of the tribulation, how wll the Jews accept the antichrist and Jesus at the same time? They will not accept both at the same time so that means Jesus will have to come later. It will be the sixth seal, right after the antichrist sets on the throne and declares himself God (the jews eyes will be opened to who he really is) and right before God pours His wrath upon the earth. I hope this helps u.
 
Yea.....


( Hey you'll ,sorry this is so long, I try to keep it short)
GoodAfternoon all & thank you !

Yea.... I guess I am still trying to figure it all out, and I truly appreciate the help. I guess one thing that sticks in my mind is Christ very first warning of how the end of this world age will be " Take heed lest any man DECEIVE you." [ Mark 13:5] And well I guess I don't need to pick away at that, it is very straight forward and to the point; right ? Dcookcan ? You asked me ... " If the antichrist doctrine falls in line with what you believe, will you follow him (thinking he is the True Messiah) ? I would have to answer like this, that is what I am trying to figure out, for I do NOT want, nor do I desire to "fall away" ( the great apostacy) to the wrong Jesus. So " IF " I understand correctly by the Scriptures that I had quoted on my 05Jul05 post, then to answer your question, NO WAY ! but rather this...

Ephesians 6:11
" Put on the WHOLE ARMOUR OF GOD (that being His Word), that ye may be able to STAND AGAINST the wiles of the devil. "

Therefore " IF " what I understand is True, then I WILL have my Gospel Armour on and in place to "STAND AGAINST" the fiery darts of satan; as it is a spiritual armour right ? I mean with the breastplate, the shield, the helmet, & prayer; all that which is spoken of in Ephesians 6:10-19.

And my answer to Sputnik would be simply NO... I was not aware I was suggesting Futurism-premillennialism, or prewrath or post-trib prespectives, these I am not familiar with. So you see MAYBE I am missing something. Basically I read directly from God's Word, chapter by chapter & verse by verse. I do not physically attend any church; however, I do LOVE God the Father, and His Son, Jesus the Christ = God's Saviour = Immanel, God with us. [ Isaiah 7:14 ] Let me tell you what I do KNOW & BELEIVE, that which I firmly UNDERSTAND, that if you have seen the Son, you have seen the Father, just as Christ said. I believe that " In the begining was the Word, and the Word was with God, AND THE WORD WAS GOD " [ John 1:1] I also believe that THE WORD ( you know... the Word that was God) WAS MADE FLESH.,AND DWELT AMONG US. [As it is written in John 1:14] I have chose this forum to try and get some understanding of how the endtime will really be, I am not looking for all the answers, but rather understanding, and as for " me " to believe the prophecies of the endtime I MUST first have understanding and be careful that I'm NOT deceived. I feel that if Christ said " I have foretold you all things " [ John 13:23] ; Therefore, " IF " I allowed myself to be deceived it is not my own fault ? I do NOT want to be one of those that Christ says get out of my face, you know what I mean ?

Matthew 7:22-23
" Many will say in that Day (what day ? The Lord's Day.. right ?), Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name ? (Question ! ) And in Thy name have cast out devils ? And in Thy name done many wonderful works ? ( I mean these people are asking alot of questions, apparently they THOUGHT that they were doing right, they THOUGHT that they were following God's Word to the letter, or is it that they THOUGHT that Jesus Christ had returned for them, but instead it was the false christ, the instead of christ, satan, the devil, playing Christ and they fell away to the spurious messiah ? Is it that they were deceived that Christ is telling them to depart from him ? This is what I'm wanting to understand) AND THEN I WILL PROFESS UNTO THEM, I NEVER KNEW YOU; DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY. "

If Christ said this to me I would be devastated, broken hearted.

Quadding101 I do agree with you in that you said to me that to understand the Bible we must take ALL the Bible says about a subject and put it together, and I thank you for the examples which you put forth for me. Yes, yes... God's Word must flow like Water from beginning to end, from Gesesis to Revelation. You have said that I can find the best description of the rapture in Matthew 24:29-31. I have liitle understanding of the "rapture".. one reasoning being is that the word 'rapture" isn't even in the bible....is it ? I mean I always thought Christ was coming HERE...... you know to earth, that He would descend just as He ascended... which was from the Mount of Olives... right ? I always thought the rapture was brought forth by Margret McDonald in 1830. I guess I am still trying to put it all together, for I am void of understanding the rapture and need help. And if people are going to be raptured away, where are they going ? Is not the Lord's Day here on earth ? And what about that which is written in the Boof of Ezekial... ?

