If Jesus Was God, Who Do You Say This Jesus Spoke Of?

[GaryMac]

In the very simple form the Trinity is like 3-1 oil. It is oil, but used in three different ways, but yet being oil.

God is not oil, God is a Spirit, God is not a person, God is a Spirit, God is not a thing to be grasped but only lived, God is love and man is the place He resides in His kingdom. Luke 17:20-21, and either you are it or you are not and your god is three different oils instead.

There is only one spirit of God not three, no matter how you make your god three persons, it is not the One who is a Spirit of Love and man is the place that He resides, and Jesus Himself didnt know Him nor His heaven until He came to Jesus by the Spirit that He is and opens in Jesus who He is and all of His heaven in that man. Proven in Matt 3:16, that the trinity doctrine actually accuses that of being a lie and a man is a god instead of the One who came to that man and opened who He is in that man just as He does in us all who will let Him.

 

[Free]

Tell me how that can be when all that I do is copy and past what it says? I cant change what it says as you try and do.

You simply don't understand how to properly interpret Scripture, which explains why you believe error as you do. One of the most basic ways to understand a verse or passage in the Bible, just as with any other writing, is to take everything in context. But, you are removing verses from out of their context, and so end up completely distorting the revelation of who Jesus is.

When you just pick a handful of verses and copy and paste, you ignore every single other verse in the Bible, which is to remove those verses from their context. Anyone can copy and paste from the Bible, even atheists, and they often do, but it doesn't mean such a person has understood what was said.

Case in point is that you have ignored most of the passages of Scripture I have given, and simply repeat your passages which supposedly show that Jesus isn't God. Even if the passages I have given don't convince you that Jesus is God, they certainly show your position to be false.

And I have stated over and over, Jesus never claimed to be God at all, and copied and pasted who he said he was in God. If you do not believe Jesus in who he said he was in God dont accuse me of changing it, just tell Jesus he was wrong as you are doing.

And, yet, I have copied and pasted verses which show where Jesus claimed to be God, where his disciples claimed he was God, and where the Jewish leaders understood Jesus claiming to be God. And what did you do in response? Nothing; you ignored all of it.

This is exactly what happens when you ignore context and look only at those verses which (supposedly) support your position.

The issue is, every verse you have given proves that Jesus was human, some even prove or at least imply that he was also God. I agree that Jesus was truly and fully human, but I also agree with Jesus and his apostles that he was truly and fully God.

There are verses which clearly show Jesus is human but, there are also verses which clearly show Jesus is also God. Just as with most anti-Trinitarians, you are taking those verses which speak of Jesus's humanity and using those to override those which speak of his deity. But that is never how to go about getting to an understanding in Scripture. You have to take all into account.

And that is precisely what Trinitarians do. We don't let those verses about his humanity override those of his deity, nor do we let those verses which speak of his deity override those of his humanity. It all must make sense together, and only the doctrine of the Trinity does so.

And still is my advice, Try and believe Jesu in whom he said he was in God if that is possible at all for you?

You're simply not at all understanding the point I am making; you don't even understand your response in relation to what I was asking.

I fully agree that Jesus was in the Father, but Jesus also says the Father was in him (John 14:10, 11; 17:21)

I was a clear as Jesus was that he was not God but was Gods son, His child just as all are who is born of God. Born again as Jesus said he was and you should be.

Jesus was never born again. To state that he was, is to imply that he was a sinner in need of being born again. Yet, as Heb. 4:15 states, "we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin" (ESV).

Jesus is God's Son, but that means he is also God. John (John 5:18) and the Jewish leaders (John 5:18; 10:33, 36) understood this to be the case.

Can you give just one example of a son that is not of the exact same nature as his father?

Well, you can call Jesus a liar if you will but he was very clear that he could do nothing at all without his God who sent him.

Nowhere have even implied that Jesus is a liar. Please stick with addressing what I am actually saying, which this response of yours didn't even attempt.

And will copy and past them over over until someone actually read them in who Jesus said he was in God that he called Father of his Spirit of mind.

Copy and paste them all you want, but as I have stated more than once, you're taking them all out of context. Some of them even prove your position wrong, but you can't see it because you only want to see support for your position.

That you and others might actually someday read who Jesus said he was in god.

Jesus was in the Father and the Father was in him, being of the same nature and essence as the Father, just in human flesh. And, you're once again avoiding addressing my point.

