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If you think that Mary is a perpetual virgin and wish to wager on it, I am taking wagers here

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TonyChanYT

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This OP is NOT about whether Mary is a perpetual virgin or not. I assume that you think she is. Please don't argue about that here. This thread is about wagering on what you believe/think.

Let proposition P1 = Mary remained a virgin till she died.
P2 = Mary did not remain a virgin till she died.

Between 0 and 10, how much weight do you put on each of the above propositions? The stronger your belief in a proposition, the higher the weight.

Are you willing to wager based on your weighting scheme?

This is not a lotto/gambling bet. This is a wager to mathematically and scientifically measure the strength of your belief. Put money where your mouth is. If you are interested in finding out the strength of your belief mathematically, then tell me those two weights. See Subjective (Bayesian) Probability.

You can say you are 100% sure the earth is flat. Words are cheap unless you are willing to wager on it.
 
Carry_Your_Name said:
How come that Jesus has other siblings if Mary is a perpetual virgin? "Is this not the carpenter, the Son of Mary, and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And are not His sisters here with us?" (Mk. 6:3)
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Jacob had twelve sons, all are brothers siblings that must mean that they had the same mother, but they had four mothers
Leah had 6
Leah’s maid servant had 2
Rachel had 2
Rachel’s maid servant had 2
It is possible for Jesus to have siblings that are not the children of Mary!

Scripture, the church fathers, dogma, decrees of apostolic council with the authority of Christ, Luther, Calvin, other so-called reformers all say Mary is the immaculate mother of God and ever virgin!
Thanks
 
This is not a lotto/gambling bet. This is a wager to mathematically and scientifically measure the strength of your belief. Put money where your mouth is. If you are interested in finding out the strength of your belief mathematically, then tell me those two weights. See Subjective (Bayesian) Probability.

You can say you are 100% sure the earth is flat. Words are cheap unless you are willing to wager on it.
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Uh...what? Words are cheap unless you are willing to wager on it. But this is not a lotto/gambling bet. Doesn't that mean this whole thread is nothing but cheap words?
 
1pet2_9 said:
Uh...what? Words are cheap unless you are willing to wager on it. But this is not a lotto/gambling bet. Doesn't that mean this whole thread is nothing but cheap words?
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I reckon so!

Hand me down my can a beans!
 
1pet2_9 said:
Uh...what? Words are cheap unless you are willing to wager on it. But this is not a lotto/gambling bet. Doesn't that mean this whole thread is nothing but cheap words?
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Only if you don't bet on it. I am taking bets.

Between 0 and 10, how much weight do you put on each of the above propositions? The stronger your belief in a proposition, the higher the weight.
 
TonyChanYT said:
Only if you don't bet on it. I am taking bets.

Between 0 and 10, how much weight do you put on each of the above propositions? The stronger your belief in a proposition, the higher the weight.
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P1 (10)
P2 (0)
 
Hey All,
Why does anyone care about this?
What does it matter to you or me if Mary had other children?
Why is this topic so important?

Don't we have anything better to discuss?

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz
 
Josef said:
Hey All,
Why does anyone care about this?
What does it matter to you or me if Mary had other children?
Why is this topic so important?

Don't we have anything better to discuss?

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz
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Jesus Christ is not important?

What we say about Mary affects Christ!

The Lord is with her! Can’t have Christmas without Mary!
Round Yon Virgin, mother and child! Lk 1:28 Matt 2:11

Example:

Council Of Ephesus – 431 A.D.

If anyone does not confess that Emmanuel is God in truth, and therefore that the holy virgin is the mother of God (for she bore in a fleshly way the Word of God become flesh) let him be anathema.

Only a God can be born of a virgin-mother!

And He is our brother so Mary is our spiritual mother as He confirms in Matt 19:26

Thanks
 
Luther, Calvin, Wesley bet a million on the perpetual virginity also!

P1 (10)
P2 (0)

Martin Luther

It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a virgin. … Christ, we believe, came forth from a womb left perfectly intact. (Weimer’s The Works of Luther, English translation by Pelikan, Concordia, St. Louis, v. 11, pp. 319-320; v. 6. p. 510.)

Note: an article of faith is required for salvation.

John Calvin

(On the Heretic Helvidius) Helvidius displayed excessive ignorance in concluding that Mary must have had many sons, because Christ’s “brothers” are sometimes mentioned. (Harmony of Matthew, Mark and Luke, sec. 39 [Geneva, 1562], vol. 2 / From Calvin’s Commentaries, translated by William Pringle, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1949, p.215; on Matthew 13:55)

[On Matt 1:25:] The inference he [Helvidius] drew from it was, that Mary remained a virgin no longer than till her first birth, and that afterwards she had other children by her husband . . . No just and well-grounded inference can be drawn from these words . . . as to what took place after the birth of Christ. He is called “first-born”; but it is for the sole purpose of informing us that he was born of a virgin . . . What took place afterwards the historian does not inform us . . . No man will obstinately keep up the argument, except from an extreme fondness for disputation. (Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 107)

Under the word “brethren” the Hebrews include all cousins and other relations, whatever may be the degree of affinity. (Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 283 / Commentary on John, [7:3])

John Wesley

‘I believe that He [Jesus] was made man, joining the human nature with the divine in one person; being conceived by the singular operation of the Holy Ghost, and born of the blessed Virgin Mary, who, as well after as before she brought Him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin’ (‘Letter to a Roman Catholic’, The Works of Rev. John Wesley, vol 10, p. 81).
 
donadams said:
Luther, Calvin, Wesley bet a million on the perpetual virginity also!
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Look these are your weights on P1 and P2. I am taking these odds of yours.

You put a million USD on P1 to a pool.
I put 0 USD on P2 to the pool.

Winner takes all. Agree?

Please stay focused on the bet if you are able. If you can't even follow through with these words of yours, why should I pay attention to any more words that come out of your mouth?
 
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donadams said:
Jesus Christ is not important?

What we say about Mary affects Christ!

The Lord is with her! Can’t have Christmas without Mary!
Round Yon Virgin, mother and child! Lk 1:28 Matt 2:11

Example:

Council Of Ephesus – 431 A.D.

If anyone does not confess that Emmanuel is God in truth, and therefore that the holy virgin is the mother of God (for she bore in a fleshly way the Word of God become flesh) let him be anathema.

Only a God can be born of a virgin-mother!

And He is our brother so Mary is our spiritual mother as He confirms in Matt 19:26

Thanks
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God does not have a mother. He is the beginning and the end.

She was Jesus' earthly mother, that was not sinless.
 
donadams said:
Jacob had twelve sons, all are brothers siblings that must mean that they had the same mother, but they had four mothers
Leah had 6
Leah’s maid servant had 2
Rachel had 2
Rachel’s maid servant had 2
It is possible for Jesus to have siblings that are not the children of Mary!

Scripture, the church fathers, dogma, decrees of apostolic council with the authority of Christ, Luther, Calvin, other so-called reformers all say Mary is the immaculate mother of God and ever virgin!
Thanks
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This is all wild speculation. Joseph had no other wives. No Scripture ever stated or implied such a possibility.
 
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