Ezekial 13:20
" Wherefore THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD; Behold, I AM AGAINST YOUR PILLOWS ( maybe the pillows symbolizing the covering of God's Truth ?), WHEREWITH YE THERE HUNT THE SOULS TO MAKE THEM FLY, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, EVEN THE SOULS THAT YE HUNT TO MAKE THEM FLY. " ( Is this the rapture ? )

I mean when I read this it may make one think that God is against those that teach His children that they are going to " fly away ". Is God against the rapture ? I mean I thought that we were to suppose to have the Gopsel Armour on and in place to STAND AGAINST the Fiery darts of satan and not fly away before hand. ?????? See what I mean.. I NEED help with this. And you know how Christ said that there will be two and that one is taken and the other is left [Matthew 24:40-41] is it atl all possible that the one taken is taken into deception ? I mean it is written that even satan himself comes disguised as an angel of light, as well as the fallen angels that are cast down to earth with him. [ II Cor. 11:13-14 & Rev. 12:9] But then again with regards to the rapture, what about
I Thess. 4:17...

I Thessalonians 4:13
" Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air; and so shall we ever be with the Lord. "

Now I do realize that God's Word is written in symbolism. hebraisms, metaphors, figures of speech, and customs of the times. When I take some of the words written in this Scripture back to there original language it makes me wonder about the rapture. Like for example the word "AIR" when taken back to the Greek is Aer= meaning to breath unconsciously, i.e. to inhale or exhale, which is the Hebrew word Neshamah , which means Breath of life, the breath spirit,. So this word air as it is in the king James bible actually means the "Breath of Life Body", The Spritual Body, and not the "air" like up in the sky. And also the word "CLOUD" in the Greek is Nephele, from the word Nephos, that meaning a large dense multitude, a multitude of assembled people. So this word cloud is a figure of speech fr a large group of people. It does in fact say that when Christ returns wel shall all be changed in a twinkling of an eye at the last trump [I cor. 15:51-52], changed into our spritual bodies. There are SEVEN trumps, so the last trump would be the 7th trump that we shall be changed and Christ does come at the Seventh Trump.. right ? And that the false christ comes at the sixth trump, sixth seal, and the sixth vial ? You see I am very confused about the rapture, gee.... I just don't know very much about it all, am I lacking a large piece of the puzzle with regards to the endtimes ?

Thanks so much,

Abiyah







 
Abiyah,
It's easier and harder than you think.
Easier because God's Word is coherent and He has something specific to say.
Harder because we all have biases. Even the disciples looked at each other wondering if one had brought bread on their boat trip when Jesus said to watch out for the leaven/yeast of the Pharisees. Jesus spoke of their teaching, the disciples missed it. So if they can miss it, we can.

The issue is "us" not the Bible. So the idea as others have partly suggested is to:
1) Have the Holy Spirit living in you
2) Make sure you understand how to read the Bible, how to interpret it. Traditionally, the method I've described above is called the "historical-grammatical" method. It's like reading a book or news paper. We should know from clues in the text how to understand things.
3) Study the Bible long, hard and pray.
4) Find a way to remove "us", your bias, as much as possible.

There is a way to do that.

I perceive you are interested in the order and sequence of End Times events. So make that your subject criteria. You want to discover/determine what the order and sequence of the End Times is. Good.

Next read the ENTIRE Bible and find any and all passages that mention the End Times, particularly order and sequence. You may need to read it multiple times.

As you read, make a 3 column page. In one column you will put the passages that speak to this issue in the clearest and most detail. This column is reserved for passages that are:
1) On the topic
2) list sequences and numbers
3) clear and detailed
No other passages will go there. I've only found 6 or 7.

The last column will have passages that are ambiguous. And as always, there's some in-between so put those in the middle. You will develop a list of Primary, Secondary and Tertiary passages.

Your core understanding will ONLY come from the Primary passages as you compare them. If a passage is not on the topic, or contain order or sequence and is also not clear and detailed. DO NOT include it in the core understanding, especially this kind of study. Once you have core, look for the similarities, alignments, parallels and connections and let them be. Don’t read in to them or you will be asking “Did I bring bread?â€Â

Jesus gives us an example in Matthew 24:15 in how to connect these primary passages.
 