No just accuse me of the same things Jesus was accused of as a blasphemer from your own rules for your god that you have made to be in your own image is all. We are innocent of those false charges.

No, you were dishonest, although maybe not intentionally; you may not have even understood what I was asking. Please re-read the question, which I've given twice, and try answering again.

And again Jesus was very clear he was not God and could do noting at all without his God that he obeyed, and prayed to for you to be like his God in John 17, I will keep answering with the quotes ofd Jesus in who he said he was in God that he called His God and my God.

No, Jesus was clear that he was God, but that he was God in human flesh. Notice that you deflected to avoid answering my question.

So, yet again I ask: If Jesus was God in human flesh, and if he was one divine person within the one being that is God, then how should we expect him to refer to the Father and speak to the Father, if the Father is another divine person within the one being that is God, while maintaining monotheism?

That is a hypothetical question. Please at least try and put some respectable effort in.

There is only one God of Love, the One Jesus was of and I am of.

The sad part is, you can't even see that your God cannot be a God of love.

The doctrine for a trinity, three persons, is only true for those who has not met the same God as Jesus met in Matt 3:16. They cant relate to the same One Jesus spoke of that was in himself.

Explain the doctrine of the Trinity. Give as succinct an answer as you can. You claimed you "know the trinity doctrine well" and "used to teach that doctrine for many years."

You keep asking these same questions over and over and I keep answering them over and over in who Jesus said he was in God that obviously you do not believe Jesus in who he said he was in the Father at all. Let alone that you are supposed to be perfect in the same Father that perfected him. Matt 5:48. from Jesus himself.

No, you don't answer them; that's the problem.

You might try reading my replies sometimes ,that would save you a lot of time asking the same things over and over.

That is a ridiculous statement. Would you like me to go back through these pages and point out all that you have left unaddressed and compare it to all that I have addressed? I have done this many times in the past, because many people seem to be completely unaware of how much they ignore those things too hard for their position to take into account.

Just let me know and I'll not only prove your claim wrong, I'll prove that you have ignored much of what I have posted, including most verses I have given.

Just admit that you do not believe Jesus in who he said he was in the father. That is exactly what you are insinuating, Jesus had it all wrong, and he was a god in spite of who he said he was in God.

No, I fully agree that Jesus said he was in the Father; I just believe Jesus when he said the Father was in him as well, and many other things as well, such as his claim to be God.

You accuse me of manipulating what Jesus said and all that I do is copy and past what he said of himself and his God who sent him. Get a life in Christ and stop all your immature antices.

There is nothing immature in what I have done or said. Simply copying and pasting Scripture and thinking you've said something is what those immature in the faith do, those who don't know how to properly study Scripture. You are ignoring most of what Jesus said and most of what the NT says. You even think Paul contradicts Jesus and don't believe his teachings. But Paul absolutely agrees with Jesus's teachings, including that Jesus is both truly man and truly God.

 

[Elijah7777]

Okay, then please stop posting stuff from AI.

I got a F in English in college. I had to take it over again. That is why I allow AI to handle the grammer for me. What I am talking about comes from Sepher Yetzirah.

I can appreciate that we JUST read the Bible and do NOTHING else. I did that until I read my Bible 5 times. But I do enjoy reading other books other than the Bible.

If you want to JUST read the Bible for yourself then I assume you do not go to church and trust the pastor to share with you what God is doing in his live.

My father was like that. He did not trust anyone to tell him what the Bible said. He also did not have time to figure it out for himself. Although he had a patient named Pete who was in his late teens. He had very severe Polio. He had the body of three year old and the head of an adult. The reason my dad took us to see his patient is that their attitude was amazing. From the time we walked into the door there were thanking my dad for bring us and making us feel so welcome in their home. Pete could not even change the pages of the book he was reading and TV was just getting started back then. But they were very happy people and they had a very good attitude. This I was told is what it means to be a Christian. To be happy and have a good attitude no matter what the adversity is you have to endure. My father never got around to teaching us that good comes out of everything in life. But he did teach us what it means to rejoice and have a good attitude.

Thanks for your kind advise on how you think I should live my life. I think I will pass for now.

 

[Elijah7777]

One of the most basic ways to understand a verse or passage in the Bible, just as with any other writing, is to take everything in context.

That is what they teach in Bible college. But that means you have to trust the translators. I prefer to study the Hebrew language to understand the meanings of the Hebrew words. We still look at context, but we do not allow the translators to do that for us.

Only Jesus adds to what Moses tells us. So I like to go back and see what Moses says.

