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WordsintoHarmony
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So farouk does that mean you are pre trib rapture? Because I know pre trib teaches the gathering of the Jews who are hidden in the wilderness to be gathered at the end. What is you belief on this?
I will be back later in the day to reply to what you write.
I will be back later in the day to reply to what you write.
farouk
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I think it's clear where Matthew 24 says that there will be an incomparable tribulation, such as has not been seen on earth, it is different from the tribulation principle where the Lord Jesus says to His followers, 'In the world ye shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world'.
My thing is threefold:
1) Look at the context;
2) Look at the context;
3) Look at the context.
Then, if the person has clearly looked at the context (but really has looked!), then, maybe I'll be a bit more comfortable with labels that apply to something specific, rather than using them as ammunition for debate.
Blessings.
WordsintoHarmony
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Thanks Farouk and I told you I would come on later. I believe your method of study. Contextual understanding is not only the best way but the right way to understand how to interpret the Bible in anything one wants to know about God and his message. So context is needed in every book which is the method I currently use now.
For 13 years I used to be Pre Trib Rapture. . That’s mostly because John Hagee, and Tim La Hayes told us to believe that way. How could I argue with all of these Christian Scholars who teach before great crowds of people? Certainly I could not know any better? That changed I had been challenged and I wondered why?
Why don’t you seem to believe in the Pre Trib Rapture? When Hal Lindsay says turn to a verse I just turn read and believe. But now it was time to do this a better way. Read each chapter one at a time. So I read Matthew 24. and I read 1 Thess and 2 Thess and the book of Revelation. My final conclusion in a context way of viewing the Bible? I did not find any Rapture mentioned before the Great trib. As a matter of fact I believe the Bible tells us in what order things will happen. It could take several pages why I believe Christians will go into the Great Tribulation. And why Pre Trib Rapture teaching is the least likely thing to happen in God’s timing of Prophecy.
However if we want to discuss these things they might ask us to take our conversation over to the Bible Prophecy section since now we are speaking more about Prophecy than the name identity topic. I will let you know though that some Pre trib believers end up not liking me because I no longer believe their view points. If someone were to ask me which group of Christians dislike you the most out of denominations or any Biblical belief? I would tell them the one who does not like me most are Pre Trib Rap Believers. They have been the most unkind toward me and my Post trib belief. Yet I keep the doors open for friendships whatever view a person takes. . However Preturism is one doctrine that I can’t stand to hear. Preturism is one of the most twisted doctrine end times I have ever heard from most any mainstream Christian belief and teaching. If you are not acquainted with this please read online belief system. Cause I wanted to share what another believer had shared with me on his belief. Now I just remembered that is deleted. I’ve never in my life seen scripture so awkward and twisted. Talk about not using context they are all about jumping all over the Bible. Pinch picking verses to fit this teaching. Hear anyone actually teach Preturism you will want to plug your ears and screams to not hear a word. As for Pre Trib Rapture while I don’t agree with Pre trib any any longer. Its arguments are not that weak. It is a teaching that does seem logical and Biblical. But to break down the mystery takes much reading every chapter thus taking God’s testimony first. Yes I agree with you that when Jesus told His disciple be of great cheer you will go into Tribulation is different than Matthew version of tribulation. Words from Hebrew to Greek and to English often uses common synonyms or a word that has more than one meaning. The word water for example used both literal water as Jesus walks on the water and the Spiritual aspect where Jesus told the Samaritan women she can receive the water of ever lasting life. Certainly to the Samaritan woman Jesus was not talking of real water. How was real water going to give her ever lasting Life? But Jesus uses a somewhat analogy of a well filled complete with water which even the well would over flow even beyond its capacity. Life on Earth is temporary which the water analogy would have stopped at some point. But the everlasting life gives more life than this life which is everlasting spring of water. A spiritual water that never Ends. Water is also a mandatory liquid a person needs with no doubt. You can not survive without water. A person will die faster of not having water for less time than being without food. When Jesus fasted He must have had water to drink but no food to eat. Because it is not likely Jesus would have thirsted for 40 days. I don’t think he would have lived. It was the bread He was tempted to make not the drink how this fits into Bible Prophecy simply. Farouk what you stated to read carefully in context. If you want to talk more about Bible Prophecy tell me where you want ot discuss this topic. I will be there to join.