The TRUE ANTICHRIST CULT must have complete authority!! Notice his DOCUMENTED work. "All dogmatic decrees of [the Pope], made with or without his general council, ARE INFALLIBLE ... Once made, no pope or council can reverse them ... This IS THE CATHOLIC PRINCIPLE, that the CHURCH CANNOT ERR IN FAITH." --The Catholic World, pgs. 422-423.

OK: That is the first [TOP] priority. 's'atan has himself in charge of a number one human man! See Genesis 4:7's start & Revelation 3:9's ending. This is & ever was satin's antichrist denomination. (and who took over when Christ left Israel of old? See Matthew 23:38 when they BECAME DESOLATE OF CHRIST---THE CULT LREADER!!)

Number two: A CULT ANTICHRIST must have a 'SECOND' book held in high esteem that is opposite to the Bible! In this time frame, It IS THE 'CATECHISM! It even openly changes the Commandments of God! [ANTICHRIST!] See 1 Jn. 2:4 & Isa. 8:20 & read Daniel 7:25!

Number three: Surely it MUST HAVE A LARGE BROADWAY WORLDWIDE CULT MEMBERSHIP! See Matt. 7 & Rev. 17:5!! To have DAUGHTERS this denomination was here FIRST, huh? Again, the TRUE LEADER of even the Pope, was seen working before the flood in Cain! (Gen. 4:7) Notice whose his 'DESIRE' now was!
A denomination has always been found by satan to 'FORM-or have them become a FOLD' (Church) that would do this [FIRST CULT LEADER'S WORK]. See Revelation 2:5. (well, who would now take over!?)

Cain killed his brother. Cain was still a professor of worship! He brought an ANTICHRIST SACRIFICE! As does Rome in having Sun. for God's eternal Sabbath Day Covenant! (see Heb. 13:20) Rome, also is and was a MURDERER (from the beginning) as is DOCUMENTED in Fox Book of Martyr's. It states that is MIGHT EVEN BE A LOW ESTIMATE, OF UPWARD TO AN HUNDRED MILLION KILLED BY ROME, OF CHRISTIAN MARTYRS!!

Take note: This is satan's church! Look around you today! These LEADERS ARE [OPEN PARTAKERS] of ALL OF THIS EVIL! See Rev. 18:4!And in a quote that I posted some time back about Pope John Paul 11 suggesting that voodoo believers would not betray their traditional faith by 'converting to Christianity'. ('From the Los Angeles Times' 2/5/93)

CHRISTIANS?? Hardly can a person be [HONEST] calling an CULT ANTICHRIST denomination [CHRISTIAN!] And the Lord's CALL is for the [IGNORANT BABES IN CHRIST THAT HE HAS THERE, TO LEAVE]. Again SEE John 5:16!!

And NOW: We see satan still doing his evil work in suggesting that there is another antichrist?? what is new, God say's NOTHING!! See Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 & Ecclesiastes 3:15. Yet, these ones ARE THE CULT LEADERS 'little' daughter's that are DOING the work of mommy. What is next?? Soon ex/Protestants will do the dirty work of having Caesar do what they can not do OPENLY. Kill Christ's real brothers!

And yes, all of the world will wonder after the beast! Worship/wise!! See Revelation 13:3-4, BUT, take note of whom they really worship in verse 4!!

---John
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Phil. 4:13 & 2 Cor. 12:9 for our provisions on earth, thank you [/color]Master
 
This I tell you is true that George W. Bush is the anti christ and he has deceived the masses just as those before him have.

He believes in conquering land and killing his enemy.

Peace and prosperity he has never produced, chaos, incompetence failure and death follows him wherever he goes.

He needs an army to protect him and christ uses only body armor and a sworded tongue.

And when the chariot of fire is found in front of a tomb and the demonstration of superior leadership is performed and documented then will you look at the madman in a different light?

Commonwealth of Massachusetts VS God and his servant at Y2K and then some. The war has been in progress for seven years and the messiah has won every time.

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John the Baptist

I edited my last post so the links actually work. Sorry, the lord posts in many strange ways. :angel:
 
Here's how I am starting to see things.