 

[Free]

I got a F in English in college. I had to take it over again. That is why I allow AI to handle the grammer for me. What I am talking about comes from Sepher Yetzirah.

I can appreciate that we JUST read the Bible and do NOTHING else. I did that until I read my Bible 5 times. But I do enjoy reading other books other than the Bible.

If you want to JUST read the Bible for yourself then I assume you do not go to church and trust the pastor to share with you what God is doing in his live.

My father was like that. He did not trust anyone to tell him what the Bible said. He also did not have time to figure it out for himself. Although he had a patient named Pete who was in his late teens. He had very severe Polio. He had the body of three year old and the head of an adult. The reason my dad took us to see his patient is that their attitude was amazing. From the time we walked into the door there were thanking my dad for bring us and making us feel so welcome in their home. Pete could not even change the pages of the book he was reading and TV was just getting started back then. But they were very happy people and they had a very good attitude. This I was told is what it means to be a Christian. To be happy and have a good attitude no matter what the adversity is you have to endure. My father never got around to teaching us that good comes out of everything in life. But he did teach us what it means to rejoice and have a good attitude.

Thanks for your kind advise on how you think I should live my life. I think I will pass for now.

I'm not advising you on how I think you should live your life. You were making a claim in several threads, so I asked you questions for clarification, which you weren't answering. And when you finally did, a few posts above, you said AI told you. But what AI told you is not what the Bible says. Hence why I told you that AI gets things wrong, and suggested you should stick to studying the Bible for yourself and not getting your theology from AI.

That is what they teach in Bible college. But that means you have to trust the translators. I prefer to study the Hebrew language to understand the meanings of the Hebrew words. We still look at context, but we do not allow the translators to do that for us.

Only Jesus adds to what Moses tells us. So I like to go back and see what Moses says.

So then you're just shifting the trust from the translators to yourself and those who provide you with Hebrew helps, such as dictionaries, commentaries, lexicons, and whomever you learnt or are learning Hebrew from. I prefer to trust translators, which are typically large teams of experts, unless there is reason not to. And then use several versions. That gives me many teams of translators which to lean on. It makes no sense to not trust translators and then put one's trust only in oneself, when none of us has a perfect understanding, right?

 

[Elijah7777]

But what AI told you is not what the Bible says.

I understand what you are saying. Usually AI will mold itself to what we believe. Still AI can do very, very difficult math and I was surprised at how much this apophis astroid lines up with passover. Even to the point where it can be seen from Jerusalem at the exact time the veil was torn. Not only in 2029 but also in 2036. This is why I use the year 29 for the beginning the church and the year 2029 for the 2000 years anniversery or birthday of the church.

I am not making any claims as to HOW we go from the Church age to the Kingdom age. But the Bible is very clear that is exactly what is going to happen. It does look like there will be a 7 year tribulation period the way a lot of people believe.

MY wife is attending a church now that teaches Jesus comes for His church before the Tribulation and He returns with His Bride at the end of the 7-year tribulation. I am not saying I endorse that or believe that. I am just saying that there are people that do. Of course the church began 50 days later on the day of Pentacost in the year 29 AD.

We will have a new president at the time. The next U.S. president will take office on January 20, 2029. Apophis will pass Earth at a very close distance on April 13, 2029. Of course the church began 50 days later on the day of Pentacost in the year 29 AD.

 

[for_his_glory]

God is not oil, God is a Spirit, God is not a person, God is a Spirit, God is not a thing to be grasped but only lived, God is love and man is the place He resides in His kingdom. Luke 17:20-21, and either you are it or you are not and your god is three different oils instead.

There is only one spirit of God not three, no matter how you make your god three persons, it is not the One who is a Spirit of Love and man is the place that He resides, and Jesus Himself didnt know Him nor His heaven until He came to Jesus by the Spirit that He is and opens in Jesus who He is and all of His heaven in that man. Proven in Matt 3:16, that the trinity doctrine actually accuses that of being a lie and a man is a god instead of the One who came to that man and opened who He is in that man just as He does in us all who will let Him.

I never said God is three Spirits or three persons. You have no knowledge of the Trinity as you refuse all the scriptures we have given you.

 

[for_his_glory]

Oh' I know the trinity doctrine well, I used to teach that doctrine for many years until God came to me as He promises He will do in anyone who will let Him as we did and and opens in us who He is and all of His heaven in us.