For 13 years I used to be Pre Trib Rapture. . That’s mostly because John Hagee, and Tim La Hayes told us to believe that way. How could I argue with all of these Christian Scholars who teach before great crowds of people? Certainly I could not know any better? That changed I had been challenged and I wondered why?
Why don’t you seem to believe in the Pre Trib Rapture? When Hal Lindsay says turn to a verse I just turn read and believe. But now it was time to do this a better way. Read each chapter one at a time. So I read Matthew 24. and I read 1 Thess and 2 Thess and the book of Revelation. My final conclusion in a context way of viewing the Bible? I did not find any Rapture mentioned before the Great trib. As a matter of fact I believe the Bible tells us in what order things will happen. It could take several pages why I believe Christians will go into the Great Tribulation. And why Pre Trib Rapture teaching is the least likely thing to happen in God’s timing of Prophecy.
However if we want to discuss these things they might ask us to take our conversation over to the Bible Prophecy section since now we are speaking more about Prophecy than the name identity topic. I will let you know though that some Pre trib believers end up not liking me because I no longer believe their view points. If someone were to ask me which group of Christians dislike you the most out of denominations or any Biblical belief? I would tell them the one who does not like me most are Pre Trib Rap Believers. They have been the most unkind toward me and my Post trib belief. Yet I keep the doors open for friendships whatever view a person takes. . However Preturism is one doctrine that I can’t stand to hear. Preturism is one of the most twisted doctrine end times I have ever heard from most any mainstream Christian belief and teaching. If you are not acquainted with this please read online belief system. Cause I wanted to share what another believer had shared with me on his belief. Now I just remembered that is deleted. I’ve never in my life seen scripture so awkward and twisted. Talk about not using context they are all about jumping all over the Bible. Pinch picking verses to fit this teaching. Hear anyone actually teach Preturism you will want to plug your ears and screams to not hear a word. As for Pre Trib Rapture while I don’t agree with Pre trib any any longer. Its arguments are not that weak. It is a teaching that does seem logical and Biblical. But to break down the mystery takes much reading every chapter thus taking God’s testimony first. Yes I agree with you that when Jesus told His disciple be of great cheer you will go into Tribulation is different than Matthew version of tribulation. Words from Hebrew to Greek and to English often uses common synonyms or a word that has more than one meaning. The word water for example used both literal water as Jesus walks on the water and the Spiritual aspect where Jesus told the Samaritan women she can receive the water of ever lasting life. Certainly to the Samaritan woman Jesus was not talking of real water. How was real water going to give her ever lasting Life? But Jesus uses a somewhat analogy of a well filled complete with water which even the well would over flow even beyond its capacity. Life on Earth is temporary which the water analogy would have stopped at some point. But the everlasting life gives more life than this life which is everlasting spring of water. A spiritual water that never Ends. Water is also a mandatory liquid a person needs with no doubt. You can not survive without water. A person will die faster of not having water for less time than being without food. When Jesus fasted He must have had water to drink but no food to eat. Because it is not likely Jesus would have thirsted for 40 days. I don’t think he would have lived. It was the bread He was tempted to make not the drink how this fits into Bible Prophecy simply. Farouk what you stated to read carefully in context. If you want to talk more about Bible Prophecy tell me where you want ot discuss this topic. I will be there to join.
farouk
Member
Church:a heavenly people to be 'caught up' (1 Thess. 4). Israel: an earthly people with blessings on earth promised after an earthly tribulation that is unique (Matt. 24). The tribulation principle mentioned by the Lord Jesus is distinct.
It's not just about order of occurrence in New Testament passages; it's a matter of who the passages speak of.
Blessings.
It's not just about order of occurrence in New Testament passages; it's a matter of who the passages speak of.
Blessings.
Lol Let's not take this too far off topic. 
There's an entire sub forum dedicated to the end times.
There's an entire sub forum dedicated to the end times.
farouk
Member
Lol Let's not take this too far off topic.
Sounds good to me.