The Spirit of anti-Christ is in the world now. Soon Satan himself will make an appearance, claiming to be Christ Himself.


Rev. 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

This verse means that Satan was permitted or allowed to speak and have power for 42 months.


Of course we know that Jesus overrode this time period and shortened it,
else no flesh would be saved.


Mark 13:20 "And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved:
but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days."


We learn in Rev. 9 that the shortened period is 5 months, the time of the swarming locusts.



Rev. 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.


Many people when they read these last two verses imagine that the dragon, Satan,
the anti-Christ, is going to say evil things against God.

But he's not going to be speaking "bad things" about God.
He's going to be speaking AS GOD,

i.e. everything that comes out of his mouth is blasphemous because he is claiming that HE IS GOD.

That's the blaspheme!


Remember what Paul told us would happen BEFORE our gathering back to Christ?

2 Thes. 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;


2 Thes. 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


Satan sits in the temple of God claiming to be the Messiah


and all those Christians who didn't have enough oil in their lamps,
i.e. were Biblically illiterate and were not sealed with the knowledge of His Word,
are bowing to the dragon, worshipping Satan, believing he is Jesus!

The dragon is really good at deception.




And don't forget he's claiming he is Jesus Christ, King of kings and Lord of lords,
the ruler of the whole world with power over all kindred’s and tongues and nations.


And all the world believes this impostor!

Rev. 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.


There it is, the Great Apostasy!


If you don't know ahead of time that there are two Christ’s, one real and one false.
If you don't understand God’s word real, real good,
then you will worship Satan as Jesus.


You see, from Ezekiel 28 we know how beautiful and marvellous
and wonderful and charismatic this guy really is!

And from Daniel we know he enters in peacefully and prosperously with a booming economy,
meaning big bucks for everyone

And from Revelation, chapter 12,
we know that he drew a third of God's children away from God in the first earth age!

And we know how He beguiled Adam and Eve

Folks, he's really, really good at swooning people!

They just love him to death (both figuratively and literally)!


Those who do not have the word of God ( seal of God ) in their minds will have the mark of the beast in their minds.

They will be Satan's RIGHT HAND MEN. (service)

All this takes place up to and at the sounding of the 6th trumpet.

When the 7th trumpet sounds, Christ returns and the flesh age will end.


God bless!
 
"George W. Bush is the anti christ"

No he isn't. He is part of the movement that prepared the way.
See Israel roadmap to destruction. Yet he is not the one that
will sign and confirm the 7 year peace treaty with Israel.

Watch and see.

You already can tell from the very characteristics that old G.W.
is not the one, he hasn't the support from either side now.
Basically is on the way out, bad for us that he just might invade
Iran before that in an attempt to raise his status and ratings.
Bad move, if he does. That will be it then.
 
Naw, most of earth have already decided who they are & will serve. There is no more a way to get them 'inside' the Ark than were the 'closed door' of Adams 120 years of preaching, and the Holy Spirits STRIVING!!
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John the Baptist said:
The TRUE ANTICHRIST CULT must have complete authority!! Notice his DOCUMENTED work. "All dogmatic decrees of [the Pope], made with or without his general council, ARE INFALLIBLE ... Once made, no pope or council can reverse them ... This IS THE CATHOLIC PRINCIPLE, that the CHURCH CANNOT ERR IN FAITH." --The Catholic World, pgs. 422-423.

OK: That is the first [TOP] priority. 's'atan has himself in charge of a number one human man! See Genesis 4:7's start & Revelation 3:9's ending. This is & ever was satin's antichrist denomination. (and who took over when Christ left Israel of old? See Matthew 23:38 when they BECAME DESOLATE OF CHRIST---THE CULT LREADER!!)

Number two: A CULT ANTICHRIST must have a 'SECOND' book held in high esteem that is opposite to the Bible! In this time frame, It IS THE 'CATECHISM! It even openly changes the Commandments of God! [ANTICHRIST!] See 1 Jn. 2:4 & Isa. 8:20 & read Daniel 7:25!