Jesus was of a mans belief for a god as well and taught their beliefs for a god as rabbi for many years as well even from a young age of 12. And as with myself, he was accused of the same blasphemy that I am accuse of by the same religion minds who has made their gods what they would have Him be, as in the case to the trinity belief system, three persons as a god LOL. God is a Spirit not a person at all, LOL, and man is the place He resides, Luke 17:20-21, and not a person at all. He is a Spirit.

You cant know Him at all until He comes to you and opens who He is in you. Not even Jesus could escape that fact proven in Matt 3:16.

How do you understand all of these scriptures that reference Jesus being referred to as God:

John 1:1-14; John 10:30; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8, 9; 1 John 5:7, 8, 20; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17; 13:14; Isaiah 9:6; 44:6; Luke 1:35; Matthew 1:23; 28:19; John 14:16, 17; Genesis 1:1, 2 (cross reference John 1:1-14); 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 1:15-17; John 14:9-11; Philippians 2:5-8; Rev 1:8

 

[JLB]

They picked up stones because in carnality they didnt understand who Jesus was talking about.

They picked up stones with the intention of stoning Him to death, because He was saying that He Himself was I AM; the God of Abraham.

He plainly said Abraham had seen Him, so He had a pre-existence before He became flesh.

Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:57-59

 

[GaryMac]

You simply don't understand how to properly interpret Scripture, which explains why you believe error as you do. One of the most basic ways to understand a verse or passage in the Bible, just as with any other writing, is to take everything in context. But, you are removing verses from out of their context, and so end up completely distorting the revelation of who Jesus is.

Yes I really do understand what you are saying. Spiritually it is discerned by God Himself who is the Spirit of it and of my same mind as I am supposed to be. He is in me to interpret it for me. In that it leaves out the human factor of flesh that only sees it in carnality for a belief instead of the reality in who it says you would be if the same mind be in you who was in Christ Jesus who interpreted His will in Jesus by the Spirit He is proven in Matt 3:16. and as you stated, that is all out of context even though you read exactly what it says and happened.

I dont have to add or take way from any of it as you try and do, God is the answer to any of it, and He be in me and I be in Him as one. Something you have distanced yourself from.

God is my source for understanding, not you, not anyone else, and especially not myself but God who is in me gives me His will for understanding. Jesus said the same thing of himself. Should I copy and past to you again who Jesus said he was in the Father? That obviously goads your soul an provokes you to accusing Jesus of being all out of context, even though you read who he said he was in God.

And that is sometin that evidently you have not considered of any of it in who it says you would be in the Father if He be in you to interpret it for you. Even Jesus couldn't escape this fact and said so, that you say is all out of context. And I agree it is out your context in your carnal understanding that is without God to educate you as He did Jesus in Matt 3:16. Adam, Abraham, Moses, Mary, 120, by the same mind of. Which obviously is very foreign to your understand and you have your own ideas and laws to regulate who your god is for what he is and what he can and cannot be, nor do.

I agree with you totally, it all is completely out of context for who Jesus said he was in God for you, that is very obvious for you would actually have to believe Jesus in what he said of himself and his God that he called Father of His mind, Spirit. Same One who is my the Father of my mind, Spirit. You cant know Him at all without the same as Jesus had from Him. But you sure do try and make your god in your image instead.

 

[Free]

Yes I really do understand what you are saying.

No, you don't. I asked a question and you answered. And now you are contradicting that answer and failing to answer the question when I have asked it again, twice. You've avoided answering anything too hard for your position. You don't even understand that simply quoting Scripture most often proves nothing, as in this case. You've taken all those verses out of context by ignoring a majority of what the NT states regarding God and Jesus.

I have one more question, for which I would like a clear, succinct answer: Is Jesus only human or did he pre-exist prior to becoming human?

If you answer that, I'll address all the verses you posted, although I have answered some already.

 

[GaryMac]

No, you don't.

Sure I do. I know your thought before you even state them.

I asked a question and you answered. And now you are contradicting that answer and failing to answer the question when I have asked it again, twice.

Tell us what that contradiction was?

You've avoided answering anything too hard for your position.

That is because spiritually you dont understand the answers from lack of having Gods same Spirit of mind.

You don't even understand that simply quoting Scripture most often proves nothing, as in this case.

That is because you see it carnally and I see it spiritually. That is exactly why you do not understand the answers.

You've taken all those verses out of context by ignoring a majority of what the NT states regarding God and Jesus.

