If There's No Way To Disprove God, Then There Is A God?

[TonyChanYT]

Let proposition P1 = There is no God.

If there's no way to prove P1, then P1 is not falsifiable. That's one reason for agnosticism. It does not logically imply that ¬P1 is true.

 

[Free]

Let proposition P1 = There is no God.

If there's no way to prove P1, then P1 is not falsifiable. That's one reason for agnosticism. It does not logically imply that ¬P1 is true.

It's why agnosticism should be the preferred default position instead of atheism.

 

[onlysaved]

Logic doesn't matter, faith matters.

I suppose apologetics has some role in Christian life, but I don't know what it is.
Preach the Gospel let God do the convincing in people's heart.

Everyone can be convinced that they are a sinner and that they need a Savior.
We are sowers, seed will fall on all sorts of ground. All apologetics must lead to the Gospel.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Logic doesn't matter, faith matters.

I suppose apologetics has some role in Christian life, but I don't know what it is.

I don't either, yet I do recognize that not all men are the same, and some are oriented towards mental exercises that prove for and against. To me - as I stated in other threads - there are experiential "proofs," but they come as a result of spiritual intimacy with God, not scientific, logical or hypotheitical formulas.

 

[Free]

Logic doesn't matter, faith matters.

Logic is an aspect of God's nature, so in what way doesn't logic matter?

I suppose apologetics has some role in Christian life, but I don't know what it is.

It is to defend the faith--"to give a defense" is the basic meaning of apologia, and, according to Thayer's, it also means, "a reasoned statement or argument." So apologetics is that branch of theology that helps both believers and unbelievers to know that the Christian faith is rational and coherent, that it is reasonable.

1Pe 3:15 but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense [apologia] to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect, (ESV)

Here Peter commands all believers to be prepared to engage in apologetics, "to make a defense." The following shows that Paul engaged in apologetics as a matter of custom:

Act 17:2 And Paul went in, as was his custom, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Act 17:3 explaining and proving that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus, whom I proclaim to you, is the Christ.” (ESV)

The word apologia isn't used, but that is precisely what Paul was doing.

Preach the Gospel let God do the convincing in people's heart.

And God can and does use apologetics to clear the way for receiving the gospel, by doing away with arguments against Christian beliefs. It is all the more necessary in a pluralistic society, and every Christian should have some level of knowledge in apologetics, in my opinion.

Everyone can be convinced that they are a sinner and that they need a Savior.
We are sowers, seed will fall on all sorts of ground. All apologetics must lead to the Gospel.

Yes, all apologetics should ultimately point to the gospel.

 

[Hawkins]

Humans are fooled and blinded.

Humans are creatures of preparing the future. We find a job for tomorrow's living, join a pension for expenses after retirement, some government even force you to do so as it's an individual's responsibility. Future however is divided into two parts, the part before death we humans can speculate and prepare. The part after death cannot be speculated (by no means says that we don't need to prepare unless we baselessly assume that it doesn't exist), not even reachable by our science.

Science is experiment-based, humans however lack the ability to go outside of our own space to carry out experiments. That is to say, science is incapable of discovering even the simplest as long as it doesn't lie within our realm. Spirituality as an advocate however, from the very beginning of humanity is all about existences not lying within our own realm which science is completely futile about.

So it boils down to is it logical to assume things don't exist outside the reach of our incapable science, or we need effort to pursuit the preparation of a future humans are incapable to reach (Tree of Life and its continuity is hidden). While the only logical and viable way for humans to prepare such a future is through a God who knows this future. That's the true nature of what religion is. To a certain extent, religions are built upon the inability of human science which can only deal with substances lying inside of our own space.

That is to say, either we give up preparing an unknown future or pick up the only logical and viable way which is to find out a God who helps us in preparing such a future. In this perspective, the theist stance is logically the default. Finding a God is similar to finding a job, as an individual responsibility serving the purpose of preparing the future (speculatable or not to us).

 

[Who Me]

Logic doesn't matter, faith matters.

A strange idea given that hebrews talks about faith being certain about what we hope for and cannot see.
Peter about being prepared to give a reason for the hope that you have
Paul talks about in Corinthians of demolishing arguments and in acts he, in synagogues reasoned from scripture.

Christianity is far more than 'just believe' and if that is what your pastor teaches leave.

Please take a look at this link:-

Another exciting story of a famous scholar (Charles Murray) studying Christianity

You might remember how famous philosopher Larry Sanger, the co-founder of Wikipedia, recently investigated Christianity. He found the evidence good enough to make a commitment. I wrote about what a…

winteryknight.com

Its about an intelligent man studing Christianity and because of the arguments, the reasoning, the facts, becoming a Christian.

Investigate Lee Strobel and James warner Walace two atheists who reasoned their way to Christ.

 

[onlysaved]

A strange idea given that hebrews talks about faith being certain about what we hope for and cannot see.
Peter about being prepared to give a reason for the hope that you have
Paul talks about in Corinthians of demolishing arguments and in acts he, in synagogues reasoned from scripture.

Christianity is far more than 'just believe' and if that is what your pastor teaches leave.

Please take a look at this link:-

Another exciting story of a famous scholar (Charles Murray) studying Christianity

You might remember how famous philosopher Larry Sanger, the co-founder of Wikipedia, recently investigated Christianity. He found the evidence good enough to make a commitment. I wrote about what a…

winteryknight.com

Its about an intelligent man studing Christianity and because of the arguments, the reasoning, the facts, becoming a Christian.

Investigate Lee Strobel and James warner Walace two atheists who reasoned their way to Christ.

My point isn't that Christianity is illogical. My point is that the human heart is more than capable of overlooking the logic and denying obvious truth outright. People choose not to believe inspite of the evidence. They need faith, not more evidence.

 

[Who Me]

My point isn't that Christianity is illogical. My point is that the human heart is more than capable of overlooking the logic and denying obvious truth outright. People choose not to believe inspite of the evidence. They need faith, not more evidence.

Yes people because of their bias will overlook or dismiss logical evidence for God and yes they need faith to believe.

but someone who will not consider a reasoned argument for God is not going to ' just believe '.

If one is having a discussion with a nun believer part of that conversation is finding out what they do believe and challenging on the evidence thay have for that belief.

One converstion is not going to change there mind, but repeated discussions where the illogicality of their faith, for unbelief is faith, is shown will either cause them to think or to stop talking with you.