Number three: Surely it MUST HAVE A LARGE BROADWAY WORLDWIDE CULT MEMBERSHIP! See Matt. 7 & Rev. 17:5!! To have DAUGHTERS this denomination was here FIRST, huh? Again, the TRUE LEADER of even the Pope, was seen working before the flood in Cain! (Gen. 4:7) Notice whose his 'DESIRE' now was!
A denomination has always been found by satan to 'FORM-or have them become a FOLD' (Church) that would do this [FIRST CULT LEADER'S WORK]. See Revelation 2:5. (well, who would now take over!?)

Cain killed his brother. Cain was still a professor of worship! He brought an ANTICHRIST SACRIFICE! As does Rome in having Sun. for God's eternal Sabbath Day Covenant! (see Heb. 13:20) Rome, also is and was a MURDERER (from the beginning) as is DOCUMENTED in Fox Book of Martyr's. It states that is MIGHT EVEN BE A LOW ESTIMATE, OF UPWARD TO AN HUNDRED MILLION KILLED BY ROME, OF CHRISTIAN MARTYRS!!

Take note: This is satan's church! Look around you today! These LEADERS ARE [OPEN PARTAKERS] of ALL OF THIS EVIL! See Rev. 18:4!And in a quote that I posted some time back about Pope John Paul 11 suggesting that voodoo believers would not betray their traditional faith by 'converting to Christianity'. ('From the Los Angeles Times' 2/5/93)

CHRISTIANS?? Hardly can a person be [HONEST] calling an CULT ANTICHRIST denomination [CHRISTIAN!] And the Lord's CALL is for the [IGNORANT BABES IN CHRIST THAT HE HAS THERE, TO LEAVE]. Again SEE John 5:16!!

And NOW: We see satan still doing his evil work in suggesting that there is another antichrist?? what is new, God say's NOTHING!! See Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 & Ecclesiastes 3:15. Yet, these ones ARE THE CULT LEADERS 'little' daughter's that are DOING the work of mommy. What is next?? Soon ex/Protestants will do the dirty work of having Caesar do what they can not do OPENLY. Kill Christ's real brothers!

And yes, all of the world will wonder after the beast! Worship/wise!! See Revelation 13:3-4, BUT, take note of whom they really worship in verse 4!!

---John
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Phil. 4:13 & 2 Cor. 12:9 for our provisions on earth, thank you [/color]Master
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Think About Ones Claim To Force God To Hear All Prayer!!

Does God hear all prayers? As with the Everlasting Gospel & Everlasting Covenant, PRAYER from us, to God is likewise conditional! Notice Matthew 4:6 for a quoted promise from satan to Christ Himself! And the condition to be met? You find it.

And these inspired of the Holy Ghost verses??
"Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither His ear heavy, that it cannot hear: But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid His face from you, that He will not hear." Isaiah 59:1-2

And, who then is answering these Revelation 17:1-5 prayers? (we are talking of denominations, not the John 10:16 & Revelation 18:4 'few' who are still in ignorance)

One might define what sin is in 1 John 3:4 to see if they are guilty of knowingly & 'presumptiously' sinning? See Psalms 19:13 & also James 2:8-12? Sin is the breaking of the Everlasting Covenant of the Godhead!

One might read John 9:39-41 for who has sin? Also Luke 12:47-48.
But in the previous verse 31 this ex/blind 'physical' man was seen preaching his first sermon perhaps?? Notice:

"Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, [and doeth His will], him God heareth." Christ must have all of our will! Again: understand what that means! See 1 John 5:16-17.

Notice the verses! (of just a few) If one understood the earthly sanctuary service they could understand much of Pauls writings. But, see if you can catch the key Words in all of these verses? Check this one:

"If I [regard] iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me." Psalms 66:18 (Lord, I am going to bring my fruit sacrifice! Gen. 4:7-you know, like sun for Your 7th day requirement)

Bottom line: "Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, [to him it is sin.]" James 4:17 When & 'if' James 1:15 & 1John 5:16-17 become FULLY MATURED it bringeth forth eternal death. Obadiah 1:16.

How many professed ones are to be saved? see Matt. 7:13-27 & Revelation 17:5. These all are already mostly prepared for the great deception. Revelation 16:13-14 will be no game of deception!

Things are stated pretty clear on here already, and what change has been seen?

---John
 
All who are strong of faith will be saved, and the weak will be lifted up from the brink of death. Those who have been dead will see and hear and speak again. All will see the thief in the night in the clouds and it will begin in the twinkling of an eye. So will the Earth be as it is in heaven.
 
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