Hope is copying and pasting who Jesus said he was in the father taking it out of context? As I said I know your very thoughts, is only out of context because you are roller over Jesus own who you make him be to obey you in your own beliefs for a god of flesh.

I have one more question, for which I would like a clear, succinct answer: Is Jesus only human or did he pre-exist prior to becoming human?

And here is a clear and precise answer -- No man preexisted before they were conceived in Man, made of a woman for under the law.

And here is the part that you do not understand at all -- Christ, which is Gods anointing, His Spirit of mind, in man, preexisted before all me and Adam was the very first to be receive that anointing of his mind to become like God to know the difference from the carnality of flesh that you are stuck in and the release from that carnal mind that God anointed our mind with, which would be Christos in you. But you rather stick to the carnal man and see only a man sas a god instead of the God who was in that man and Jesus was very clear in that himself.

I even quoted to you who Jesus said he was in God, that you actually are calling him a liar, a blasphemer just as the Jews dod for the very same reason.

If you answer that, I'll address all the verses you posted, although I have answered some already.

No need, I already know that you will add into it your own ideas, your won beliefs fro a mind centered on flesh instead of having the same mind of God as Jesus received in Matt 3:216.

So now that I did answer your question, and as I said, I know your thoughts before you even reply to who Jesus said he was in God, and now you can edit in your own ways making you a god over who Jesus said he was in his God that he called Father and could do noting at all without his god who sent him, so that you may control him to obey you instead.

You dont even have to answer for I know what you will try and do to change who Jesus said he was in God for I know your very thoughts before you post them dont I?

Truth is you will not copy and past who Jesus said he was in God without changing it.

 

[GaryMac]

They picked up stones with the intention of stoning Him to death, because He was saying that He Himself was I AM; the God of Abraham.

Yes because they falsely accused him, Jesus was innocent of all their charges. Same one do the very same today falsely accuse him of being God. And do you know why? They didnt listen to Jesus just as they do not today and for their own ideas through beliefs for a god instead of receiving in them the very same God as Jesus received in himself in Matt 3:16 where man become equal with God who simply is Love, and if you actually receive from God that same love then you cannot be separated from the same in you, perfect even as your Father in heaven is Love. Matt 5:48. You would be in His same image just as Jesus became only father Matt 3:16 and not before. before he taught the laws for a beliefs about a god as rabbi for the Jews. After they had him killed only because they misunderstood him for who they should be in Love that his God is.

He plainly said Abraham had seen Him, so He had a pre-existence before He became flesh.

So did Adam when Asam became His flesh proven in Gen 3;22, so did Moses when he became Gods flesh by the spirit God is, read it Spirit that God is came to all of these, Mary, 120, Jesus did in Matt 3;16, so did I. The pre existence of God who simply is Love came to resides in us all who will. That pre existing One Who came to all of these starting in Adam has not come to you have --- Why? I know why!

Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”

All who has received from God the same One as Abraham did has seen Abraham in who he was in God. We are the every same.

Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

Amen and went on to say in Jpohn 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

people do not listen to Jesus do they? All they see is their preconceived ideas about him from a mind that is carnal instead.

Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:57-59

Just as they do at us all today who has received the very same from God as Jesus did, and even people here falsely accuse me of thinking I am God, or thinking I am Jesus, for the very same reasons in Jesus day they did of him. Jesus was very clear that he wasnt God LOL. But who is going to listen to who Jesus said he was in his God that he called Father and my Father -- You?

 

[Free]

Sure I do. I know your thought before you even state them.

You're omniscient? Isn't that blasphemous, since God alone is omniscient?

Tell us what that contradiction was?

The question I asked was: "If Jesus was God in human flesh, and if he was one divine person within the one being that is God, then how should we expect him to refer to the Father and speak to the Father while maintaining monotheism?" (HERE.)

You replied: "Just as was quoted of Jesus in the OP, read it for who he said he was in his God that he obeyed and prayed to." (HERE.)

Notice that you responded to my question with "Just as was quoted of Jesus in the OP." In other words, according to you, all the verses you provided are how we should expect Jesus to refer to and speak of the Father in order to maintain monotheism, even if Jesus is God in the flesh.

Yet, you have continued to argue against such an idea, claiming that those verses prove he wasn't God in the flesh. Hence, a contradiction in your position. Or, as I pointed out previously, you simply didn't understand the hypothetical question I asked.

Hope is copying and pasting who Jesus said he was in the father taking it out of context?

Because, as I have repeatedly stated, those ten verses are a very small fraction of what Jesus said, and an even much smaller fraction of the total biblical evidence. As such, you're ignoring the vast majority of evidence, which means you're ignoring relevant context.

As I said I know your very thoughts, is only out of context because you are roller over Jesus own who you make him be to obey you in your own beliefs for a god of flesh.

And here is a clear and precise answer -- No man preexisted before they were conceived in Man, made of a woman for under the law.

Okay. Now, do you see how one of the verses you provided contradicts what you said here?

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

Did Jesus come down from heaven as he said or didn't he? If he came down from heaven, when was that?

And here is the part that you do not understand at all -- Christ, which is Gods anointing, His Spirit of mind, in man, preexisted before all me and Adam was the very first to be receive that anointing of his mind to become like God to know the difference from the carnality of flesh that you are stuck in and the release from that carnal mind that God anointed our mind with, which would be Christos in you.

This is getting very close to New Thought beliefs, which are heresy. There is no "Christ anointing;" "Christ" means "anointed." The Christ is God's anointed, the Messiah, hence why it applies only to Jesus. Jesus is the one and only Messiah, the one and only Christ. The phrase, "the Christ," appears 51 times in the NT, and it always refers to Jesus:

Jhn 20:31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Act 3:20 that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus,

Act 5:42 And every day, in the temple and from house to house, they did not cease teaching and preaching that the Christ is Jesus.

Act 9:22 But Saul increased all the more in strength, and confounded the Jews who lived in Damascus by proving that Jesus was the Christ.

Act 17:3 explaining and proving that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus, whom I proclaim to you, is the Christ.”

Act 18:5 When Silas and Timothy arrived from Macedonia, Paul was occupied with the word, testifying to the Jews that the Christ was Jesus.

Act 18:28 for he powerfully refuted the Jews in public, showing by the Scriptures that the Christ was Jesus.

Act 26:23 that the Christ must suffer and that, by being the first to rise from the dead, he would proclaim light both to our people and to the Gentiles.”

1Jn 2:22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.

1Jn 5:1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.

(All ESV.)

Jesus is the Christ; there never was nor will be another. Just so that we're clear on that.

I even quoted to you who Jesus said he was in God, that you actually are calling him a liar, a blasphemer just as the Jews dod for the very same reason.

Not at all. I also quoted what Jesus said of himself, where he even claimed to be God, but you ignored that. It goes back to what I said above--you're taking everything out of context by proof-texting.

No need, I already know that you will add into it your own ideas, your won beliefs fro a mind centered on flesh instead of having the same mind of God as Jesus received in Matt 3:216.

So now that I did answer your question, and as I said, I know your thoughts before you even reply to who Jesus said he was in God, and now you can edit in your own ways making you a god over who Jesus said he was in his God that he called Father and could do noting at all without his god who sent him, so that you may control him to obey you instead.

You dont even have to answer for I know what you will try and do to change who Jesus said he was in God for I know your very thoughts before you post them dont I?

No, you don't know my thoughts. It's rather blasphemous to claim to.

Truth is you will not copy and past who Jesus said he was in God without changing it.

The irony is, you have changed who Jesus said he was by ignoring many other relevant things he said and what the apostles said about him.

 

[Elijah7777]

God alone is omniscient?

I think we are not suppose to add words to the Bible that are not there.

 

[Free]

I think we are not suppose to add words to the Bible that are not there.

Who added words?

 

[Elijah7777]

Who added words?

I have never seen the word omniscient in the Bible.

 

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I have never seen the word omniscient in the Bible.

Why does that matter?

 

[Elijah7777]

Why does that matter?

Because the Bible says not to do it.

Revelation 22:18–19 offers one of the Bible’s most solemn warnings:

“If anyone adds to these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book… and if anyone takes away… God shall take away his part out of the book of life…”

Deuteronomy 4:2,

“Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it…”

 

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Because the Bible says not to do it.

Revelation 22:18–19 offers one of the Bible’s most solemn warnings:

Deuteronomy 4:2,

Do you believe that God is omniscient? What about omnipotent or omnipresent? Do you believe God is rational? What about self-existent? Do you believe in the Trinity? What about penal substitution?

In another thread, just today, you said "It the beginning was the quark." That was in response to someone quoting Heb. 1:10. Where is "quark" in Scripture?

I'm also going to recommend and request that you don't put Scripture in the quote function. When you do that and people quote your post, those things inside of quotes don't show up.